Page 20 | To not be able to stop thinking about the Idaho murder case

Rickandmortified100 · 2023-01-07T14:45:38+00:00

Is anyone else following this case? It’s absolutely horrible and has really scared me to the point of locking my bedroom door when I sleep every night! The more that comes out in the news, the more bizarre and confusing the case seems to get too. So scary to think what people are capable of 😞

FOJN · 15/01/2023 08:52

Rickandmortified100 · 14/01/2023 23:39

It did cross my mind that he might be innocent. He’s clearly a weird guy and admittedly when I saw him I did think ‘He LOOKS like a serial killer’ and then felt immediately guilty and wondered whether this might be why so few people have claimed that they think he might be innocent. Please don’t flame me for this confession! But like a PP said, the evidence that they have released so far is not particularly strong. He visited the area several times including on the night of the murder and a tiny piece of his DNA was found on a sheath. Unless there’s like something massive they’re keeping hidden then maybe he actually didn’t do it.

I agee it's really important to keep an open mind, we've only seen some of the evidence for the state's case we won't see any of the defence case for a while yet. Taken together the evidence is pretty compelling. He would have to be very unfortunate for his car and phone to be in the area around the time of the murders AND his DNA found on an item at the scene if he was innocent but it's not conclusive proof of guilt. It would be surprising if they don't recover more evidence from his car etc to add to what they already have but if the don't and have to rely on what they already have then I think the defence will be able to create reasonable doubt.

Justice won't be served by convicting the wrong man.

Polik · 15/01/2023 09:21

ImprobablePuffin · 14/01/2023 21:54

Doesn't matter if it's an unpopular opinion or not, it's interesting to me never the less.

I (possibly naively) assumed for the police to make the arrest they had enough on him to make a case.

Can I ask what about it you find tenuous or why the police should be looking elsewhere? It's certainly not a straightforward case that's for sure!

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The evidence from the affidavit is that he was in and around the area at the time. It's a party area, by definition socially active and busy through the night. And there is a (movable) knife sheath that he has at some point touched. These are both tenuous links.

Social media is speculating a varaity of narratives around this meaning he is guilty. There are equal potential narratives to explain that he is innocent using this evidence. Popular opinion isn't allowing the space for "innocent" narratives, so the "guilty" narratives get heard more easily, then get speculated on.

Whatafustercluck · 15/01/2023 09:37

I think this thread has taken a very unhealthy turn with so many of you so invested in playing armchair detectives, wanting to know (and in some cases pretending to know) every detail. Four people are dead in a country far away. That's sad and i feel for their grieving families. But let the police do their jobs, and focus on your own lives. Yes it's horrific, but crmes like this are as rare as rocking horse shit, thankfully.

FartOutLoudDay · 15/01/2023 10:59

The vast majority of people will have read the original headlines and then swiftly moved on. In terms of jury selection it’s not like the majority of people will be following along to the extent people on this thread are.

justgettingthroughtheday · 15/01/2023 11:46

Whatafustercluck · 15/01/2023 09:37

I think this thread has taken a very unhealthy turn with so many of you so invested in playing armchair detectives, wanting to know (and in some cases pretending to know) every detail. Four people are dead in a country far away. That's sad and i feel for their grieving families. But let the police do their jobs, and focus on your own lives. Yes it's horrific, but crmes like this are as rare as rocking horse shit, thankfully.

Oh go away! People are allowed to discuss the case. Nobody is preventing the police doing their jobs. Nobody is suggesting that they have the answers either.
But it is a very unusual case and people are naturally curious and concerned about how it happened.

If you don't like the thread then please scroll on by.

justgettingthroughtheday · 15/01/2023 11:51

ToughTalker · 15/01/2023 01:17

The thing about his apparent ‘friend’ being shot dead by police after threatening to kill his room mates on the day BK left Idaho to drive home with his Dad is a massive coincidence. Brent Kopacka lived next to BK and was suffering from PTSD after military service. Wonder if they were working together which explains the quick turnaround of the murders, although Dylan only saw one man in the house. Perhaps one of them driving or Kopacka was borrowing his car?

There’s also a story that BK bought the knife with Kopacka before the murders. Not verified and could be rubbish.

I definitely think BK is on the spectrum. I have an adult DS with ASD and can spot it quite easily. Especially the ‘serial killer eyes’. DS has that look when he’s very anxious in public and trying to put on a front. It’s a running joke between us! Also just his demeanour at the arraignment and the reports that he was talking to himself to calm himself in the prison van. Another thing DS does to process and calm himself when he’s het up or angry. Reports of him having little emotion and inappropriate interactions with women as well. I’d be interested to know why his Dad went to Idaho to drive home with him too. Perhaps worried about him driving all that way in his own?

I just hope that he’s not a vulnerable person who was targeted as the fall guy before the murders even took place.

I wonder whether the DNA was transferable DNA?

Surprised it took the police 7 weeks to arrest him if they had the DNA from the start. It surely wouldn’t have taken that long to run a search on the police databases (not sure if they have a central one or do states have their own?) then go to ancestry companies and you’d imagine they’d send urgent requests to all of them at the same time considering there was a crazed monster on the loose? Wouldn’t take long to get a hit? Would they have had to get court orders to force the ancestry companies to comply?

Its all very well having DNA but if you haven't got a match or a close match on the police database then how do you know whose it is?
I have no idea if the police databases in the US are linked up country wide. So unless Brian or a close family member had had reason to have had their DNA taken in the past (and not all criminals will have DNA taken unless it's relevant to their crimes) then there would have been no marches on the database anyway.
There are crimes with DNA evidence that haven't been solved for decades because they never have found a match.

ImprobablePuffin · 15/01/2023 12:59

Whatafustercluck · 15/01/2023 09:37

I think this thread has taken a very unhealthy turn with so many of you so invested in playing armchair detectives, wanting to know (and in some cases pretending to know) every detail. Four people are dead in a country far away. That's sad and i feel for their grieving families. But let the police do their jobs, and focus on your own lives. Yes it's horrific, but crmes like this are as rare as rocking horse shit, thankfully.

I don't think anyone is trying to play detective. I think people are giving their opinions and thoughts on a very high profile case on a public forum designed for discussion and opinion.

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Rickandmortified100 · 15/01/2023 13:09

Whatafustercluck · 15/01/2023 09:37

I think this thread has taken a very unhealthy turn with so many of you so invested in playing armchair detectives, wanting to know (and in some cases pretending to know) every detail. Four people are dead in a country far away. That's sad and i feel for their grieving families. But let the police do their jobs, and focus on your own lives. Yes it's horrific, but crmes like this are as rare as rocking horse shit, thankfully.

Being interested in how and why a horrible murder happened, feeling the need to understand, is actually a very normal and healthy human response to such an event. If you don’t like discussing such issues then there are multiple other threads that you can pop off too. Nobody is insisting you stay!

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Rickandmortified100 · 15/01/2023 13:10

Does anyone else feel frustrated that there hasn’t been many updates in the news recently? Or am I just missing them? I’m abroad so not watching regular news but been checking papers and even US ones seem to have gone a little quiet. I wonder if it will stay like this until the trial?

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ImprobablePuffin · 15/01/2023 13:28

Rickandmortified100 · 15/01/2023 13:10

Does anyone else feel frustrated that there hasn’t been many updates in the news recently? Or am I just missing them? I’m abroad so not watching regular news but been checking papers and even US ones seem to have gone a little quiet. I wonder if it will stay like this until the trial?

I think it will quiet down for a while. The prosecution aren't going to reveal what they've got. There may be a few bits and pieces that come out but it will all ramp up again when the trial starts I imagine.

CornishGem1975 · 15/01/2023 13:35

I think the prosecution will have a LOT more evidence than we know about. The affadavit only needed enough to bring a case. They won't share all the details ahead of the trial. I doubt they'll be anything new to talk about on this case now until at least June!

justgettingthroughtheday · 15/01/2023 15:09

Rickandmortified100 · 15/01/2023 13:10

Does anyone else feel frustrated that there hasn’t been many updates in the news recently? Or am I just missing them? I’m abroad so not watching regular news but been checking papers and even US ones seem to have gone a little quiet. I wonder if it will stay like this until the trial?

I doubt we will hear much if anything more from official sources now till the trial. They won't want anything jeopardised by being in the public domain and influencing potential jurors.

OneFrenchEgg · 15/01/2023 15:29

Rickandmortified100 · 15/01/2023 13:10

Does anyone else feel frustrated that there hasn’t been many updates in the news recently? Or am I just missing them? I’m abroad so not watching regular news but been checking papers and even US ones seem to have gone a little quiet. I wonder if it will stay like this until the trial?

No, it's a murder investigation not a soap opera! I don't feel frustrated by it, I'm interested in the 'why' and the 'how' for my own reassurance of what I could do to improve safety generally and also a bit of general nosiness/shock/prurience.

FartOutLoudDay · 15/01/2023 17:36

There’s also a gagging order in place so we shouldn’t be hearing anything about the case outside the court anyway.

thewinterwitch · 15/01/2023 21:12

There won't be much in the way of news, I would guess, until June 26 and the preliminary hearing. But there are still lots of articles reporting the details of the PCA, or looking at BK's background and the history of the case, and three TV progams about it have recently aired in the US: on 48 hours, 20/20, and Dateline.

ImprobablePuffin · 15/01/2023 21:52

thewinterwitch · 15/01/2023 21:12

There won't be much in the way of news, I would guess, until June 26 and the preliminary hearing. But there are still lots of articles reporting the details of the PCA, or looking at BK's background and the history of the case, and three TV progams about it have recently aired in the US: on 48 hours, 20/20, and Dateline.

I wonder if they are available in the UK, I just remember to have a look. Do the episodes of these programs have individual titles or would i need to trawl through till I find the right one?

ImprobablePuffin · 15/01/2023 21:53

Apologies for terrible spelling and grammar in that last post!

FOJN · 15/01/2023 22:03

I think there will be another flurry of media activity when they unseal the search warrants on the 1st March.

thewinterwitch · 15/01/2023 22:14

ImprobablePuffin · 15/01/2023 21:52

I wonder if they are available in the UK, I just remember to have a look. Do the episodes of these programs have individual titles or would i need to trawl through till I find the right one?

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I think you'd need a VPN to watch them, although they may get loaded onto YouTube at some point.

www.cbsnews.com/48-hours/full-episodes/
www.nbc.com/dateline/video/killings-in-a-college-town/9000267447
abc.com/shows/2020/episode-guide/2023-01/13-horror-in-idaho

foxlover47 · 15/01/2023 22:41

@FOJN what does it mean when they unseal the search warrants . Don't mean to sound thick but genuinely not sure

ImprobablePuffin · 15/01/2023 23:35

@thewinterwitch thank you very much for the links, that's really kind. I'll see what I can do.

FOJN · 15/01/2023 23:46

foxlover47 · 15/01/2023 22:41

@FOJN what does it mean when they unseal the search warrants . Don't mean to sound thick but genuinely not sure

I'm not American but what I understand from watching some US lawyers discuss the case it seems like the documents can be obtained under something similar to FOI but they can be sealed, therefore not publicly accessible. In this case the search warrants are sealed until 1st March, after which they should become publicly available. I thought the search warrant was just about where the police had authority to search but it seems to be a bit more than that in the US although I'm still not 100% clear on what the extras are. Hopefully it will become clear when the warrants are unsealed or maybe there will be a US lawyer in MN who can fill in the blanks.

I've been watching Lawyer You Know on YouTube who seems to offer a considered rather than sensationalist take on proceedings. He thought there was something significant about the reasons given for sealing the warrants.

foxlover47 · 16/01/2023 00:45

@FOJN thank you for taking the time to reply.
I have wondered if it was to keep evidence private from the public domain but really know very little of American law

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Rickandmortified100 · 16/01/2023 23:37

OneFrenchEgg · 15/01/2023 15:29

No, it's a murder investigation not a soap opera! I don't feel frustrated by it, I'm interested in the 'why' and the 'how' for my own reassurance of what I could do to improve safety generally and also a bit of general nosiness/shock/prurience.

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It’s exactly because I’m interested in the ‘why’ that I feel so keen to hear updates? Knowing that it’s going to take so long for answers is frustrating. Nothing to do with it being like a soap opera? I don’t watch or feel excited about soap operas but I do feel interested to know about and understand events like this one - in fact, any event which shows the depths of what human beings are capable of. It’s not appropriate to link it to a form a cheap entertainment. It’s not like that at all.

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Rickandmortified100 · 16/01/2023 23:39

(Although admittedly nosiness and shock probably also play a part! I am ashamed to admit that I don’t know what prurience means 😳 off to Google 😁)

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