To not be able to stop thinking about the Idaho murder case

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Is anyone else following this case? It’s absolutely horrible and has really scared me to the point of locking my bedroom door when I sleep every night! The more that comes out in the news, the more bizarre and confusing the case seems to get too. So scary to think what people are capable of 😞

@Anothertiredmom Brian Entin on twitter reported the sheriff said they were from shaving today
Which is odd he reported it as I thought there was a gag order

@WakeyWakeyRiseandShine that's Occam's razor isn't it .. the most obvious answer is usually it
There surely has to be so much more to their statements regarding why so long for their 911 call etc
And another poster said he had been training for it , how does anyone know he had been training to kill them , the phone mast pings showing he was in the vicinity for months could show stalking I guess but 4 murders , really frenzied murders and getting out of that house with no mess is such a fast time

Ag I haven’t seen those pictures or heard that it was disproved. I’m glad it wasn’t blood then.

@MynameisJune yeah same. I just couldn’t comprehend how that would actually work anyway but it was too horrible to think about. But yeah I am reasonably sure it’s discolouration from water damage or rust or something similar.

Because the victims were asleep. If you don’t want your victims to make a sound, you cut their throat first (excuse me for being graphic). Maybe this is what BK did first before stabbing them more.
Or he covered their mouths with his hands so they couldn’t make a sound.

Honestly, I hope they were slipping away before they realised they were being attacked because to be slayed like that when you are fully conscious must be agony. A terrible way to go.

They were interviewed so it's not like the police didn't interview them.

@Tescoland new evidence suggests that Kaylee maddy, and Ethan might have been asleep but Xana was not. She was on TikTok and had just got a food delivery. The killer literally walked past the delivery driver.

One of the girls said 'someone is here' they're not sure who.

Maddy and kaylee were sleeping in a single bed together and the dog was in kaylees room, alone. He did bark though.

One of the surviving room mates opened her door, 3 times, heard a woman crying, heard the dog barking and thought her room mates were messing around, then she heard someone say 'it's okay I'm going to help you' so she opened her door again and the killer literally walked past her door, she saw him, closed the door and went back to sleep.

She also was on the same floor as Xana and Ethan, but its kind of L shaped so she couldn't see their door from hers.

There was a footprint outside her door from the killer. It's understandable why she panicked and went into a 'shocked state' she was also high and drunk and might have thought she was dreaming?

I don't think anyone can judge her

His DNA does not prove he was there at the time of the murders or committed them. The affidavit said they had only isolated a single male DNA sample from it which seems odd given that it was found next to two women who had been brutally stabbed, why is there none of their DNA on it?

He wore gloves to commit the murders. At some point prior to the murders, he opened the sheath without gloves on and left touch DNA. This is only one in a llitany of mistakes that he made, as an amateur criminal. The sheath DNA is how they nailed him, coupled with the rest of the circumstantial evidence presented in the affidavit, and were able to make the arrest. I don't think they have said it was spotless - just that the DNA found on its fastener was his.

The affidavit is not their whole case. It is just probable cause to issue an arrest warrant, which they were granted.

In the. An you Grace podcast yesterday they visited the site and from the hillside across from the building could clearly see the whole layout of the building, into the rooms etc. They reckoned the suspect had watched the place numerous times and observed the occupants.
Some of the victims frequented the Crazy Greek vegan restaurant nearby as did the suspect who is a committed vegan.
OP just make sure you draw your curtains etc so would be criminals can’t observe who is home etc.

I think 2 of the victims worked at the vegan restaurant?

Maddie and Xana worked at the Mad Greek restaurant. LE haven’t said that the suspect frequented there I don’t think. Just that it’s one of the only restaurants with a vegan menu and he was a vegan so it’s a possible link.

One of the things that shocks me is how quickly this seemed to escalate, he moved to the area in August ready for Sept start. Xana and Dylan moved into the house in August too. So within 3.5-4 months he has gone from not knowing them to mass murder.

The thought of xana being awake and on tik tok just before is so sad , they're all sad but to think she may of crossed paths with him and knew what he was doing there

He wore gloves to commit the murders. At some point prior to the murders, he opened the sheath without gloves on and left touch DNA.

We assume he wore gloves but I haven't seen that confirmed as fact. DNA on a movable object does not mean he committed the murders, it just means he's touched that object at some point. His defence may argue that it belonged to him but someone else took it to the crime scene. I read the affidavit to mean that the only complete DNA sample they obtained belonged to him but I'm still surprised it has neither Maddie's or Kaylee's DNA on it. It seems unlikely he would have held it whilst he commited the murders and then put it on the bed.

They may be able to secure a conviction based on the all the evidence combined but the DNA on the knife sheath would not be enough on its own.

Did the house have CCTV cameras? Everybody has at least a ring doorbell camera nowadays. Throughout the whole time of this investigation I never heard anyone mention house cameras and checking their content. Did I miss it or what?

The sheath was the sort that attached to a belt or a belt loop on a pair of trousers. It has been pulled loose during the struggle, or got caught between him and the two young women, as he committed the murders.

If he'd just picked up and touched the sheath at some point casually, then his DNA would be on other parts of it, but as the affidavit makes clear, it was only on the button fastening.

He obviously wore gloves.

There is a lot one can deduce by actually reading the affidavit.

They may be able to secure a conviction based on the all the evidence combined but the DNA on the knife sheath would not be enough on its own.

The affidavit makes clear that the evidence is not limited to the sheath DNA. On top of the other evidence linking BK to the murder house and the murders, contained in the affidavit, there is a mountain of forensic evidence from the house, and they have now had the opportunity to forensically examine his car and his apartment and his communication devices. There is so much evidence (yet to be presented in a court) BK has opted to wait until June 26 for a preliminary hearing so as to give his defence lawyers the chance to go through it and form their defence, rather than opting for a speedier timeframe.

There is a photo from SM posted on October 30th '22 that shows the apparent blood running down the exterior wall from X's bedroom was not there then. If you understand the layout of the house and the placement of the bed, it is clear how blood has seeped down there. It is not rust, unfortunately.

@GorgeousLadyofWrestling have you seen the photo? It doesn’t look like rust to me 😟

Oh gosh, that’s just awful. I had really wanted the comments on Reddit to be true. How does that work though…I feel really stupid but how would blood penetrate the outside wall?

I didn’t think I’d seen it refuted as being blood anywhere but thought I might have missed it. It did look like blood to me not rust.

American houses are made of wood/clapboard so very easy really.

The sheath was the sort that attached to a belt or a belt loop on a pair of trousers. It has been pulled loose during the struggle, or got caught between him and the two young women, as he committed the murders.

If he'd just picked up and touched the sheath at some point casually, then his DNA would be on other parts of it, but as the affidavit makes clear, it was only on the button fastening.

He obviously wore gloves.

There is a lot one can deduce by actually reading the affidavit.

You are deducing an awful lot from the affidavit, much of which may be correct but little of it is proven fact and that is my point. I'm quite sure the police have a lot of other evidence but that information is not in the public domain. I am not arguing his innocence just considering the weight of what we do know.

You are deducing an awful lot from the affidavit, much of which may be correct but little of it is proven fact and that is my point.

No, I have seen photos of the sheath style of the knife referred to in the affadavit. You could also google it.

As I entered this bedroom, I could see two females in the single bed in the room. Both Goncalves and Mogen were deceased with visible stab wounds. I also later noticed what appeared to be a tan leather knife sheath laying on the bed next to Mogen's right side (when viewed from the door). The sheath was later processed and had "Ka-Bar" 'USMC" and the Unicd State.s Marine Corps eagle globe and anchor insignia stamped on the outside of it. The Idaho state lab later located a single source of male DNA (suspect Profile) left on the button snap of the knife sheath.

Legal experts have described the affadavit as "rich" with evidence. As I keep saying, it has been made clear by the police, working with the FBI, that they have much more evidence, and even more now they have access to BK's property.

You can't get much more factual than DNA left on the scene; the rest of the (also circumstantial) evidence plus an eyewitness account, tends to place BK - who is surprise! - the owner of the suspect DNA at the scene.

He presumably doesn’t have an alibi either as there was no attempt to dismiss the charges at the hearing yesterday.

I think you'd be surprised at how many people don't have ring doorbells or personal cctv etc

I don't actually know if this house had any security film but I imagine if the police have found footage and haven't mentioned it then it's for good reason