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Are they all hiding in a fucking fridge?

627 replies

noblegiraffe · 02/01/2023 22:37

The government? Where is the leadership? The reassurance that the problem is being addressed with urgency? Cobra meetings? Horrendous stories coming out of A&E departments right now.

Steve Barclay, the Health Secretary today announced on twitter that people should download the Couch to 5k app to reduce pressure on the NHS.

twitter.com/stevebarclay/status/1609957311610556416?s=61&t=rHTkCD1w_H9OmH9UB2E4UQ

Do your fucking job, Steve. And Rishi, show some leadership. You bloody wanted this job so badly, where have you gone?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-64142614

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Noonesperfect · 03/01/2023 21:27

Sorry I was talking to Mamabear

Clavinova · 03/01/2023 21:27

Alexandra2001
Even Eustice says the Aussi one is bad for UK

Doesn't seem to be a problem here;
The Australia - UK free trade deal is set to come into force in the autumn. ^According to AHDB analysis, this could lead to a large increase of Australian lamb into the UK in percentage terms, although from a relatively low base level.
While we may see higher lamb volumes arrive from Australia, these are more likely to replace volumes from elsewhere than increase total UK imports.^

ahdb.org.uk/lamb-market-outlook-july-2022

Japan? worse than the EU one

Seems ok to me -

December 2022
Japan, Britain and Italy plan sixth-generation fighter jet to rival world’s most-advanced warplanes
The British statement said a 2021 analysis by PricewaterhouseCoopers predicted the new warplane program could support about 21,000 jobs a year by 2050 and contribute an estimated $32.1 billion (£26.2 billion) to the economy.

edition.cnn.com/2022/12/09/asia/japan-uk-italy-new-fighter-plane-deal-intl-hnk-ml/index.html

We may yet join the CPTPP -

www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/10/09/business/japan-britain-trans-pacific-free-trade-pact/

Borders? don't make me laugh! working well with France isn't it?

Improving - Jan 2023
UK Border Force officers have begun patrolling French beaches in co-operation with local personnel for the first time in a bid to halt the flow of migrants crossing the English Channel.

www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/national/23223179.border-force-patrolling-french-beaches-local-officers/

justasking111 · 03/01/2023 21:28

www.rte.ie/news/health/2023/0103/1344559-hse-health/

Meanwhile inside the EU things are difficult

GPTec1 · 03/01/2023 21:32

Shelefttheweb · 03/01/2023 20:47

In terms of inflation - the average across the EU is higher than the UK. In October the Netherlands reached nearly 17% and Hungary was 23% in November. France has the advantage of most of its electrical generation being nuclear so not so sensitive to oil prices or restrictions.

Yes France does & we produce around 60% p.a of our gas, why isn't that reflected in UK bills? we are now paying more for gas than Europe does.
Spain? 7% inflation.
Holland is less than 10% now.

EU combined inflation is identical to the UK's atm but UK gilt yields are soaring ahead of our major competitor economies and thats very bad for borrowing costs going forward.

But my real point was in regard to the NHS , all countries have had covid19 and the effects of Ukraine but why is the UK being hit so hard?

I can assure you that neither France, Germany or Spain are seeing their Hospitals and Ambulances collapse like ours are.

Clavinova · 03/01/2023 21:35

Kendodd
what's our water quality like now?

Not bad apparently -

December 1, 2022
97% of English bathing waters meet required water quality standards.

The results, released on 30 November, show that for the 2022 bathing season, 72.1% of beaches and inland waters met the ‘Excellent’ standard, the highest since new stringent standards were introduced in 2015.

www.watermagazine.co.uk/2022/12/01/97-of-english-bathing-waters-meet-required-water-quality-standards-according-to-ea/

Shelefttheweb · 03/01/2023 21:35

Kendodd · 03/01/2023 21:24

And to those advocating co-pay, insurance, charges or privatisation for the NHS, I would point out that much of the problems in A&E are caused by blockages in the care system. The care system is private, mostly, for profit and a shambles.

So is primary care - GP practices.

Keskadale · 03/01/2023 21:37

justasking111 · 03/01/2023 21:28

www.rte.ie/news/health/2023/0103/1344559-hse-health/

Meanwhile inside the EU things are difficult

ROI less than 1000 patients waiting for a hospital bed.

UK 381,000 patients waited for than 12hours for a bed in 2022.

Yes things are terrible but its not in the EU.

Shelefttheweb · 03/01/2023 21:39

Yes France does & we produce around 60% p.a of our gas, why isn't that reflected in UK bills? we are now paying more for gas than Europe does.

Gas is a global commodity and prices are fixed in the global market.

justasking111 · 03/01/2023 21:40

amp.theguardian.com/society/2022/dec/14/a-ticking-time-bomb-healthcare-under-threat-across-western-europe

European healthcare is in dire straits

Keskadale · 03/01/2023 21:40

Germany has 480,000 beds, the UK 110,000.... i wont bore you with comparisons on nurse and doctor numbers, you know who they favour.

Yes things are terrible but not in Germany.

Your re wasting your time, maybe focus on the UK instead?

Keskadale · 03/01/2023 21:42

justasking111 · 03/01/2023 21:40

Tiresome.

Spain 70,000 waiting for treatment, UK 7.2m.

Germany 35k vacancies, UK 135k in NHS and 150k in social care....

justasking111 · 03/01/2023 21:42

Keskadale · 03/01/2023 21:40

Germany has 480,000 beds, the UK 110,000.... i wont bore you with comparisons on nurse and doctor numbers, you know who they favour.

Yes things are terrible but not in Germany.

Your re wasting your time, maybe focus on the UK instead?

Germany also has cash flow problems, the government will need a bailout package for some.

BirmaBrite · 03/01/2023 21:50

121 patients waiting to be seen, longest waiting time at 70 hours. 100 patients needing to be admitted - currently on trollies and chairs. Zero beds available in the hospital. And that was just how they were starting the day!

I just really felt this needed repeating, one of those 100 people needing a bed could be your child or a parent or a spouse in a weeks time. It could mean the call that cancels your operation that you have been patiently waiting for.

This is not normal, I have worked in the NHS for 20+ years. Have we had dreadful Winter weeks in the past ? Absolutely ! Anything of this scale, no. I remember working the wards when you would be constantly harassed because a paitent in A&E was going to 'breach' at 4 hours. That was over 6 years ago and even then we didn't have enough beds, 100,000 for 56 million people is always going to be a tight squeeze !

noblegiraffe · 03/01/2023 21:51

I don't live in France or Germany, I live in England.

Do those people posting whataboutery not care? Do they not worry that their child might get ill and not be able to get treatment? That elderly parents might end up lying in the garden overnight under a makeshift tent waiting for an ambulance?

That they might have an accident and be left wondering where to go as their injuries are not life threatening?

And in all of this, the best the government can do is say that it's a challenge and they're doing all they can while not actually appearing to do anything?

No big deal, here's some shite about some other country.

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justasking111 · 03/01/2023 21:55

I was addressing the posters blaming the state of the NHS on Brexit. We aren't an island but a global village. Health services across the world are being decimated. Governments resolutely close mouthed.

It's as if there's a plan being put in place accelerating now

ssd · 03/01/2023 21:57

Couldn't agree more.

That £350k on the bus we were promised after brexit would come in handy now.

SirCharlesRainier · 03/01/2023 22:02

Iam4eels · 02/01/2023 23:33

Throw money at it. They can afford it, they found billions in contracts for their mates during covid, they can afford to fund the NHS.

Streamline visas and immigration approval so we can fill staffing gaps from abroad. This will ease staffing pressures and working conditions for existing staff.

Reorganise management, especially on the non-clinical side. When I worked in the NHS (non-clinical) I had a shift manager who I reported to, I also had a team manager who I also reported to, I also had a department manager who I also reported to. Questions about the job at hand - shift manager. Leave requests, task assignments/duties, rota - team manager. Performance reviews, HR issues, etc - department manager. A role divided amongst three people that could have been done by one. This needs to change.

Run a huge educational ad campaign to show people which services they need to access and when. As part of this campaign, educate people on how to self-care for minor ailments and when to seek medical advice. Invest in out of hours GP services so patients don't resort to A&E as their only option. My area uses out of hours hubs where local practices group together and take it in turns to provide out of hours appointments to patients from all of the surgeries in the group. Put an out of hours GP service in every A&E, when patients are triaged and its not an A&E issue they get bumped to A&E.

Make mental health services fit for purpose and easily accessible, help people before they reach crisis point.

Train more pharmacists in additional services such as prescribing antibiotics where needed, renewing straightforward repeat prescriptions without the need for a GP, diagnosing and treating UTIs, etc.

This is a brilliant post, just one question though. Sorry, I don't know how to quote part of a post. But the paragraph here about management.

Yes it could be done by one person, but that wouldn't magic up more time would it? That one person would only be able to manage a third of the number of people they do now, and you'd need the same total number of managers.

I mean, they may well be performing inefficiently anyway... but the way the tasks are allocated isn't proof of that in and of itself. If anything, specialisation of tasks should result in more efficiency. (The shift manager who knows the ins and outs of the job can spend their time addressing practical problems, not messing about with rotas etc.)

Shelefttheweb · 03/01/2023 22:04

ssd · 03/01/2023 21:57

Couldn't agree more.

That £350k on the bus we were promised after brexit would come in handy now.

The health and social care sector has received more than £350 million extra per week since the bus.

BradfordGirl · 03/01/2023 22:06

Totally disingenous. That "extra" is for covid testing, Nightingale hospitals, PPE, etc. A vast amount of which was fradulently spent.

borntobequiet · 03/01/2023 22:07

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Which is absolutely fine, but hardly unbiased.

Shelefttheweb · 03/01/2023 22:08

BradfordGirl · 03/01/2023 22:06

Totally disingenous. That "extra" is for covid testing, Nightingale hospitals, PPE, etc. A vast amount of which was fradulently spent.

No, the extra is still in place. It was more than double that in Covid.

Spect8 · 03/01/2023 22:13

If masks are so useless why then have hospital clinical staff been wearing them forever? Surgeons mask and gown up and always have done, same for other clinical procedures. Maybe masks only prevent infection on open wounds or something, but I wear one in crowded places and on public transport, and I don't care who likes or dislikes it or rubbishes it, I'm doing it.

The whataboutery is unbelievable though. UK is no longer EU, it should sort its own problems out without comparison, that is what Brexit was supposed to achieve, taking back sovereignty and control, or so I thought.

justasking111 · 03/01/2023 22:18

We know an importer of gifts. They sell on Amazon. According to them, confirmed by companies house. They found a source of PPE. Their turnover increased from £750k to £3 million over the covid pandemic period. Nothing illegal, but it does illustrate what the pandemic must have been worth to the business sector

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