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Lodger cranks up heating to 25

582 replies

Mumskisail · 05/01/2023 10:37

My partner left a few years ago and I had time off work for burnout and now in a less stressful (lower paid) role so on a tight income. I rent 2 rooms to help cover my mortgage and bills (about 40%).

The house is heated to 18-21 degrees depending on the room / personal preference, using Nest thermostats (called TRVs) on each radiator. It is lowered at 11pm until 5.30am, meaning it's warm for about an hour after going to bed and it heats up for a few hours before the lodgers get up.

One lodger is very happy with this and prefers a cooler room so sometimes turns it down.

But the other constantly overrides this and heats his room to 25. When I've tried to speak to him about it he answers his door in a tshirt and is only wearing normal socks. The rest of us have warm clothes, slippers and big fleece hoodies on winter evenings, and use fleece blankets to stay cosy on the sofa.

We seem to be in a battle of wills. He goes along with my suggested times and temperatures in discussion but has done everything including claiming his radiator and the TRV don't work, disconnecting the TRV but trying to make it look as though it's connected, saying it won't connect and pulling the little pin out with a pair of pliers to force the heating on. He leaves it on all night. The thermostat when it's reading says 25-26.

The other issue in this old Victorian house is that the heating pumping out all night causes banging in the pipes and keeps myself and the other lodger awake, or wakes us up in the night. So we prefer lots of layers and a quiet night unless we're in a cold patch.

I've offered him extra duvets and blankets (his looks thin) and a hot water bottle but he refuses. I've asked him to discuss the times he wants the heating on and to talk about the heating.

He says the temperature reading is wrong so I gave him a wireless thermostat which showed the same temperature as the TRV and showed it was correct.

I've explained about the increasing cost of gas and showed him my bills. I've showed him the temperatures in the rest of the house and that we are comfortable.

This is the second winter we are having these issues. Last year his sister died so I just kept my mouth shut and left him to it but I felt really unhappy.

Do I just suck it up, winter will be over soon and I'm not making a loss. Or do I tell him it's not acceptable and ask him to leave? Or is it better the devil you know, this is the only issue.

A friend suggested a locking cover to go over the TRV, I'm so irritated it's tempting but is that really ethical? And anyway would he then just get an electric heater? I don't go into his room and I would never snoop.

He's a 44 year old man having to rent a room and it must be his sanctuary and private space.

Do I just let him win the battle and chill out?

OP posts:
pattihews · 06/01/2023 09:35

WisherWood · 06/01/2023 08:26

I actually feel sad that I can't get through to him. I don't want a battle.

Find a man, any man will do. Give him a script, get him to read it to the lodger. You'll magically find your words become clear and accurate when said by a man.

This! Currently dealing with builders. They don't listen to a thing I say, even though I'm paying the bills. But my male next door neighbour... If he makes a suggestion or echoes something I've said, they take notice.

restorativejustice · 06/01/2023 09:38

He has been dishonest and is unwilling to live in the house as it is - you sound very reasonable in terms of explaining the heating system and when it will be on to what temperature. For the lying, tampering and plain ignorant behaviour I'd give him notice.

Letthekidsplay · 06/01/2023 09:44

Put a code on the nest and set the temperature

LieInsAreExtinct · 06/01/2023 10:08

Just put up his rent by the percentage you estimate the cost has increased. Not fair on other lodger if they are subsidising his bills, in effect. If he's ok in all other aspects, I wouldn't want to be hasty in asking him to leave.

Zonder · 06/01/2023 10:26

LieInsAreExtinct · 06/01/2023 10:08

Just put up his rent by the percentage you estimate the cost has increased. Not fair on other lodger if they are subsidising his bills, in effect. If he's ok in all other aspects, I wouldn't want to be hasty in asking him to leave.

He's not really ok in other aspects though is he? Not if he totally disrespects the OP.

MrsSkylerWhite · 06/01/2023 10:31

WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps

“No way is 25 C warm? 😂 Dtop talking such utter crap“

Rude. I’m not talking crap. I said it’s not warm, it’s hot. Try reading it again.

Cakeorchocolate · 06/01/2023 11:07

Could you have a discussion with him and offer to increase his rent to cover the increased energy costs vs him having to leave? See which he would prefer to do?

You could allow him to use the heating to his comfort level during the day and use an oil filled elec radiator overnight so as not to disturb you and your other lodger with the noisy pipes?

SnowlayRoundabout · 06/01/2023 12:14

HotChoxs · 05/01/2023 13:17

I see, so instead of backing up and realising that it's a business dealing with a human being and that this can be seen as discriminatory, particularly as it could have been addressed months ago, you're going to try and reframe this as me losing an argument.

Not going to work I'm afraid, years of experience mean I know what I'm talking about.

Come off it. Making up facts to try to suit your argument just doesn't work. There is simply no evidence that discrimination is of any relevance whatsoever.

pattihews · 06/01/2023 13:01

Cakeorchocolate · 06/01/2023 11:07

Could you have a discussion with him and offer to increase his rent to cover the increased energy costs vs him having to leave? See which he would prefer to do?

You could allow him to use the heating to his comfort level during the day and use an oil filled elec radiator overnight so as not to disturb you and your other lodger with the noisy pipes?

Her house, her rules, as MN loves to say. His room is heated to 21 degrees, which is perfectly acceptable and what you'd expect of a decent hotel. It's not unreasonable for the OP to expect him to sleep with an extra blanket or two on his bed when it's cold (and it's not even very cold at the moment). When he has a property of his own he can put the thermostat up to 30 and sleep naked if he wants.

BradfordGirl · 06/01/2023 13:02

OP has agreed to increase the temperature to 21 degrees. It was not at 21 degrees beforehand. I agree 21 degrees is fine.

Calphurnia88 · 06/01/2023 13:06

BradfordGirl · 06/01/2023 13:02

OP has agreed to increase the temperature to 21 degrees. It was not at 21 degrees beforehand. I agree 21 degrees is fine.

Are you the lodger's spokesperson/legal representative?

Your commitment to defending him is almost commendable.

Calphurnia88 · 06/01/2023 13:08

...or at the very least, intriguing.

RandomMess · 06/01/2023 13:08

I would put his board up massively and then hopefully he'll decide to go of his own accord.

Honestly I would give him notice and get him out before the next cold snap. He is being so disrespectful to you and will be costing you so much more money than you realise.

WisherWood · 06/01/2023 14:01

BradfordGirl · 06/01/2023 00:54

I am sure if he could afford his own place he would have chosen that.

I lodged for a few years. One landlady was a nice person, but not always easy to live with. The other was flat out nasty. The nice one used to rehang my washing on the line. This was not because I'd put it in the wrong place or because it was somewhere that might make the house damp. It was because she thought that, as an adult in my late 30s, I still hadn't worked out the correct way to hang washing and needed her help to do so. It was infantilising and disempowering, right at a point in my life when I felt a lot of power had been taken away from me anyway.

The nasty one just used to tell me I was lucky to be able to live in her house and she was kind to let me. I never pointed out to her that I was paying her to do so and that my rent was funding her trip to see her daughter in Australia. The more time I spent with her, the less I was surprised that her daughter had moved to the other side of the world. Between the two of them I vowed to make damn sure I never had to lodge anywhere, ever again. The crappiest bedsit and the most bone crushing poverty is easier to stomach.

Frankly, we need better social housing and a universal basic income. But this isn't going to happen. And so we're left with people who do need to lodge and others who benefit from their rent. And you need to be able to accommodate each other. The OP has tried to compromise. She's been met by lies and someone trying to damage her property. Yes, lodging is shit. But, sensory issues aside, you do yourself no favours if you refuse to wear socks and a pair of trousers during the British winter. It's not rocket science.

Mumskisail · 06/01/2023 15:05

BradfordGirl · 06/01/2023 13:02

OP has agreed to increase the temperature to 21 degrees. It was not at 21 degrees beforehand. I agree 21 degrees is fine.

You are talking crap again. His room
has always been at 21. I haven't 'agreed' to turn it up. As I have repeatedly explained to you I am comfortable at 18 with a cosy sweater but I recognise he prefers it warmer.

OP posts:
BradfordGirl · 06/01/2023 16:20

I was convinced you said that. Sorry if you haven't, but when I have time I will read the thread again.

HomeTheatreSystem · 06/01/2023 17:11

There's nothing to discuss really. It's a matter of compatibility: he wants to lounge around in the warmth unencumbered by clothing whilst you and the other lodger would rather wear layers and keep the ambient temperature a little lower. I'd not bother with a discussion, just give him notice and a warning that any piss taking behaviour in the notice period will result in him being chucked out quick smart. He's a lodger in your home, not a tenant.

Soothsayer1 · 06/01/2023 17:24

HomeTheatreSystem · 06/01/2023 17:11

There's nothing to discuss really. It's a matter of compatibility: he wants to lounge around in the warmth unencumbered by clothing whilst you and the other lodger would rather wear layers and keep the ambient temperature a little lower. I'd not bother with a discussion, just give him notice and a warning that any piss taking behaviour in the notice period will result in him being chucked out quick smart. He's a lodger in your home, not a tenant.

I agree, he needs to find lodgings with other lightly clothed loungers (and suck up the ensuing fuel bills) leaving the frugal 'hat and jumper brigade' to live according to thier own value system!

mylifestory · 06/01/2023 17:45

1 weeks notice for a lodger. Tell him heating how u set it or that's the alternative. Is he Jamaican or something and wants to recreate it?

GreenShadow · 06/01/2023 17:51

Wiluli · 05/01/2023 21:11

Sorry but unless you explained to them they had to wear winter clothes inside their room you are being teh unreasonable one . There is no way I would not wear anything but a t shirt in my home , I hate the feeling of layers let alone in my bedroom .

I'm sure we all hate wearing lots of layers, but some of us also care about the planet.

I'd love to live in a t-shirt and shorts like in July, but what a waste of fuel!

If prices continue to rise, even you will surely have to start getting used to wearing more clothes to keep warm.

inloveandmarried · 06/01/2023 18:01

He's a lodger not a tenant. He shares your personal space.

Talk to him. You can say this set up isn't working for you if this issue with the heating being on at night isn't resolved. Ask him to purchase a heated blanket.

If it doesn't improve ask him to leave. You don't even have to give a long notice period as he doesn't have a tenancy. It's basically down to your good will.

Don't put up with feeling compromised in your own home for a minute longer. There are many lodgers waiting for a nice house space.

T1Dmama · 06/01/2023 18:05

Personally I’d increase his rent and tell him it’s to cover the extra heating he’s using. If he doesn’t like it he is free to leave.

Stewball01 · 06/01/2023 18:07

That's all very well but what about banging pipes and her nerves. Get rid of the bugger

greennavy · 06/01/2023 18:13

Put the rent up.

Sennelier1 · 06/01/2023 18:16

I'm afraid if you raise his rent he will reason : if I have to pay that extra money I will also run an electric heater and an electric blanket.

Send him away. He can go and find another place, he seems assured enough to talk himself in.

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