Page 12 | To not be able to stop thinking about the Idaho murder case

redbigbananafeet · 10/01/2023 23:36

Rickandmortified100 · 07/01/2023 14:45

Is anyone else following this case? It’s absolutely horrible and has really scared me to the point of locking my bedroom door when I sleep every night! The more that comes out in the news, the more bizarre and confusing the case seems to get too. So scary to think what people are capable of 😞

Please don't lock your bedroom door at night. It's a horrendous fire safety risk I believe.

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Rickandmortified100 · 10/01/2023 23:36

NotAnotherBathBomb · 10/01/2023 20:42

Thanks for clearing that up

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Oh… just seen this! That makes more sense!

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Rickandmortified100 · 10/01/2023 23:42

CoffeeBoy · 10/01/2023 19:59

It’s horrendous, I feel so sorry for Dylan, she must have been in total shock that night. But must admit I find it bizarre that the 911 call was to report an unconscious housemate when apparently it was like a blood bath.

he certainly seems to have been casing the house, one of the dead girls reported (not officially reported I don’t th8nk)being stalked.

i’m normally one for believing in innocent until proven guilty but can’t see he’s go8ng to manage to talk his way out of this. Dna at the scene, phone switched off during the event time, phone records show him hanging around by the house at previous times. His car seen driving away.

A neighbour said that the 911 call was actually not for the victims but for one of the surviving roommates who has passed out when they found what had happened. The person who called 911 (I believe the neighbour) called for the unconscious person without understanding what had happened yet.

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Rickandmortified100 · 10/01/2023 23:46

I was listening to a podcast about a cold case in the US where the murder was committed by a meth addict. They were discussing how people on meth commit absolutely horrific and seemingly random murders. Otherwise reasonable people when under the influence of meth become just cruel and sadistic and violent and out of control. Could BK have been visiting Moscow to buy drugs? There were certainly drug dealers around (Dylan’s boyfriend included) who, although in a student town probably focussed on party drugs, might have been able to get hold of meth too. Could he have known/known of the girls and just chosen them at random in a weird meth rage because they were the people who just happened to live in the area that he was in at this time? I don’t know much about meth, but on Reddit posters in the US who presumably see it a lot more have said that BK has some of the physical unhealthy traits of someone who takes meth.

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thewinterwitch · 10/01/2023 23:51

ImprobablePuffin · 10/01/2023 21:37

I just read this is an article online:

"Their smoking gun was the DNA evidence against Kohberger; a sample found on the button snap of a knife sheath left at the scene was a 99.98 percent match to DNA taken from his family home, that could only belong to him or his father."

Is it worrying that the tiny bit of DNA is the 'smoking gun'? As PP have said, other people have got off crimes because the DNA evidence was so small.

The same article also says:

"Now, Shannon Gray - the attorney representing Kaylee's family - says Kohberger didn't even know any of the victims.
'No one knew of this guy at all,' Gray said in an interview with Business Insider. "
So it would seem there was no obvious link and it's not necessarily true that he had been in the property for parties etc

That's not their only evidence. They have a massive amount of evidence, included in the affidavit.

d.newsweek.com/en/file/465416/bryan-kohberger-probable-cause-affidavit.pdf

The affidavit is pretty damning, but the fact he left his knife sheath on the bed next to the stabbed bodies of two murdered women, and that sheath had his dna on it (presumably from an occasion prior to the murder when he opened it without wearing gloves), is really damning. But since his arrest, they would have even more evidence, collected from his apartment, devices, and his car.

justgettingthroughtheday · 10/01/2023 23:52

Rickandmortified100 · 10/01/2023 23:46

I was listening to a podcast about a cold case in the US where the murder was committed by a meth addict. They were discussing how people on meth commit absolutely horrific and seemingly random murders. Otherwise reasonable people when under the influence of meth become just cruel and sadistic and violent and out of control. Could BK have been visiting Moscow to buy drugs? There were certainly drug dealers around (Dylan’s boyfriend included) who, although in a student town probably focussed on party drugs, might have been able to get hold of meth too. Could he have known/known of the girls and just chosen them at random in a weird meth rage because they were the people who just happened to live in the area that he was in at this time? I don’t know much about meth, but on Reddit posters in the US who presumably see it a lot more have said that BK has some of the physical unhealthy traits of someone who takes meth.

That's interesting... there is discussion online about Maddie's mother being arrested (not clear when) but possibly over drugs.

Polik · 10/01/2023 23:54

OneFrenchEgg · 10/01/2023 23:21

I read the ex boyfriend has it full time

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Are there any theories on why the (barking, noisy) Dog was not stabbed by BK?

OneFrenchEgg · 11/01/2023 00:00

Are there any theories on why the (barking, noisy) Dog was not stabbed by BK?

Yes speculation obviously -

dog was found shut in a room so wouldn't have been an issue
bk is a vegan and killing an animal would be against his views

OneFrenchEgg · 11/01/2023 00:01

That's interesting... there is discussion online about Maddie's mother being arrested (not clear when) but possibly over drugs.

Xana's mother? In December? That's the only speculation/rumour I've seen

BertaHoon · 11/01/2023 00:04

TheDietStartsTomorrowOrMaybeTheDayAfter · 07/01/2023 21:16

That made me laugh too, so cliched 😂

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Me too. Plus of course they don't lock their doors in horror films. The Americans, I've noticed like to investigate a crime alone in the dark too. Especially when the porch seat is swinging on a night with no air, on it's rusty hinges.

You guys!

Sleeptightnightlight · 11/01/2023 00:50

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 08/01/2023 11:08

We need to bear in mind too that its likely they were all very drunk. So questioning who did or didn't do what needs to be considered from a point of "they could have been absoloutley smashed" so aren't going to be thinking or acting with a 100% clear head.

Yes! Pages of speculation on who did what or why people didn't hear/react to things, but it's 4am in a party house, they were undoubtedly drunk/on drugs. Much easier to stab people who are too innebriated to put up much of a fight (if they are not passed out cold).

If you see or hear some weird shit but you are hammered I can totally see deciding to sleep it off seeming the sensible course of action. What's more likely - that your drunk and freaked yourself out over nothing or a there's a murderer in the house?

WedonttalkaboutMaureen · 11/01/2023 00:58

Should not have read this thread at 1am. It's very bizarre but lots more to come to light I'm sure.

BertaHoon · 11/01/2023 01:05

TangledBlue · 10/01/2023 13:15

The Idaho murders are scarier because the victims were chosen at random and stalked by a total stranger. It’s something that could happen to any one of us (although exceptionally unlikely).

The case you mention is horrible but doesn’t scare me, because I wouldn’t date a man who was electronically tagged, a cocaine addict and has a history of arson, GBH and robbing a newsagent with a knife. So it’s not something that could have happened to me.

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What an utterly disgusting and callous thing to say @TangledBlue

Victim blaming at it's best. Sickening. Do you blame the parents of the daughter they let sleep over too?

This case is way worse than what is being discussed in Idaho because it includes child murder and rape.

You sicken me.

I'm sure you'll shrug it off with your life superiority though. Do come back when you've grown up.

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Rickandmortified100 · 11/01/2023 04:57

BertaHoon · 11/01/2023 01:05

What an utterly disgusting and callous thing to say @TangledBlue

Victim blaming at it's best. Sickening. Do you blame the parents of the daughter they let sleep over too?

This case is way worse than what is being discussed in Idaho because it includes child murder and rape.

You sicken me.

I'm sure you'll shrug it off with your life superiority though. Do come back when you've grown up.

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Umm… normally I don’t pick on what posters say like this because I don’t care but as you’re calling another poster ‘callous’ and ‘disgusting’, it just occurred to me that as far as callous behaviour goes, it is pretty gross to rate murders and decide which one is ‘worse’.

It’s okay to say that we personally are more scared of one than the other because that’s our own opinions that we are all entitled to.

But I very much don’t think that the British murder is ‘worse’ in the sense of more tragic or more horrific.

They’re both absolutely horrific cases, and in both cases young, innocent lives were brutally ended.

I’m not sure Xana, Ethan, Kaylee and Maddie’s parents would agree with you that the British murder is ‘worse’ or in any way a greater loss than the loss of their 4.

As if, because their child is a mere 2 years over 18, so technically an adult, their brutal slaughter is somehow less tragic. As if they’re like “Well, thank God it happened now and not two years ago because then that WOULD have been a tragedy!”

If we are going to sort of pick on people for their use of words then your comment about one murder being ‘worse’ than the other would be the thing I’d find more callous personally.

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Tescoland · 11/01/2023 07:35

redbigbananafeet · 10/01/2023 23:36

Please don't lock your bedroom door at night. It's a horrendous fire safety risk I believe.

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Death by fire or knife man? We should all ponder over it..

Potterurotter · 11/01/2023 07:50

I don’t think it was random, Goncalves’ father said to the media that there have been links established between BK and KC but he can’t say what they are at this time. I think he was a marauder he was known to be making regular drive bys in the period leading up to the homicide, he stalked staked them out and then killed. He knew the number of people going in and out of the property for parties and the ‘formal’ which was supposedly on the 11th according to the residents’ Instagram posts made it opportunistic also the layout of the house being over two thousand square feet across different levels gave him an advantage

Greatly · 11/01/2023 08:42

But I very much don’t think that the British murder is ‘worse’ in the sense of more tragic or more horrific

I think it's utterly bizarre to be so creepily invested in the American murders that you've made yourself scared if you live in the UK - or in the US for that matter. If you are a college girl in the States then I could understand it. But this obsession with it, to the extent you are dismissive about the UK case, is truly bizarre. Is it Tiktok that makes people like this? Or YouTube and the endless conspiracy theories? Were you made scared by the school shootings in the US? Or stabbings in London?

CoffeeBoy · 11/01/2023 08:43

BertaHoon · 11/01/2023 01:05

What an utterly disgusting and callous thing to say @TangledBlue

Victim blaming at it's best. Sickening. Do you blame the parents of the daughter they let sleep over too?

This case is way worse than what is being discussed in Idaho because it includes child murder and rape.

You sicken me.

I'm sure you'll shrug it off with your life superiority though. Do come back when you've grown up.

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As an ex criminology student I can promise you that way of thinking/opinion when considering fear of crime is a well recognised phenomena. Doesn't mean it's right or logical but the majority of people will think along these lines to some extent. We fear the unknown, we fear the bogey man. We don't fear our husbands or boyfriends even though the data shows they're the bigger risk. Everyone thinks that won't happen to them.

NotAnotherBathBomb · 11/01/2023 09:16

Greatly · 11/01/2023 08:42

But I very much don’t think that the British murder is ‘worse’ in the sense of more tragic or more horrific

I think it's utterly bizarre to be so creepily invested in the American murders that you've made yourself scared if you live in the UK - or in the US for that matter. If you are a college girl in the States then I could understand it. But this obsession with it, to the extent you are dismissive about the UK case, is truly bizarre. Is it Tiktok that makes people like this? Or YouTube and the endless conspiracy theories? Were you made scared by the school shootings in the US? Or stabbings in London?

Tescoland · 11/01/2023 09:21

Greatly · 11/01/2023 08:42

But I very much don’t think that the British murder is ‘worse’ in the sense of more tragic or more horrific

I think it's utterly bizarre to be so creepily invested in the American murders that you've made yourself scared if you live in the UK - or in the US for that matter. If you are a college girl in the States then I could understand it. But this obsession with it, to the extent you are dismissive about the UK case, is truly bizarre. Is it Tiktok that makes people like this? Or YouTube and the endless conspiracy theories? Were you made scared by the school shootings in the US? Or stabbings in London?

I find it bizarre too. It is certainly an interesting, bone-chilling and mind-boggling case but it’s still early days and I’m sure it will be solved eventually as all the pieces of the puzzle are slowly being put together.
But to say it makes me scared for my life in the UK when we are thousands of miles apart and I can’t sleep? Nope. That would be downright ridiculous. The other day there was a knifing not very far from where I live. Did it stop me from going out and do my usual things? Nope.
I think it certainly receives a larger media coverage because it’s about blonde middle-class pretty girls. If the same thing happened to some black students in Alabama, it would be out of the news in max. 2 days.

foxlover47 · 11/01/2023 10:16

I think if people are suggesting it has scared them it's nothing to do with the logistics of where it took place but more so that it's reminded them
Of the dangers that are always present and being asleep in your bed where you should feel safe and are at your most vulnerable can happen to anyone at anytime.

Greatly · 11/01/2023 10:37

I think it certainly receives a larger media coverage because it’s about blonde middle-class pretty girls

Definitely. The attitude that the UK murders wouldn't happen to you because you wouldn't live with an ex addict ex criminal is really awful.

justgettingthroughtheday · 11/01/2023 10:41

foxlover47 · 11/01/2023 10:16

I think if people are suggesting it has scared them it's nothing to do with the logistics of where it took place but more so that it's reminded them
Of the dangers that are always present and being asleep in your bed where you should feel safe and are at your most vulnerable can happen to anyone at anytime.

Yep exactly. It's the reminder of the risks and how it could happen to any of us that frightens people.
I find it quite sad how some posters on this thread seem to want to belittle how others feel. Great if it doesn't make you anxious but please open your minds to the fact that it does concern others and that doesn't make them stupid or silly.

Greatly · 11/01/2023 10:43

What risks?!! Are you serious? A reminder of the risks. I'm willing to bet the risk of a meth head breaking into your house and killing your family are lower than being kicked to death by a donkey.

justgettingthroughtheday · 11/01/2023 10:46

Greatly · 11/01/2023 10:43

What risks?!! Are you serious? A reminder of the risks. I'm willing to bet the risk of a meth head breaking into your house and killing your family are lower than being kicked to death by a donkey.

Yet only a few months ago a child was killed at home by a gunman who forced their way inside. They had nothing to do with the child or her family. He was chasing someone else who forced their way in to the nearest property.

Things do happen. Rarely I agree but we are all mortal!