To not be able to stop thinking about the Idaho murder case

[Rickandmortified100]

Is anyone else following this case? It’s absolutely horrible and has really scared me to the point of locking my bedroom door when I sleep every night! The more that comes out in the news, the more bizarre and confusing the case seems to get too. So scary to think what people are capable of 😞

Apparently he already knew where the house was and it's layout, which reduces time somewhat.
So, a minute to park up and another couple of minutes to gain entry.
Leaving say twelve minutes to do the murders, making it three minutes per victim.
Then the time to get back out and drive off, reducing it to say 2.5 minutes per victim.
Plenty of time considering it takes seconds to stab someone to death.

True that the audio footage hasn’t been verified, most things haven’t at this point. But if you listen to it, it sounds eerily similar to what the surviving roommate said she heard that night so my guess is that it is from that night. There’s also been footage from the food cart circulating which again isn’t verified, but shows the girls there at the time stamp the police said they were there, so I think these things do somehow get out into the public domain before the police officially release them.

I do think the time frame is odd, it does seem a quick time to do all this especially if the victims were actually awake. It must have been so meticulously planned and executed. So scary that someone has the want and capability to do that.

I’ve seen the Papa Rodger posts too and either it is him playing psychotic mind games, or it’s someone else who just has a huge interest in serial killers and true crime. Weird though that the account was taken down just after his arrest, and a lot of his posts seem to be trying to steer public view away from theories which have now been proven to be true in the affidavit.

Have they tracked down the DoorDash delivery driver or has he/she separately come forward? Pretty suspicious if not...?

I don't trust the audio footage. There are several versions floating around and some sounds like weird fiction.
Agree with a pp on Delphi being so haunting, those poor kids.

This is a really shitty view, OP. I'd understand the point if no murders and stalking happened before social median but it's been going on since the dawn of time. Social media is just a new thing to blame.

And as I said to the awful poster above, you not sharing your life on social media doesn't mean you'll be safe from violent crime 🙄

I think I read somewhere that the DD delivery guy has been ruled out.

I also read - and need this verified - that BK asked when being questioned if anyone else had been arrested. Which I dunno…could be him playing games or could be him implying he had an accomplice?

I absolutely would not trust any audio floating about online. Anything can be created and I just don’t think LE would let it be leaked out. The affidavit is so carefully worded and they are clearly doing everything they can to make sure they have it all nailed down. Why would they let something like an audio recording, which might be incredibly important evidence to the prosecution, be leaked and be in jeopardise the case?

Re the house - someone on Reddit suggested that if it was such an open party house, he could have slipped in during a party at one of his many recons of the house, and got a good idea of the layout and rooms etc previously. No one would question a random walking around at a party.

I’ve seen theories that he chose that house because it’s a party house and if they have his DNA there he could potentially say he had been to previous parties and that’s why. If no one can say for definite that he has never been in the house before then it’s a possible defence argument.

There was an American case where the defendant was found not guilty because the DNA sample they found at the scene was so small it was deemed that it could have been transferred there by someone else. So I’m hoping they have more DNA evidence than just the knife sheath.

I understand everyone is saying kaylee was the target and she had the worst injuries but they were in maddie bed? Maddie is the one who worked at the only vegan restaurant.

And for those saying about bk being the delivery driver I'm sure it says in the affidavit that they spoke to the delivery driver.

I've also heard the audio and I know it hasn't been verified and we might be only hearing what we want to but I really think it it. What I heard was someone saying "there is someone out there, it's brian. It's gotta be ". Then a male shouting "z" and saying hurry up asking for help. So I really think he killed ethan first.

Maddie didn’t work at a vegan restaurant, it was a Greek restaurant

@Spiderboy
Yes but it was also the only restaurant in town that done vegan food ?

@Spiderboy
Yes the mad Greek also sold vegan food. Lots are speculating about him going there. Xana and maddie worked there. Apparently if you googled vegan restaurant it was the first one that pops up in the area.

I also read - and need this verified - that BK asked when being questioned if anyone else had been arrested. Which I dunno…could be him playing games or could be him implying he had an accomplice?

This was a tactic used by another serial killer which BK had apparently studied on his criminology course. Possibly the BTK killer but I'm not 100% certain I've remembered that correctly, the BTK killer acted alone.

Im not sure if you’re being deliberately ignorant in order to appear superior or if you genuinely don’t understand what anyone is saying? Literally NOBODY has said, at ANY point, that ANYONE deserves or asks to be harmed or killed? Nobody has blamed any victims, nobody has said they invited this, nobody has said that social media is to blame for their deaths. It would be stupid, irresponsible and frankly idiotic behaviour to repeatedly claim that social media cannot have certain risks. Are you seriously going to start an argument about that? It is a known fact that BK used social media to stalk the victims. He literally did that. Does that mean it’s the victims fault? Of course f!*king not. Nobody SAID that, except YOU, when you keep putting words in people’s mouths for no reason. When bad things like this - truly evil and terrifying things happen, people feel afraid and want to understand how they can minimise any risk to it happening to themselves or to others. You trying to censor the fact that social media can have danger is NOT helpful. It’s foolish. I have a social media. Do I believe I am inviting literal bloody murder? Of course not, don’t be so stupid. However, upon learning that a crazed psychopath used social media to stalk his prey, I set my social media to private. It’s simply a response to a risk. If you want to pretend that it’s perfectly safe and risk free to have a public social media then feel free to have a public social media??? But why are you so opposed to people discussing the literal fact that BK used social media to stalk his victims and thus social media can be said to have some risks in this respect? Please stop derailing the thread? You’re being really argumentative and I honestly can’t be bothered with this smug ‘I have the moral high ground because I make problems out of everything and talk down to people’ Mumsnet attitude.

It’s like how when during the 60s and 70s multiple hitchhikers were murdered. Did anyone blame the hitchhikers? OF COURSE F!*KING NOT! They obviously blamed the murderers??!!!! Did most people see a risk and decide to stop hitchhiking to avoid said risk? Yes, obviously. It really annoys me when people say that discussing how to minimise risks is ‘victim blaming’ because the victims obviously didn’t minimise these risks. No, it’s a very natural, healthy and normal human response to witnessing danger to another - you act in a way that is different in order to avoid the same danger. That’s how we evolve and learn and survive. Of course nobody deserves murder, what an infuriatingly ludicrous thing to say. Nobody bloody said that they did. Nobody deserves murder but unfortunately murderers exist??? People like you attempting to silence anyone who discusses risk in this way are so dangerous. Knowing risk allows people to avoid risk. I can’t believe I’m having to explain this 😒

There’s been no confirmation he “stalked” them online. The Spotify account that claimed to follow two of the girls has been found to be a hoax as far as I‘ve seen.

@Rickandmortified100

It's like when someone posts on social media they are going on holiday and their house is burgled. It doesn't mean they deserved to get burgled but social media has played a part.

People are exposing them selves more on social media. Tagging their location. Uploading photos of their homes. Social media has made is easier for psychos to stalk their victims.

As much as I hate to mention social media again for fear of the ‘victim blaming’ brigade, one theory as to why the attack took place when it did was because Kaylee had actually moved out already (well, she’d been at her parent’s home as she was graduating and starting a job soon). She’d just bought a new car and had come back in her new car to spend the weekend with her friends and finish packing her stuff. That’s why she was sharing a room with Maddie - because her room was packed up. So one theory is that when BK saw on her social media that she had returned (when she posted the group photo with her roommates) he knew that this was basically his last chance. This is centred around the theory that Kaylee was his main target which, for some reason, I feel is probably accurate. Either Kaylee or Maddie or both.

I have the same feelings as a PP who said that he went for Kaylee and Maddie first and then basically came face to face with Xana who was unexpectedly up at that time, which I imagine he wasn’t expecting? This may also explain how Ethan was found in the bed while Xana was in the doorway - Xana got takeout food at 4AM (apparently the delivery driver has been interviewed and cleared after voluntarily contacting the police) and the food packaging was found in the kitchen, so maybe she ate in the kitchen? Or was up/walking around when he came in (using the bathroom/brushing teeth after eating, whatever). And she somehow disturbed him? I wonder if Ethan was asleep and that’s how he killed Ethan? I’m not sure exactly why he would have killed Ethan if he was sleeping - maybe Xana had left the bedroom door wide open when she went downstairs to eat and he saw Ethan sleeping and just went for the opportunity? And Xana returned to the bedroom and saw Ethan with his injuries - that would explain her crying and BK saying that he’s here to help (maybe to quiet her down making her think he’s going to help with Ethan’s injuries?).

This is the theory that made sense to me as I read the affidavit. I don’t know why I feel that Kaylee is most likely to be the target. Maybe because her father said that he felt she was, so I’ve been influenced by reading that? But it does seem to be the most common theory discussed online too (that she was the target, I mean).

BK was very clever to ask whether anyone else has been arrested because that’s also really thrown a lot of people. I didn’t know it was a tactic used by another serial killer though, so it does make sense that he just copied this. By saying this, he’s really fuelled the ‘Dylan was involved’ thing.

Poor Dylan and Bethany. They must be absolutely terrified. I can’t even sleep at night thinking about this. I always lock my door at night now (my bedroom door, that is) because it’s just so scary. I can’t even imagine how they must feel.

As much as I hate to mention social media again for fear of the ‘victim blaming’ brigade, one theory as to why the attack took place when it did was because Kaylee had actually moved out already (well, she’d been at her parent’s home as she was graduating and starting a job soon). She’d just bought a new car and had come back in her new car to spend the weekend with her friends and finish packing her stuff. That’s why she was sharing a room with Maddie - because her room was packed up. So one theory is that when BK saw on her social media that she had returned (when she posted the group photo with her roommates) he knew that this was basically his last chance. This is centred around the theory that Kaylee was his main target which, for some reason, I feel is probably accurate. Either Kaylee or Maddie or both.

I have the same feelings as a PP who said that he went for Kaylee and Maddie first and then basically came face to face with Xana who was unexpectedly up at that time, which I imagine he wasn’t expecting? This may also explain how Ethan was found in the bed while Xana was in the doorway - Xana got takeout food at 4AM (apparently the delivery driver has been interviewed and cleared after voluntarily contacting the police) and the food packaging was found in the kitchen, so maybe she ate in the kitchen? Or was up/walking around when he came in (using the bathroom/brushing teeth after eating, whatever). And she somehow disturbed him? I wonder if Ethan was asleep and that’s how he killed Ethan? I’m not sure exactly why he would have killed Ethan if he was sleeping - maybe Xana had left the bedroom door wide open when she went downstairs to eat and he saw Ethan sleeping and just went for the opportunity? And Xana returned to the bedroom and saw Ethan with his injuries - that would explain her crying and BK saying that he’s here to help (maybe to quiet her down making her think he’s going to help with Ethan’s injuries?).

This is the theory that made sense to me as I read the affidavit. I don’t know why I feel that Kaylee is most likely to be the target. Maybe because her father said that he felt she was, so I’ve been influenced by reading that? But it does seem to be the most common theory discussed online too (that she was the target, I mean).

BK was very clever to ask whether anyone else has been arrested because that’s also really thrown a lot of people. I didn’t know it was a tactic used by another serial killer though, so it does make sense that he just copied this. By saying this, he’s really fuelled the ‘Dylan was involved’ thing.

Poor Dylan and Bethany. They must be absolutely terrified. I can’t even sleep at night thinking about this. I always lock my door at night now (my bedroom door, that is) because it’s just so scary. I can’t even imagine how they must feel.

Honestly, after working in the courts and law enforcement I’m much more worried about a drunk or speeding driver taking me out.

The vast majority of murders and assaults aren’t random.

(I want to stress that the theory doesn’t mean that the attack took place because of the social media photo. Rather that the attack might have taken place WHEN IT DID because anyone stalking the girls (as BK did) would have known that Kaylee had gone. He might have felt he’d missed his chance. And then he saw via the social media photo that she was back for a visit. And that’s the theory about why on that day rather than another day.

@Rickandmortified100 I think you're treading on very dangerous ground here. The trouble is it is ALWAYS women who are told how to minimise risk. There have been several high profile cases of young women being murdered simply walking home at night. If your argument is that we should take note of what happens around us and change our behaviour accordingly, then to follow your argument that means we shouldn't go out at night? There have also been cases recently in Manchester and Birmingham where 2 young men were fatally stabbed. But despite these awful tragedies I don't see any expectation anywhere for men to change their behaviour. I wish you would calm down and stop using so many capitals and !!!!. This isn't a thread derailment at all it is a valid discussion as it is integral to the bigger picture. And you are sadly deluded if @AfricanAmericanFriday is not victim blaming in her 2 posts which you excuse as being clumsily worded. I think her words were very intentional and absolutely dripping with contempt for these young women. Just one ( of many examples) : why did she have to post pictures of herself half naked in a bikini? That tells you everything right there.
Please don't try and police threads and try to speak for everyone on it ( or even literally everyone in the past re: the hitchhiking example) as you've done a few times now. That's not how it works on here.

or if he intended to kill ALL of the housemates but that Xana being awake and having to kill somebody who was putting up a fight left him fatigued and panicked, which is why he left when he did, leaving Dylan and Bethany alive
Maybe X opened her bedroom door when she heard things, he saw her, killed her and E, but before doing so, told him that the police had been called and we're on their way, hence rushing out and leaving B alive despite seeing him. He was speeding out of Moscow, so might indeed have believed the cops were on their way.

Her posts on social media would explain how he knew she was back at the house that weekend. I keep thinking about the 12 occasions his mobile phone connected to a mast in the area in the months before the attack and wondered if they were previous attempts to commit the murder, I think I saw he had changed mobile phone service provider in June, I wonder if the police can access information from his previous service provider.

At the moment the affidavit is only presenting circumstantial evidence. We have no idea how big an area the phone mast covered, Moscow is a fairly small town, how many phone masts would there be locally? The DNA on a movable object like the knife sheath only proves that he had contact with it at some point, not that he placed it on the bed next to Maddie at the time the murders took place.

Xana's room was on the same floor as the kitchen, apparently there was other rubbish from fast food places throughout the house so I'm not sure there is conclusive proof yet that the bag found it the kitchen was from that nights delivery. If BK came in through the sliding door in the kitchen and used the stairs to get to the third floor then Xana or Ethan would had to have been in the kitchen or lounge to have seen him. Its unlikely he would have let himself in if he could see activity in the kitchen. If Xana had eaten in her room and taken the packaging to the kitchen then she may have seen him as he was coming back down the stairs but then if she ran to her room he would have had a clear exit via the kitchen so why would he go after her? If she had seen him and ran to her room then it would suggest she recognised danger and would likely have screamed to alert everyone else. There are floor plans of the house which only add to how strange the whole case is.

Cyber stalking is a very real thing. Talking about how a murderer obtained information about his victims is not victim blaming. There is only one person responsible for these crimes.

if she ran to her room he would have had a clear exit via the kitchen so why would he go after her?
Because she was a witness, especially if she recognised him. She could have run to her bedroom door and slam it, hence the thump heard on the video but he caught her, and killed her there. Would have done the same to the other girl but would have chosen to run at this point if he thought the police was on its way.