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Eating meat, veggie dp does not know

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Spicysashimi · 11/01/2023 13:34

My dp is veggie and early on I also did the same as it’s a big thing for him. I still sometimes eat good meat at meals out but obviously don’t tell him. My sister knows but no-one else. I’m starting to feel quite guilty about it, how wrong actually is it?!

OP posts:
baxtersm · 11/01/2023 14:03

Tempone · 11/01/2023 13:39

Pam from gavin and Stacey? Is that you? Oh my christ!

First thing i thought of too 😂😂😂

AffIt · 11/01/2023 14:03

Believ · 11/01/2023 13:53

It really is that simple. Someone believing in eating meat or not is very different to someone doing something illegal like taking drugs. Its not a like for like comparison.

I was vegetarian for 20+ years and couldn't care less what anyone else done. It's up to them. Just like being vegetarian was up to me.

Then we shall have to agree to disagree.

Clearly, drug-taking is not completely analogous to dietary choices, but my point is that we are all allowed to decide what we find acceptable and what we do not.

If this man doesn't want to eat meat or to be in a relationship with people who do eat meat, he's perfectly entitled to do that. Presumably he has been completely open and upfront about this since he and the OP met.

By lying to him (whether blatantly or by omission), the OP is the one in the wrong here.

Believ · 11/01/2023 14:04

@ScramblePud none of what you list compares to someone breaking up with someone because they eat meat. The problem is with him, not the OP.

DdraigGoch · 11/01/2023 14:04

Sparklfairy · 11/01/2023 13:44

early on I also did the same as it’s a big thing for him

What do you mean by this? Did he make a fuss about you being a meat eater so you fell in line?

I've dated vegetarians that aren't bothered if I eat meat or not with no issue. One first date was a complete drama llama about meat eaters though. Making a big fuss, squirming, pulling faces just TALKING about it, said the thought made him feel sick, 'joking' he'd hate to sit across from me eating a steak etc etc. Then said 'it's really gross to kiss someone that's just eaten meat'.

Then why go on a date with someone who you knew wasn't vegetarian unless you're on some weird covert mission to convert people?! Hmm

"Waiter, you know that salad I ordered? Is it too late to change it for a 6oz steak, blue rare?"

ClawedButler · 11/01/2023 14:04

Was vegetarian for 30+ years and now vegan for 5 years - to me it is a very personal choice. I'd be delighted if more people went vegan, but it is not my place to dictate to anyone else what they should or should not eat. Same as none of us can insist that other people buy/don't buy certain products, or certain brands, do/do not support certain charities etc.. Everyone does something that another person might passionately disagree with.

I think the issues are that he has put conditions on the relationship, and you are lying. Did you eat meat when you first got together? So the condition was something that was imposed later (albeit early on, as you say)? That's a bait and switch, imo. If he'd said, "I'm sorry, I don't date meat-eaters" right from the word go, that would be different - a lot of people might think he was a bit bonkers, but he's allowed to have any dating criteria he wants. If he's started dating you, and then said "If this is to continue you will have to be vegetarian" and you've accepted that, it is wrong of you to lie about it. He gave you a choice, which you took.

Personally I think he sounds like a controlling twat who thinks he's bloody perfect

ScramblePud · 11/01/2023 14:05

Believ · 11/01/2023 14:04

@ScramblePud none of what you list compares to someone breaking up with someone because they eat meat. The problem is with him, not the OP.

Of course it compares. 😂If you think it's acceptable to lie to someone to trick them into being with you then we have very, very, very different understandings of what a "problem" is in a relationship.

Believ · 11/01/2023 14:06

@AffIt I didn't say she's not in the wrong for lying, I said the problem is with him not the OP. It's ridiculous to feel like you have to lie about eating meat. If its a deal breaker for him then they are not compatible and he loses what could possibly be the best person to ever come into his life....because she eats meat! Its ridiculous.

Emmamoo89 · 11/01/2023 14:06

You're doing nothing wrong. Keep eating meat. I could never not eat it and couldn't date someone who was vegan or veggie. Thankfully partner eats meat.

butterpuffed · 11/01/2023 14:07

Do you hide packets of meat under other food in the fridge ?
Do you stuff meat packaging under other rubbish in your bin ?
Do you worry that he'll notice any meaty smears left on plates not yet washed ?
Do you think he may notice the smell of meat in your kitchen etc ?

If you do, it'll last for whenever you're with him , be that a year or forever . Could you live with that ? I couldn't .

NeonEyes · 11/01/2023 14:08

Believ · 11/01/2023 13:53

It really is that simple. Someone believing in eating meat or not is very different to someone doing something illegal like taking drugs. Its not a like for like comparison.

I was vegetarian for 20+ years and couldn't care less what anyone else done. It's up to them. Just like being vegetarian was up to me.

It is simple for some people. Some people believe it’s absolutely wrong and just because it’s not illegal doesn’t mean it’s not.

She’s free to choose to eat meat. But the partner has to also be free to choose to end the relationship if he chooses. Sometimes people just aren’t suited.

ScramblePud · 11/01/2023 14:08

Believ · 11/01/2023 14:06

@AffIt I didn't say she's not in the wrong for lying, I said the problem is with him not the OP. It's ridiculous to feel like you have to lie about eating meat. If its a deal breaker for him then they are not compatible and he loses what could possibly be the best person to ever come into his life....because she eats meat! Its ridiculous.

Even if it's ridiculous, it's his choice to make. You don't get to override someone else's choice on who they date because you think their choice is ridiculous. You said that the problem is not with the OP - it very much is if she thinks it's acceptable to lie to get someone to date her.

ilovesooty · 11/01/2023 14:08

Tinkerbyebye · 11/01/2023 13:55

he has chosen to be veggie, you are choosing to be mainly veggie, as an adult it’s your choice

up to you if you tell him it not

If I were him I'd break up with the OP anyway if I discovered she'd been lying.

If he doesn't want to date someone who eats meat that's his prerogative.

The OP knows what his line is.

Believ · 11/01/2023 14:09

@ScramblePud where did I say its acceptable to lie about it? It's absolutely ridiculous to feel like you have to lie about eating meat. So don't put words in my mouth thanks 🤣

ScramblePud · 11/01/2023 14:09

Emmamoo89 · 11/01/2023 14:06

You're doing nothing wrong. Keep eating meat. I could never not eat it and couldn't date someone who was vegan or veggie. Thankfully partner eats meat.

How would you feel if your partner was vegan but told you that they eat meat because they knew you'd never date a vegan?

ScramblePud · 11/01/2023 14:09

Believ · 11/01/2023 14:09

@ScramblePud where did I say its acceptable to lie about it? It's absolutely ridiculous to feel like you have to lie about eating meat. So don't put words in my mouth thanks 🤣

You said the problem is not with the OP. Those were your words.

Devoutspoken · 11/01/2023 14:10

Is his lifestyle so spotless, he can judge others so harshly

foremostwilly · 11/01/2023 14:10

Survey99 · 11/01/2023 14:02

If you had children in the future will he disown them too if they have a McDs with their friends? If he finds out you have been lying will he dump you?

Honestly? He is being a controlling veggie weirdo, stand up for yourself. It is not unreasonable to choose to eat meat when out or even have meat for just yourself at home. If he dumps you for it then you've missed a bullet.

I agree. If ever anyone merited a slap with a wet fish, he does.

Believ · 11/01/2023 14:11

ScramblePud · 11/01/2023 14:09

You said the problem is not with the OP. Those were your words.

So like I say, where did I say its acceptable to lie? The problem is with him, and not the OP. That doesn't mean she should lie. They are clearly not compatible if this is a dealbreaker to him.

Emmamoo89 · 11/01/2023 14:11

ScramblePud · 11/01/2023 14:09

How would you feel if your partner was vegan but told you that they eat meat because they knew you'd never date a vegan?

Wouldn't happen. Because I wouldn't date a vegan. Yeah she shouldn't lie and just tell him. If he's not happy with it then she needs to leave him. No one just dicate what you should or shouldn't do

ScramblePud · 11/01/2023 14:13

Emmamoo89 · 11/01/2023 14:11

Wouldn't happen. Because I wouldn't date a vegan. Yeah she shouldn't lie and just tell him. If he's not happy with it then she needs to leave him. No one just dicate what you should or shouldn't do

How would you know they aren't a vegan though? If your DP was eating meal alternatives and you thought they were eating meat and they said they were eating meat and talking about eating meat etc, you'd be dating a vegan and thought you were dating a meat-eater.

No one just dicate what you should or shouldn't do
You've literally just said you'd never date a vegan but that no one should dictate what someone should or shouldn't do - which is it?

ScramblePud · 11/01/2023 14:14

Believ · 11/01/2023 14:11

So like I say, where did I say its acceptable to lie? The problem is with him, and not the OP. That doesn't mean she should lie. They are clearly not compatible if this is a dealbreaker to him.

Clearly there's some kind of confusion. To me, if you've said repeatedly that the problem isn't with OP, you're saying that her behaviour is acceptable. What else did you mean by that?

Redbushteaforme · 11/01/2023 14:15

I don't think you are wrong for eating meat because that is your choice. But you are definitely wrong for making your partner think that you are still vegetarian.

I've been a strict vegetarian since I was 12. When I met DP he ate meat but he decided to go vegetarian like me when we started going out. One of the reasons was that the thought of kissing someone who ate meat gave me the complete ick! (It still does.) Another practical reason was that I would want any meat cooking done in our home to use different pans, chopping boards etc.

If you are eating meat, you need to be honest with your partner and discuss the implications.

Emmamoo89 · 11/01/2023 14:15

ScramblePud · 11/01/2023 14:13

How would you know they aren't a vegan though? If your DP was eating meal alternatives and you thought they were eating meat and they said they were eating meat and talking about eating meat etc, you'd be dating a vegan and thought you were dating a meat-eater.

No one just dicate what you should or shouldn't do
You've literally just said you'd never date a vegan but that no one should dictate what someone should or shouldn't do - which is it?

I know my partner is a meat eater. Yeah well if she wants to eat meat she can. He can't force her not to. Its her choice and should accept it.

HushLittleBabyDontYouCry · 11/01/2023 14:16

Stop lying op.

It's actually a bit controlling and abusive that you've taken away your partner's choice to date who they want by lying about who you are.

I know if you were lying about your job, sex or porn habits, smoking etc people would be lining up to tell you you were bang out of order.

The only reason you are getting anyone condoning your behaviour is because people hate vegans so much it brings out the hypocrite in them.

EnjoythemoneyJane · 11/01/2023 14:20

The issue isn't that you're eating meat, it's that you're lying to him because you don't want him to be able to make an honest assessment of whether he wants to be with you. He doesn't want to be with you - he wants to be with who you're pretending to be.

@ScramblePud is dead right. All the responses of 'how dare he', 'he's controlling', etc are missing the point. This isn't something he's sprung on the OP all of a sudden and pressured her to fall in line with, he was clear about his beliefs from the beginning and clear about the fact that this is so important to him it's a dealbreaker.

Lying to your partner when you know you've crossed what, for them, is a hard line is no basis for a long-term relationship - the subject of the hard line is irrelevant. And the fact OP feels guilty about it signifies what a big deal it actually is for both of them.

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