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To not be able to stop thinking about the Idaho murder case

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Rickandmortified100 · 07/01/2023 14:45

Is anyone else following this case? It’s absolutely horrible and has really scared me to the point of locking my bedroom door when I sleep every night! The more that comes out in the news, the more bizarre and confusing the case seems to get too. So scary to think what people are capable of 😞

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FOJN · 09/01/2023 23:06

Lawyer You Know on YouTube is covering this case in detail.

Tescoland · 09/01/2023 23:11

NotAnotherBathBomb · 09/01/2023 22:43

Have we had this link yet to this fact?

Do you really think that in this day and age he wouldn’t check his victim’s social media?

FOJN · 09/01/2023 23:15

Do you really think that in this day and age he wouldn’t check his victim’s social media?

I think we can all agree it's highly likely that he did but the query was about whether it had been confirmed as fact by a credible source.

FartOutLoudDay · 10/01/2023 00:10

Someo · 09/01/2023 22:53

Do we know when he will next be in court? It will be an interesting case to watch unfold.

I hope the families get justice. Do they have the death penalty in Idaho?

Yes, they do

Domino20 · 10/01/2023 00:20

RosaGallica · 07/01/2023 17:00

My thought when I saw the thread title was why Idaho? Why follow the US? Why not this one, that has been keeping me awake? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-64038743

Anyone who doesn’t know what some men are capable of lives on another planet.

Fuuuuck

Namechangefail1234 · 10/01/2023 02:45

I'm quite obsessed with following the case details, but as someone who has been a victim of violent assault and burglary whilst in my bed- both woke me, the whole case has triggered my anxiety and CPTSD symptoms. Following the information as it comes out makes me feel somewhat safer.
Horrific crime, much of it doesn't make sense.
I hope that people leave the surviving victim alone. No one knows how they would react themselves in that situation. She apparently has PTSD from an incident in her childhood. Living with a similar condition, I understand that your panic senses are going off all rhe time, and you can spend much of the time feeling and thinking a certain type of way, then much of the time trying to talk yourself out of thinking what you think is going on isn't a huge over reaction.

I think she probably locked herself in her room and worked through in her mind what she had seen, heard and de escalated her concerns until she went to sleep, then woke up and realised her initial instincts were right.That guilt will probably never leave her

Rickandmortified100 · 10/01/2023 04:47

HiHoHiHohoho · 09/01/2023 12:26

@Rickandmortified100 I think you're treading on very dangerous ground here. The trouble is it is ALWAYS women who are told how to minimise risk. There have been several high profile cases of young women being murdered simply walking home at night. If your argument is that we should take note of what happens around us and change our behaviour accordingly, then to follow your argument that means we shouldn't go out at night? There have also been cases recently in Manchester and Birmingham where 2 young men were fatally stabbed. But despite these awful tragedies I don't see any expectation anywhere for men to change their behaviour. I wish you would calm down and stop using so many capitals and !!!!. This isn't a thread derailment at all it is a valid discussion as it is integral to the bigger picture. And you are sadly deluded if @AfricanAmericanFriday is not victim blaming in her 2 posts which you excuse as being clumsily worded. I think her words were very intentional and absolutely dripping with contempt for these young women. Just one ( of many examples) : why did she have to post pictures of herself half naked in a bikini? That tells you everything right there.
Please don't try and police threads and try to speak for everyone on it ( or even literally everyone in the past re: the hitchhiking example) as you've done a few times now. That's not how it works on here.

Please stop being boring and repeating yourself. Go away if you don’t want to discuss the case. Stop derailing threads, it’s extremely tedious and frustrating. We get it, you think you’re great and need to talk down to everyone to show your superiority. Cool 👍 I’m not engaging with you anymore because you’re literally distracting from the topic. Bye.

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Rickandmortified100 · 10/01/2023 04:54

Gosh. Yeah. I’d not considered how big of a space the cell phone tower covers? If it’s a huge space then this will surely rather weaken the case against him. It’s not especially unusual or unexplainable to go for long drives later at night so I suppose he could explain that part away fairly easily as his school was not particularly far away. Actually, now you mention it, I have no idea how big of a space cell phone towers do cover? I always seem them mentioned on crime documentaries but never thought to check that. Off for a little Google ! If it is a big area then it would weaken the case against him. Especially as the town is a known uni/party town. It’s not a crazy idea that he might go for drives late at night to meet some people in a pub/go for a drink/try to chat up some girls or basically anything?

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Rickandmortified100 · 10/01/2023 05:07

Did anyone see the weird theory about Dylan being involved because she was photographed posing in front of the weird truck that was also caught on CCTV in the area at the same time as the murders?

It’s like one of those black trucks with massive wheels that I have only ever seen in the US but aren’t apparently very common (hence why everyone online is like… ‘What a coincidence that this truck was linked to the crime and she’s posing next to an almost identical one in a photo’).

It seems to be fuelling the ‘Dylan is involved’ brigade.

It seems very odd to me because 1) it’s a weird, kind of obnoxious car. I might take a photo with it too if I saw one if was an avid social media poster. Like ironically. So it doesn’t really mean that she’s connected to it? And 2) the truck isn’t even officially connected to the crime, although some people seem to be saying that it might be and that someone else was involved, which backs up why BK asked whether anyone else had been arrested.

Weird.

Maybe the age of true crime podcasts and documentaries is making everyone think that they can solve crimes, probably just making the case way harder for the police instead of helping.

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Rickandmortified100 · 10/01/2023 05:15

Apologies - the social media thing is unverified but there is a page with his name following both Kaylee and Maddie. It’s yet to be verified if it’s actually THE Bryan Koherger’s profile of a different one but it was created before the murder. Sorry the link is a weird sports paper but I’m currently rushing out to work and it was the first that popped up but summarises what I mean. (This isn’t where I read it the first time but have just had a quick Google to find it again.) if anyone has time to find a better link please do, otherwise I’ll look into it after work

thesportsgrail.com/bryan-kohberger-was-following-university-of-idaho-murders-victims-on-instagram/

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ImprobablePuffin · 10/01/2023 08:48

The whole situation is just horrific. I can never get my head around how someone can physically carry out those actions on other humans (and animals for that matter)

I haven't listened to the podcast but I think I will just to see if any sense can be made of these senseless murders.

Tescoland · 10/01/2023 09:12

Apparently the house was a well known party house where there were wild parties that disturbed the neighbours and was also a place for exchanging drugs. Kohberger is (was?) a heroin addict, maybe that’s a possible link.

NotAnotherBathBomb · 10/01/2023 09:26

I think she probably locked herself in her room and worked through in her mind what she had seen, heard and de escalated her concerns until she went to sleep, then woke up and realised her initial instincts were right.That guilt will probably never leave her

This makes a lot of sense. A good perspective

FartOutLoudDay · 10/01/2023 09:43

Heroin isn’t exactly a party drug 😄but it wouldn’t be surprising if there was ecstasy, amphetamines and psychedelics circulating around a university town. A couple of people have suggested BK’s frequent visits to the vicinity may have been to buy or sell drugs (if it wasn’t to stalk the occupants).

BudgeUpAnne · 10/01/2023 11:03

Rickandmortified100 · 10/01/2023 05:15

Apologies - the social media thing is unverified but there is a page with his name following both Kaylee and Maddie. It’s yet to be verified if it’s actually THE Bryan Koherger’s profile of a different one but it was created before the murder. Sorry the link is a weird sports paper but I’m currently rushing out to work and it was the first that popped up but summarises what I mean. (This isn’t where I read it the first time but have just had a quick Google to find it again.) if anyone has time to find a better link please do, otherwise I’ll look into it after work

thesportsgrail.com/bryan-kohberger-was-following-university-of-idaho-murders-victims-on-instagram/

Unlikely to be him, loads of sickos created fake profiles after his arrest was announced and started following the victims' pages

BudgeUpAnne · 10/01/2023 11:11

The audio has already been debunked by the original poster on tiktok who confirmed that they uploaded audio from their ring doorbell only to demonstrate how much sound can be picked up.

However most people seem to keep thinking it's legit, which is dangerous as it's contributing to the harassment towards DM because theres no way she wouldn't have those loud screams by "Ethan"

GorgeousLadyofWrestling · 10/01/2023 11:24

To your point @BudgeUpAnne it’s also horrific for the families to know of these recordings existence being purported as real, and thinking they can hear their child’s last moments. It just doesn’t bear thinking about.

justgettingthroughtheday · 10/01/2023 12:25

From some of what I have read online Ethan may have known Brian and may therefore have been the target.
Equally Kaylee was the most badly attacked so it could equally have been she who was she intended target.
Somehow I struggle to believe he went into that house intending to kill all four victims. More that circumstances he found within the house led him to kill more people to cover his crimes.

If he was intending on killing all four victims why not the final two housemates. He had been stalking the house. He would have known that they lived there. So why not kill Bethany and Dylan?

I think the most likely explanation is he went looking for Kaylee. Found her with Maddie and killed them both. Then came downstairs to be disturbed by Xana possibly rousing Ethan too. And so he killed them also.
The layout of the house would support this I think. It would also mean that He wouldn't necessarily have seen Dylan in her doorway particularly if there was no lights on in her room or the living area but lights on in the kitchen? That would have put Brian in semi light but Dylan virtually invisible.

justgettingthroughtheday · 10/01/2023 12:27

Also just because a victim was found in bed wouldn't necessarily mean that they were killed there. I think the idea that he killed two women in a single bed is unlikely.

BudgeUpAnne · 10/01/2023 12:31

justgettingthroughtheday · 10/01/2023 12:27

Also just because a victim was found in bed wouldn't necessarily mean that they were killed there. I think the idea that he killed two women in a single bed is unlikely.

I think he killed them where they were found them. Otherwise there'd be a trail of blood suggesting otherwise

GorgeousLadyofWrestling · 10/01/2023 12:41

The term single bed doesn’t mean what we mean by single. They mean a bed for a solo person. Their name for a single bed is a twin. If you have seen the virtual tour of the house, it was definitely a double bed.

From the layout, it’s reasonable to think he came down the third floor stairs and bumped into/ came across Xana going back or forth to her bedroom/ kitchen with her food - their room is down a longer corridor adjacent to the kitchen and she may well have disturbed/ surprised him as he was intending to leave. And then she tries to get to her room and Ethan but doesn’t make it, which would explain why she was found in the doorway. It’s horrifying to think about - she must have been terrified. The murderer is an absolute monster.

justgettingthroughtheday · 10/01/2023 12:45

@BudgeUpAnne the crime scene was described early on as a bloody mess! It's certainly possible that people were moved. They may not have been but the police will know!

@GorgeousLadyofWrestling even in a double bed (or indeed any sized bed) it would be pretty difficult to kill two people without waking the other.

GorgeousLadyofWrestling · 10/01/2023 12:56

@justgettingthroughtheday agreed. I just can’t imagine how it happened. It looks like in both Xana and Madison’s rooms, their beds were pushed against one wall as well so he would have had to lean over. I can’t comprehend it at all.

pelargoniums · 10/01/2023 12:56

You don’t have to kill one person without waking the other, you just have to incapacitate one, then the other, then kill them. (I hate that I’ve thought about this.) Even the first wound could be the fatal one, or enough that they can’t fight back while he moves onto the other.

Ravenrobin309 · 10/01/2023 13:00

Anyone thoughts on why they are sealing the search warrant saying it will cause a threat to law enforcement? And end the investigation?

Its going to be released march 1st which will be before the trial so it can't be to do with that.

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