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To not be able to stop thinking about the Idaho murder case

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Rickandmortified100 · 07/01/2023 14:45

Is anyone else following this case? It’s absolutely horrible and has really scared me to the point of locking my bedroom door when I sleep every night! The more that comes out in the news, the more bizarre and confusing the case seems to get too. So scary to think what people are capable of 😞

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FartOutLoudDay · 09/01/2023 13:16

Just to say the longer audio that’s been doing the rounds is unverified and I’ve seen it said the original source posted it as an example of what a door camera can pick up, not as a recording of what actually happened. We really won’t know much more until the trial which is a long way off, unless they start releasing 911 tapes and other details - but there is a gagging order in place so that seems unlikely unless the judge lifts it between now and trial. So
worth being careful talking about things like the audio as if they are fact. Not least because what’s said on the recording is unintelligible, despite what TikTok might have to say about it.

FOJN · 09/01/2023 13:36

Because she was a witness, especially if she recognised him.

But why did he not kill Dylan too? The affidavit describes him walking straight towards her, which makes sense if he was returning from Xana's room to escape via the kitchen. If there was enough light for her to see he had bushy eyebrows then it would be almost impossible for him not to see her door was open, he would have been looking directly at her bedroom door as he walked across the lounge. It makes no sense to stay at the crime scene longer than necessary particularly when you know there are other people in the house who could raise the alarm.

AfricanAmericanFriday · 09/01/2023 14:22

HiHoHiHohoho · 09/01/2023 12:26

@Rickandmortified100 I think you're treading on very dangerous ground here. The trouble is it is ALWAYS women who are told how to minimise risk. There have been several high profile cases of young women being murdered simply walking home at night. If your argument is that we should take note of what happens around us and change our behaviour accordingly, then to follow your argument that means we shouldn't go out at night? There have also been cases recently in Manchester and Birmingham where 2 young men were fatally stabbed. But despite these awful tragedies I don't see any expectation anywhere for men to change their behaviour. I wish you would calm down and stop using so many capitals and !!!!. This isn't a thread derailment at all it is a valid discussion as it is integral to the bigger picture. And you are sadly deluded if @AfricanAmericanFriday is not victim blaming in her 2 posts which you excuse as being clumsily worded. I think her words were very intentional and absolutely dripping with contempt for these young women. Just one ( of many examples) : why did she have to post pictures of herself half naked in a bikini? That tells you everything right there.
Please don't try and police threads and try to speak for everyone on it ( or even literally everyone in the past re: the hitchhiking example) as you've done a few times now. That's not how it works on here.

I was NOT victim blaming and the intelligent ones already understand this. Seems like you don’t belong to that group. You are the one who keeps chewing on that bone like a bad, angry dog and not letting it go.
How is it victim blaming to say we should be more cautious? I would tell my daughter the same advice: do not share too much on social media, do not get drunk in the company of strange men bla bla…if something bad still happens to her and she is taken advantage of..am I going to blame her? No. I’m just teaching her to be cautious because we live among human animals who often can’t control their lowly instincts and urges.

We all want men to change their behaviour. But is it realistic to expect every single man on the planet to change their behaviour ? In short, no. You might as well wish that tigers stop eating meat and become vegetarians so we can walk freely in the jungle and not getting mauled to death. Because let’s be real, it’s not gonna happen just because we wish it. So what can we do in the meantime? Be more cautious. We can have stricter laws, harsher punishments etc..but is it going to stop every single male on the entire planet to do criminal, violent activity? Nope!

thefinn · 09/01/2023 14:35

Well it is an awful case and while the affidavit does provide a whole lot of evidence against him the more I think about it, the more I personally just start thinking about the absurdity of it. If the delivery came at 4 am that surely was the time he was watching.. that is a sure sign people in the house are awake.. ordering food, maybe having guests even.. how did he know how many people there were.. did he just take his chances??

vivainsomnia · 09/01/2023 14:37

But why did he not kill Dylan too?
Again, it is plausible he thought the police was about to show up and he didn't have another minute to fight her, and all he wanted to do at this stage us get away asap.

Spiderboy · 09/01/2023 14:48

@thefinn he was driving up and down and around the estate. I don’t think he was outside the house when the door dash came. Cameras picked up the car heading back towards the house at 4:04 (after already passing the house and turning around several times) so it is likely he missed the door dash entirely if it came at 4am.

I think there were 5 cars parked outside. Not sure what his thoughts were on who was actually inside and who his targets where. We can only speculate

HiHoHiHohoho · 09/01/2023 16:15

@AfricanAmericanFriday yes you were. It is clearly you lacking intelligence if you cannot understand the very basic English that you yourself used in your post. Let me help enlighten you in the simplest way possible.
You state 'nice, decent' images are fine. With the insulation that the 'half naked' 'pouting like a porn star' 'scantily clad' 'posing in lingerie' and in 'sexy outfits' while 'shaking my ass'... images posted by the women were indecent.
You then quite clearly state, 'it invites trouble.' If you invite something ( ie trouble in this case) then you are asking for it to come. You do know what 'to invite' means don't you? There is only one way to read that sentence. If you are 'inviting trouble' then you bear some ( perhaps all?) of the responsibility when it comes. And it really did come to those women didn't it?
This is exactly the kind of language used by the prosecution in court to describe women who have been raped. They were scantily clad. They were shaking their ass. They were asking for it.
So despite your protestations to the contrary you are, indeed, victim blaming. In your very own words.

FartOutLoudDay · 09/01/2023 16:21

FOJN · 09/01/2023 13:36

Because she was a witness, especially if she recognised him.

But why did he not kill Dylan too? The affidavit describes him walking straight towards her, which makes sense if he was returning from Xana's room to escape via the kitchen. If there was enough light for her to see he had bushy eyebrows then it would be almost impossible for him not to see her door was open, he would have been looking directly at her bedroom door as he walked across the lounge. It makes no sense to stay at the crime scene longer than necessary particularly when you know there are other people in the house who could raise the alarm.

There was a light-up sign on the right hand wall as he would have been walking towards the kitchen. He has (allegedly) posted historically about a condition called “visual snow”. If he has impaired vision and she was obscured behind her door in the dark as he was leaving, it’s possible he missed her. Or he was just in a rush. Or it was targeted and he’d done what he came to do. Or he deliberately left her alive. Who knows, we might never know. There’s more than one theorising online that she’s the perpetrator rather than narrowly avoiding being the victim. I’m assuming the police know a lot more about it than internet sleuths and are sure they’ve got their man.

OneFrenchEgg · 09/01/2023 17:42

It is a known fact that BK used social media to stalk the victims. He literally did that.

Where is this a known fact? I've followed this closely and haven't seen it

steff13 · 09/01/2023 17:44

Monoprix · 07/01/2023 16:25

I am not sure the house was broken into. Americans don’t tend to lock their main entrance doors. You frequently see in films how random people just go into someone’s house and the main entrance in unlocked. They probably lock their doors in Downtown Detroit or the Bronx but rural Americans don’t seem to give a shit about locking doors.

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Actually, most people here lock their doors unless they live very rurally.

AfricanAmericanFriday · 09/01/2023 19:53

HiHoHiHohoho · 09/01/2023 16:15

@AfricanAmericanFriday yes you were. It is clearly you lacking intelligence if you cannot understand the very basic English that you yourself used in your post. Let me help enlighten you in the simplest way possible.
You state 'nice, decent' images are fine. With the insulation that the 'half naked' 'pouting like a porn star' 'scantily clad' 'posing in lingerie' and in 'sexy outfits' while 'shaking my ass'... images posted by the women were indecent.
You then quite clearly state, 'it invites trouble.' If you invite something ( ie trouble in this case) then you are asking for it to come. You do know what 'to invite' means don't you? There is only one way to read that sentence. If you are 'inviting trouble' then you bear some ( perhaps all?) of the responsibility when it comes. And it really did come to those women didn't it?
This is exactly the kind of language used by the prosecution in court to describe women who have been raped. They were scantily clad. They were shaking their ass. They were asking for it.
So despite your protestations to the contrary you are, indeed, victim blaming. In your very own words.

How you translate my words is your problem not mine. You’ve reached a point where you are absolutely adamant to not let this go and you are frothing at the mouth at the thought of anyone having a different opinion from yours.
You are lifting certain words out of my whole text and dissect their standalone meaning so you can prove what my actual intentions (according to you) were with what I wrote. And when you’ve achieved it you’ll be happy and satisfied with your little victory, I presume.
Frankly, I am getting bored of your shit. Keep arguing if you have nothing better to do with your time but I won’t be answering you anymore. I have to take the dog for a walk and do the dishes anyway but if you want to keep up with your keyboard warrior antics, feel free to do that.

HiHoHiHohoho · 09/01/2023 20:33

@AfricanAmericanFriday you really are a strange one aren't you? It's nothing to do with my 'translation' of your words as you put it. I'm telling you the literal definition of what you said. It's not open to interpretation.
What makes you think I'm frothing at the mouth? Are you going back to that weird mad, angry dog analogy again from earlier? You're the one swearing. I'm perfectly chilled out thanks and not in any way shape or form looking for any kind of victory dance. My satisfaction would come from people like you no longer using the vile language you used to describe these young women.
Oh and by the way. A keyboard warrior is somebody who makes abusive or aggressive posts on the internet. I've been neither abusive or aggressive to you or anyone else here. You just don't like the fact that I've pulled you up for the language you used on multiple occasions. Whether it was lifted from a whole text is completely irrelevant. Maybe you could use the walk with your dog to clear your mind and think about how you might talk about women more carefully in the future.

OneFrenchEgg · 09/01/2023 20:56

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OneFrenchEgg · 09/01/2023 21:01

Thought posting the affidavit would be helpful:

https://www.insideedition.com/sites/default/files/inline-files/122922%20Affidavit%20-%20Exhibit%20A%20-%20Statement%20of%20Brett%20Payne_0.pdf

Unsubstantiated:

Although reference is made to a neighbours camera picking up a thud and then a dog barking, copies of ring footage circulating isn't verified or mentioned by police.

BK using social media to either stalk victims or discuss the case - although there was a survey posted on Reddit about committing a crime in his name. Other people think he posted on Reddit and Facebook about the crimes and theories (under Pappa Rogers someone referred to leaving the knife sheath and the white car being important)

How it happened, although inference has been drawn from the order of the charges put to him

^^ correct anything/add anything thought would be helpful

OneFrenchEgg · 09/01/2023 21:02

Test

OneFrenchEgg · 09/01/2023 21:03

Ofgs!!!! Kept saying it couldn't post and to try again - sorry!!!

Quinniebellie · 09/01/2023 21:21

Anyone who wants to follow this case and try to understand more, if you don’t already follow Houseinhabit on Instagram, you may find it interesting to do so.

OneFrenchEgg · 09/01/2023 21:37

Oh I don't do Instagram - I follow Brian Enron and Jennifer Coffindaffer (?) on Twitter

Quinniebellie · 09/01/2023 22:17

@OneFrenchEgg i don’t do Twitter 🤣 but I’ll have a look for them on Instagram.

Her name is Jessica Reed Kraus, I’m sure she’s on Twitter too but not sure how much she shares on there

Sux2buthen · 09/01/2023 22:20

ShufflingSlippers · 09/01/2023 08:06

Doesn't anyone go to bed at a reasonable time?
Ordering burgers at 04.00 is ridiculous.
Sixteen minutes to stab four people to death isn't a long time considering it only takes a second or two to put a knife in someone.
That makes it four minutes per victim.

There's some bloody bizarre posts on this thread

NotAnotherBathBomb · 09/01/2023 22:43

OneFrenchEgg · 09/01/2023 17:42

It is a known fact that BK used social media to stalk the victims. He literally did that.

Where is this a known fact? I've followed this closely and haven't seen it

Have we had this link yet to this fact?

OneFrenchEgg · 09/01/2023 22:47

Have we had this link yet to this fact?

No. I can't see it anywhere in the affidavit or remember it from the statements.

Someo · 09/01/2023 22:53

Do we know when he will next be in court? It will be an interesting case to watch unfold.

I hope the families get justice. Do they have the death penalty in Idaho?

OneFrenchEgg · 09/01/2023 22:58

12 Jan - a 'status hearing' and then on Reddit ppl were saying October for a trial?