To not be able to stop thinking about the Idaho murder case

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Is anyone else following this case? It’s absolutely horrible and has really scared me to the point of locking my bedroom door when I sleep every night! The more that comes out in the news, the more bizarre and confusing the case seems to get too. So scary to think what people are capable of 😞

I also looked at the picture to see what people meant as in my mind blood and rust look very different wet or dry. It definitely didn't look like rust to me

I think what PP means is that you can't jump to conclusions when the actual truth isn't known. Such as you say the knife sheath must have been worn on a belt but we don't actually know if it was on a belt and was pulled off by one of the girls or whether he was just holding it in a gloved hand etc.

I'm not explaining myself very well

or whether he was just holding it in a gloved hand

It is the sort of knife and sheath designed to be clipped onto the owner's apparel, not the sort of knife sheath designed to be held.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ka-Bar

BK made some stupendously dumb moves, but I really don't think he meant to leave behind an article linked to the style of knife known to have been involved in these hideous murders with his own DNA on it. Therefore, one can assume he didn't realise he had lost it in the dark and the mess of the scene he created.

Really, nothing will be clear until the trail, which may not be for years. But personally, I have more faith in the investigators on this case, including scores of highly experienced FBI officers, who were onto BK as early as November 25, from what I can recall, and have been amassing a digital trail as well as crime scene evidence patiently behind the scenes since the first morning of the crime up until and continuing on from now, than some dubious comments made on MN.

PP keeps saying oh the DNA isn't much, if that's a^^ll they've got, etc... It's a probable cause for arrest affidavit, not their full case.

It’s an extremely odd case. I’ve read quite a bit about and the one thing I just can’t get my head around is that the 911 call wasn’t made until 11.58am the next day, some 8 hours later. How can 4 people be stabbed to death (one seems to have tried to fight back as apparently had defence wounds) and there was no screaming or shouting at all. Yet one of roommates apparently heard soft crying, a male voice saying I will help you (or something like that) and then witnessed a masked man inside the house. Apparently saw/heard all that but then went to sleep for 8 hours. And then they seemed to have called friends to the house before calling 911 (I saw a report saying some of the cars on the drive belonged to friends or Ethans brother/sister) who arrived before police did. And then there was apparently talk of the 911 call referring to someone being unconscious and reports of the housemates trying to rouse one of the victims yet crime scene reports say the house was a total blood bath. So much doesn’t seem to make any sense.

@Casablanca78 It's not hard to understand. I have a 16 year old and a 19 year old and if the 19 year old had been out the night before she could easily sleep 'til 12. And BF was on the ground floor, the first floor as Americans call it so she genuinely did sleep through it all as per the initial police statements.

As for DM, she saw somebody leaving which was probably a bit alarming in the moment, alarming enough to retreat back in to her room and lock the door but you're applying the knowledge that we ended up with to judge her actions.

She saw a man leave. What she had heard was the dog moving about and voices but no shouting, yelping or screaming, no loud bangs or crashes. To suggest that she ought to have known that there were four dead people upstairs is not logical.

She went back in to her bedroom, no doubt felt a bit unsettled but probably got in to bed and told herself it was somebody who had been at the party earlier and crashed and then woke up, or told herself it was a friend of Ethan's or told herself that whoever he was he had left anyway, so then after dialoguing whatever fears had made her lock the door, she fell asleep. It's not hard to understand.

I really hope that his defence doesn't make something out of this as it shows a lack of understanding of teenagers, co-regulation (dialoguing with ourselves to re-settle after feeling unsettled) and it suggests she could possibly have imagined there were four dead people upstairs.

@JoyPeaceHealth absolutely not judging her at all just can’t understand her actions but I guess fear maybe does crazy things to you. I just found it odd that apparently she described him as a “masked man in dark clothing” as surely that’s not consistent with thinking it’s just a friend/party guest. And she saw him closely enough to describe he had bushy eyebrows. I just don’t get why you wouldn’t alert someone at that point. At 4 something in the morning you see a masked man all in dark clothing in your hallway surely that would scare the shit out of you? I know it would me. So yes, I’d retreat in and lock the door but I’d be terrified and absolutely then message or call someone. I have a teenager too and yes agree with what you’ve said and she couldn’t possibly have imagined what had gone on but equally two of those killed were on the same floor as her and not upstairs and apparently she came out of her room 3 times as heard noises. I don’t think she’s in any way responsible but just find the actions quite odd.

Have you seen the layout of the house? It's not possible to see where the two victims on the second floor where from Dylan's room.
I doubt it was that uncommon for people to be coming and going at all hours. There had been lots of parties going on that night. It's not beyond possible that she would have assumed that the mask was part of an outfit for a party. It's more reasonable than to expect the individual has just committed mass murder.

I also think it's possible/ probable that the friends were already on their way or in contact with Dylan or Bethany before they discovered their roommates dead. The first thing most teens do in the morning is reach for their phones! It's perfectly possible that arrangements were being made before the bodies were discovered.

Yes, I've seen a few 3d mock ups of the house on youtube.

If you go out today you'll still see the odd person wearing a mask so I don't think it would trigger any fear in itself the way it would have done 5 years ago.

And yeh, teens live off their phones and I don't see it as something that doesn't ''add up''. If my teens rang the police for some reason they'd also be keeping their friends in the loop

@Casablanca78 it's called functional freeze state. Whatever she saw that scared her, she retreated in to her room (flight). And eventually went to sleep (freeze) but also, just sleep.

After 'flight' back in to her room to lock the door she then rationalised what she'd seen to enable her to go to sleep/freeze.

Every day people hear noises, bangs, crashes, yelps that make them freeze and then they lie there, their heart pounding and tell themselves

• it is just the gutter rattling in the wind,

-it's the sweeping brush that was propped up falling over, -it's not a human yelp, it's a fox yelping''.

This is so normal. Within the theory of the sympathetic nervous system it's called regulation, where people bring themselves out of fight or flight.
We all do this every day. Not every bang or dirty look is a bear trying to eat our young.

There will be experts drafted in to explain during the trial no doubt as a lot of people will think like you and unfortunately his defence will use that.

"It is the sort of knife and sheath designed to be clipped onto the owner's apparel, not the sort of knife sheath designed to be held."

It may be but we don't KNOW for sure if he was wearing it in his belt. That's my point. Just because it should be worn on apparel doesn't mean it was.

@thewinterwitch and no one is saying we know better than the detectives involved for goodness sake, we are just trying to have a discussion about the case. I don't understand the aggression from you.

I am not sure how you are reading aggression into anything I have posted. The affadavit has been minimised repeatedly and/or misunderstood on this thread. I have tried to clarify facts as presented in it and what they infer. YMMV.

No, I have seen photos of the sheath style of the knife referred to in the affadavit.

I've seen an image of both the knife and the sheath and I'm not disputing his DNA was on the sheath BUT it is a movable object which means finding it at the scene does not prove that BK put it there.

I believe forensics consider a finger print left in the victim's blood at the scene as pretty conclusive but for pretty much everything else the defence will find a way to explain it. The affidavit is very rich in evidence but you are filling in the blanks with logical conclusions and I'm pointing out they are not facts.

The affidavit says nothing about BK wearing gloves at the scene, how could it? We can speculate that gloves were worn because there is no mention of finger print evidence associated with BK at the scene but his finger prints might not be at the scene because he wasn't there. There is also no mention of fibre evidence on the sheath or damage to the sheath belt loop so how do we know it was attached to his belt and came off during a struggle?

As a PP said I'm not jumping to conclusions, just dealing with what we actually know so far. I wouldn't describe your posting as aggressive but "you could Google it yourself" is passive aggressive which is a bit unnecessary and assumes you have a superior knowledge.

I think what PP means is that you can't jump to conclusions when the actual truth isn't known. Such as you say the knife sheath must have been worn on a belt but we don't actually know if it was on a belt and was pulled off by one of the girls or whether he was just holding it in a gloved hand etc.

I'm not explaining myself very well

You're explaining yourself perfectly well and you understand the point I'm making.

I agree. The DNA on the sheath is simply enough evidence to make an arrest and issue warrants for access to his car and home.
I do also wonder and perhaps fear that other more conclusive evidence he may have left might be kept under wraps due to the level of horror of what happened.

Just been watching a tiktok with screenshots of someone saying they sold the knife to BK, and he was with a second man at the time. That second person was killed in a shootout at The Washington university where BK was a phd student on the 15th Dec. No idea how true it is.

Other persons name is Brent Kopacka

She suffered night terrors for years , at first assumed it was one of those and was drunk, everyone in the house had been drinking, she gave the description that helped police find Bryan Kohberger, she’s now suffered awful attacks online saying she was in on the murders.
The police didn’t release a lot of details (the knife case left in the bed) to stop false accusations.

BK mentioned this incident when he was pulled over by the police as he drove to his parents home.
Interesting

According to various news outlets, the other person was former military. If they were connected, I wonder if BK was trying to frame the other?

I have thought since the affidavit came out that he has deliberately got himself arrested by leaving just enough evidence to make him a suspect but is planning on going free at trial and this may be another piece to this puzzle in terms of part of his plan, he wants to prove how clever he is I reckon

There is also no mention of fibre evidence on the sheath or damage to the sheath belt loop so how do we know it was attached to his belt and came off during a struggle?

It's just a logical supposition - one which Kaylee's father has also made - given the style of the sheath, rather than he was carrying it for some reason in his hand and forgot he dropped it and did not notice for the rest of the time in the house and up until and after reaching his car and driving it away that it was not in his hand. Of course, he could have entered the house with the knife in its sheath between his teeth like a tango dancer's rose! But that is less likely. It is a button attachment, there would not be any damage to the sheath, but the DNA was found within the button clasp itself. No other male DNA was found on it. If BK just handled it and all the other evidence presented so far which paints a pretty compelling picture of placing him at the scene was just coincidence, that would be an astonishing amount of coincidences.

I wouldn't describe your posting as aggressive but "you could Google it yourself" is passive aggressive which is a bit unnecessary and assumes you have a superior knowledge.

I had seen it in a news article, quite recently, and had prior to that assumed like many outside the US that it was a standard sort of sheath that one would hold in one's hand. But I have no idea where I saw it, so I said, you could Google it yourself. It is a lot easier to see than to explain and expect people to visualise.

Anyway, I have not been able to discuss this case with anyone, have read a ludicrous amount, and was keen to go over it, but if anyone finds my posting style offensive they can just squint and move on.

"Anyway, I have not been able to discuss this case with anyone, have read a ludicrous amount, and was keen to go over it, but if anyone finds my posting style offensive they can just squint and move on."

That's exactly what we're doing though, discussing it. Taking different aspects and looking at the different possibilities is a discussion. Telling people to 'squint and move on' just adds an unnecessary layer of confrontation. We've all been reading about this case. I don't know why you're so sure that you're opinion is the only correct one.

Telling people to 'squint and move on' just adds an unnecessary layer of confrontation.

Oh, my god. I was saying ignore me. It is not compulsory to read all posts. You have chastised me for "aggression". You are reading aggression where it isn't. Frankly, you are starting to sound aggressive. Please leave me alone.

It's just a logical supposition

Exactly, your logical supposition about the sheath is not a fact but you keep presenting your speculation as something so self evident only truly stupid people would doubt it's accuracy. I'm happy to speculate and discuss opinions but I try not to confuse what I think makes sense with what we actually know to be true.

The "Google it" nonsense assumes I haven't already done any research on a case I'm clearly showing an interest in but you appear to be confused about the button snap, it was attached to a tab used to hold the knife in the sheath and not to secure the sheath to a belt. It was a military knife, it would be a bit of a liability if it could just fall off when placed under strain. The leather folds over at the top to provide a loop to thread a belt through.

It's just a discussion, there's no need for it to be combative.

The "Google it" nonsense assumes I haven't already done any research on a case I'm clearly showing an interest in but you appear to be confused about the button snap, it was attached to a tab used to hold the knife in the sheath and not to secure the sheath to a belt.

That's not what the Americans who use this sort of knife are saying.

I find the tone of your last post really rude, and regret trying to clarify my intention and meaning.

Please do feel free to ignore my posts.