To not be able to stop thinking about the Idaho murder case

[Rickandmortified100]

Is anyone else following this case? It’s absolutely horrible and has really scared me to the point of locking my bedroom door when I sleep every night! The more that comes out in the news, the more bizarre and confusing the case seems to get too. So scary to think what people are capable of 😞

Gosh. All the time that women going to and from work, going jogging, walking their dog etc are assaulted, raped or murdered, arguments about 'but what were they wearing? What were they doing?' are bollocks. Men do this, women don't ask for it.

Murderous creeps existed long before social media, you can take the victim blaming with you on your way out.

But what are they trying to prove with all those pics, and to whom?

They're trying to prove to potential murderers that they're easy targets. Happy now? 🙄

This way of thinking is a defense mechanism, you're putting them in a box and attributing certain qualities to them that you think make them more susceptible to violent crimes and you safe. That's not how this works.

@AfricanAmericanFriday your first post was bad enough, but the second one? Jesus Christ I despair. Your are literally blaming those young women for their own horrific deaths. You absolutely disgust me.

I don’t think that she is victim blaming to be honest. It’s not untrue to point out that in the age of social media, creepy and unhinged people like Bryan Kohberger are able to have access to elements of their victims life they would have been inaccessible to them before social media.

If I was obsessed with someone (either romantically obsessed or obsessed because I despised them) then I could stalk their social media from the very comfort of my own home, at all times. I could get a clear idea of their routine, their place of work or study, their friendship groups, the places they frequent. I’d potentially also be able to know who they lived with, get a feel for the layout of their homes, and know when they in their homes alone. Of course, not everyone posts in so much detail but a lot of people do.

As unpopular as this is to say judging by previous posts - I may even have access to certain photos of my victim that previously, in the age before social media, would have been considered more personal in nature and not accessible to most people. Viewing these photos may fuel my obsession, whether feeding feelings of lust or hatred and therefore enhancing my obsession.

NOBODY is saying that by having social media, anyone is willingly inviting danger. But it would be foolish and naive to pretend that unhinged and dangerous people cannot use social media to their advantage. Especially considering that there is sufficient evidence that Bryan Kohberger did indeed use social media as one of his methods of stalking the victims.

I just wish Mumsnet posters wouldn’t derail conversations by deliberately misunderstanding posters in order to attack them and feel morally superior. It takes very basic reading skills to understand that the poster was NOT saying that the victims deserved to be killed because of their public social media, but that incels could use their social media to fuel their hatred, choose their victims, find their victims, etc. It’s actually quite frustrating and tedious when people deliberately misunderstand others in order to take some kind of unnecessary moral high ground. It’s like a weird form of modern bullying - trying to make others feel small and yourself feel smug. Just stop. This isn’t the place for it. These crimes were a hideous tragedy and it’s just not a place for petty arguments and unkindness.

Anyone have a link to read up on this from the beginning? Quick search just brought up update articles

Okay, I regret this post. It’s too harsh and emotional. I do understand what the PP was trying to say (although her second post was rather crass admittedly) but I just think she was clumsy with words and/or got defensive after being attacked in her first post which was clearly not victim blaming but instead pointing out how incels might use a victims social media. I just hate how every MN thread descends into chaos and arguing and derails the original topic although I appreciate that this probably isn’t what posters were trying to do.

Let me see if I can find anything that summarises well. One minute!

@Homedeco www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/idaho-college-student-killings-summary-timeline-rcna63818 this is quite a good summary

This is so interesting! It would explain a lot in that he’s been described as a massive know-it-all who is always trying to be the smartest person in the room. It would also explain why the killer was so sloppy in some ways but clearly very careful in others. I have read claims that the knife sheath was left behind deliberately by BK to throw the police off his scent and make them believe they were looking for a US marine or ex marine (as it’s a knife used by the marines). BUT, this guy is a Criminology PHD student who has been described by his teacher as one of the smartest students she has ever taught. Why would he make such a ridiculous mistake? I have no criminology degree but know from basic news and true crime documentaries about DNA and how modern technology can find even the tiniest piece of DNA. I watched a documentary recently about a guy arrested and charged with a murder based on DNA (and later found innocent in court) because the DNA that they found of his was so small that it could have literally been passed on by someone else - like, he opened a door, for example, got his DNA on the door handle and then the actual killer could have opened the same door and then gone and committed the murder later that day and left behind this guy’s DNA as well as his own. It was a similar kind of situation - a party house so there was loads of DNA all over the house and police of course couldn’t identify it all. The DNA found on the sheath was said to be a similarly tiny amount. Imagine if this was all a part of his plan - to implicate himself but also ensure that certain elements of his case were similar to other cases where the evidence was simultaneously strong-seeming but also easy to disprove/explain away by defence?

Similarly, anyone who has ever watched a crime documentary knows to not take your phone if you’re going to commit a crime … let alone drive your own bloody car! It’s just so stupid! He even apparently went on social media and stressed on discussion boards that the car was relevant to the case and also brought up the sheath as well. Making a bigger fact of these ‘mistakes’ that he’d made and bringing them to the attention of the general public. WHY do this.

Of course, he might have just been having a psychotic episode or on drugs or God knows what, making him stupid and sloppy. But the idea that he did this deliberately with the intention of being caught and then freed at the court case is so interesting. If he’s always felt like a loser and been bullied, like his friends accounts say, and has always felt the need to prove himself smarter than everyone else, then what better way to gain fame and notoriety while also winning and feeling (and appearing to be) incredibly intelligent?

Thank you for the link. I do remember vaguely reading about this when it happened as apparently 2 of the housemates slept through it and survived.

Why would he make such a ridiculous mistake?

I studied psychology at university which had a criminology module. Criminology teaches you nothing about how to get away with murder, it’s also not a particularly difficult degree.

He made a mistake because there’s a difference between planning something and doing something. In the moment he may have been swept up by emotion or conflict ie adrenaline and wasn’t able to remember every aspect of his plan.

There are many people (especially young people, but others too) who like the idea of someone who is able to have that window into their life – via social media, photos which show off their body, etc – will start to become obsessed with them. They do not know yet how dangerous the world is, and what men can be capable of. Nobody expects that the person obsessing over their social media photos is a guy who is actually plotting to murder people.

Yeah I would agree with @Homedeco - plotting a murder through the lens of thinking you’re the smartest person in the room, plus all of the ego and narcissism of an Incel type, is very very different to actually carrying out a murder, where your body is going to be reacting in ways you can’t control - adrenaline spikes making you rush or panic for example.

A suggested timeline is that he went to Kaylee and Madison first, where Kaylee’s attack was much more aggressive, and then as he was leaving Xana either heard him or saw him and he didn’t expect her to be awake and he had to incapacitate her and Ethan - we have no idea if he only intended to kill Kaylee and found Madison in bed with her and then also had to kill Xana and Ethan, or if he intended to kill ALL of the housemates but that Xana being awake and having to kill somebody who was putting up a fight left him fatigued and panicked, which is why he left when he did, leaving Dylan and Bethany alive. Either way, it demonstrates the point that plotting out a murder in your head is very different to actually carrying it out and all the things that can veer you off your course and affect your plan - including the impact on yourself such as fatigue, adrenaline, panic, even a “high” carrying out the attacks that would make you less methodical.

Where is the evidence he used SM to stalk his victims? That might be a theory but the affidavit refers to his phone being in the location unless I've missed it?

The pp referencing social media use - I did not deliberately misunderstand. Using judgemental language such as 'sexy outfits', 'shenanigans' and 'pouting' doesn't help their case. We can disagree but I won't be criticised for objecting without replying to that.

This is a horrific case. I only caught up with the release of the affidavit yesterday and there are quite a few things which are baffling.

Kayle had moved out and was visiting for the weekend; if she was the target then how did he know she was there? I'm not clear on when Kaylee arrived and whether he'd watched the house since her arrival.

The knife sheath is odd, if you were planning to surprise two sleeping people then surely you would take the knife out of the sheath before you entered the room and put the sheath in a pocket to make sure you didn't leave anything behind.

If it was a renowned party house then he was taking a risk that there wouldn't be other people in the house in addition to the housemates and he hadn't been surveilling the house for long enough on the night in question to be certain about who was in the house. His phone data suggest he didn't arrive in the area until long after they had all arrived home. 12 surveillance visits over a matter of months does not seem enough for him to know about the routines of all housemates.

I wonder if he had been in the house before and placed hidden cameras to monitor the comings and goings.

If he came in on the first floor then he would have walked past B's room to get to the second floor and if he came in through the sliding door in the kitchen on the second floor (which is at ground level at the back of the house) then he would have walked past D's room at least three times whilst he was there.

Why attack the people in rooms where there were two people and leave the people sleeping on their own alone? There is a much greater risk of things not going according to plan if you have to subdue two people at the same time. Even if he'd been disturbed by Ethan or Xana then why not run if they were not his intended victims.

I think he killed the people he intended to and I doubt this is the first time he's done it.

I really hope the police have dotted the i's and crossed the t's on everything so far, apparently he has a number of lawyers offering pro bono work to make a name for themselves and it would be a travesty if he walked on technicalities.

This. It’s so bizarre how it all happened. And why did he spare the other two room mates? Especially since he walked straight past one of them, close enough for her to be able to take note of his bushy eyebrows.
what was the motive? It was definitely meticulously planned. I think a lot more will unfold about this once the trial starts (in OCTOBER?!)

Don’t know if this has already been said as I’ve not read the full thread yet, but have you heard the audio recording from the ring camera?
theres at least 3 people up and talking, you hear someone say something like “get the fuck out of here I’ll talk to you outside”
then someone say what sounds like “it’s Brian”
then make voices shouting, someone shouts “z” (Xana)
then it all goes quiet

plus the surviving roommate says she heard talking and what she thought was someone playing with the dog. The delivery was for Xana, there’s theories that Brian was the delivery driver and that’s why he’d visited the house so many times late at night in the run up to the murder.

so anyway I think they were all or mostly awake when it happened, which just blows my mind.

The ring audio hasn't been officially released - would be helpful to clarify official releases / statements v theories and stuff circulating on SM.

Doesn't anyone go to bed at a reasonable time?
Ordering burgers at 04.00 is ridiculous.
Sixteen minutes to stab four people to death isn't a long time considering it only takes a second or two to put a knife in someone.
That makes it four minutes per victim.

@Hippywannabe 😱 what did he say on the Facebook post? Allegedly of course

I’m into true crime but this case and Delphi have really disturbed me 😔

It’s 16 mins in total that his car was parked and unmoving from what they’ve got on video. So that includes time to get out of the car, enter the house, find the rooms, kill 4 people (apparently fighting to some extent with 1) and then leaving, getting back to his car etc.

I hope this isn’t the thing that creates reasonable doubt.

The ring camera footage hasn’t been verified, it could well be fake or from an earlier party or whatever.

A guy is claiming to have sold the knife to BK in October via FB marketplace. He’s said that BK and someone else came to collect it. If true hopefully he has been ruled out as a co-conspirator.

I’ve only seen stuff posted on web sleuths and Tiktok but the alleged account stated that the knife sheath had been left long before the affidavit came out and confirmed it. The account was called Pappa Rodger on FB but I think it’s been deleted since.

But what’s the point of posing half naked in a bikini, pouting like a porn star and uploading dozens upon dozens of these pictures? It invites trouble.

NOBODY is saying that by having social media, anyone is willingly inviting danger.

@Rickandmortified100 that is LITERALLY what @AfricanAmericanFriday did.