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Are they all hiding in a fucking fridge?

627 replies

noblegiraffe · 02/01/2023 22:37

The government? Where is the leadership? The reassurance that the problem is being addressed with urgency? Cobra meetings? Horrendous stories coming out of A&E departments right now.

Steve Barclay, the Health Secretary today announced on twitter that people should download the Couch to 5k app to reduce pressure on the NHS.

twitter.com/stevebarclay/status/1609957311610556416?s=61&t=rHTkCD1w_H9OmH9UB2E4UQ

Do your fucking job, Steve. And Rishi, show some leadership. You bloody wanted this job so badly, where have you gone?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-64142614

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Libre2 · 02/01/2023 23:16

This is a genuine question - what is the solution to this because the whole system needs an overhaul - it is not enough to just just shout “throw money at it and it will all automatically improve”. What can actually be done? The NHS is no longer fit for purpose, that much is clear. So what is the answer?

JanglyBeads · 02/01/2023 23:17

We know how much they care about the health service. They were partying while HCWs were in tears, sleeping at work, knowing relatives couldn't even say goodbye to dying old ladies.

noblegiraffe · 02/01/2023 23:17

Lots of people in hospital currently with covid and with flu. Were they vaccinated? Were they eligible for vaccination?

Could we have a big vaccination push instead of tweets about jogging?

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Iam4eels · 02/01/2023 23:17

The government should be front and fucking centre setting out exactly what their plan is to get through the rest of the winter followed by details of how they'll prevent this reoccurring moving forwards. Alongside thus they should be back at the fucking negotiating table hashing out a deal with NHS workers relating to pay and conditions, they should also be formulating changes to the immigration and visa system to make it easier (and more attractive) for hospital workers from other countries to come work in the UK.

Instead: silence.

It's because they have nothing. No plan, no ideas, no mandate, nothing. And they're hiding because they don't want people to scrutinise their absolute lack of a plan. Rishi is a weak PM, even weaker than Truss, and his entire premiership is focused simply on staying in post which translates as hiding from the crosshairs.

Expect the Tory-bots to show up soon though with their "but Starmer...." bullshit.

JenniferBooth · 02/01/2023 23:19

Did anyone else notice that while they were telling the general public not to drink jog etc they didnt say a fucking word to the councils who wouldnt grit icy pavements a few weeks ago.

ForgottenNurseryRhymes · 02/01/2023 23:19

Why a fridge?

noblegiraffe · 02/01/2023 23:21

ForgottenNurseryRhymes · 02/01/2023 23:19

Why a fridge?

Because that's where Boris Johnson famously hid when he didn't want to answer questions.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-hides-fridge-general-election-piers-morgan-good-morning-britain-live-tv-a9241631.html

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DoubleShotEspresso · 02/01/2023 23:21

Fireyflies · 02/01/2023 22:46

Keeping fit it great. But it is not our job to reduce pressure on the NHS . It is his job to ensure the NHS meets our needs. Which it clearly isn't doing right now. The idea that our lives should revolve around protecting the NHS was one of the most dangerous things we allowed to come out of the pandemic. Steve Barclay should be explaining to the PM and the rest of us what the fuck has gone wrong.

(Also getting unfit people jogging would surely increase the immediate pressure on the NHS anyway - due to injuries etc - whilst taking years to yield any positive benefits from better health)

100% this.

Steve Barclay truly needs to show us what he's made of and soon. He's looking pathetic so far

JenniferBooth · 02/01/2023 23:22

@noblegiraffe Its £17.99 for a flu jab here if you arent eligible. Im 50 in June so will have mine next winter.

pleaseletmesleeptonight · 02/01/2023 23:23

I've been saying this for weeks, where is the PM?

He can dish out "help out to dine out" shit, dish out furlough and loans to anyone, swoop in like this a arsehole hero and where is he now??

Hiding in Barbados no doubt, is he even in the country?

Disgusting, they can help retail, but won't increase nurses pay, clap for the NHS was quickly forgotten.

FTMFML · 02/01/2023 23:24

They must be the 13% that have voted YABU

WhiteFire · 02/01/2023 23:24

Could we have a big vaccination push instead of tweets about jogging?

There already is a big vaccination push going on given how many texts and letters I have had about a COVID booster and flu jab.

I have had my flu jab at work, and I think I have wrongly been identified as being in a vulnerable category for COVID.

DoubleShotEspresso · 02/01/2023 23:26

I agree the government bastion and silence is deafening.

I honestly cannot think what it's going to take to get the nhs they clearly need. The government can find funds when they want to and yet this is allowed to continue and precious nhs staff are losing wages -how is this ever going to end? It's horrific and shocking to me how the general public are so tolerant of the lack of engagement from those in power it's incredible negligence.

Abigail69 · 02/01/2023 23:28

Not to worry as it was a Bank Hol but come tomorrow, you will have the regular idiots being wheeled out to spout their total BS and ignoring what is happening around then until its too late and then blame it on "world events"

Spect8 · 02/01/2023 23:29

If there was a financial crisis they would be very quick to protect their investments and the "markets".

Rowthe · 02/01/2023 23:30

They are blaming it on the flu and Strep A.

Next year it will be blamed on the flu- and another convenient excuse.

SnowlayRoundabout · 02/01/2023 23:31

The government also seems to be wholly missing in action when it comes to resolving the various strikes. They simply don't seem to have a clue how to govern.

Endlesssummer2022 · 02/01/2023 23:32

pleaseletmesleeptonight · 02/01/2023 23:23

I've been saying this for weeks, where is the PM?

He can dish out "help out to dine out" shit, dish out furlough and loans to anyone, swoop in like this a arsehole hero and where is he now??

Hiding in Barbados no doubt, is he even in the country?

Disgusting, they can help retail, but won't increase nurses pay, clap for the NHS was quickly forgotten.

Don’t worry his panicked PR and marketing team will hastily arrange for him to be photographed in hi-vis wheeling a meal trolley around a hospital (in a super safe Tory area where he’ll receive little challenge) showing him doing his bit.

It’s fucking laughable that people thought this lightweight would make a good PM. He’s literally hanging on to increase his fee on the lucrative after dinner speaking circuit. He does not give a shit. He may be smiley but he’s more ruthless than any centre right Tory or even Boris.

Brexiter MPs only know how to break things, not build things.

Iam4eels · 02/01/2023 23:33

Libre2 · 02/01/2023 23:16

This is a genuine question - what is the solution to this because the whole system needs an overhaul - it is not enough to just just shout “throw money at it and it will all automatically improve”. What can actually be done? The NHS is no longer fit for purpose, that much is clear. So what is the answer?

Throw money at it. They can afford it, they found billions in contracts for their mates during covid, they can afford to fund the NHS.

Streamline visas and immigration approval so we can fill staffing gaps from abroad. This will ease staffing pressures and working conditions for existing staff.

Reorganise management, especially on the non-clinical side. When I worked in the NHS (non-clinical) I had a shift manager who I reported to, I also had a team manager who I also reported to, I also had a department manager who I also reported to. Questions about the job at hand - shift manager. Leave requests, task assignments/duties, rota - team manager. Performance reviews, HR issues, etc - department manager. A role divided amongst three people that could have been done by one. This needs to change.

Run a huge educational ad campaign to show people which services they need to access and when. As part of this campaign, educate people on how to self-care for minor ailments and when to seek medical advice. Invest in out of hours GP services so patients don't resort to A&E as their only option. My area uses out of hours hubs where local practices group together and take it in turns to provide out of hours appointments to patients from all of the surgeries in the group. Put an out of hours GP service in every A&E, when patients are triaged and its not an A&E issue they get bumped to A&E.

Make mental health services fit for purpose and easily accessible, help people before they reach crisis point.

Train more pharmacists in additional services such as prescribing antibiotics where needed, renewing straightforward repeat prescriptions without the need for a GP, diagnosing and treating UTIs, etc.

Endlesssummer2022 · 02/01/2023 23:35

Iam4eels · 02/01/2023 23:33

Throw money at it. They can afford it, they found billions in contracts for their mates during covid, they can afford to fund the NHS.

Streamline visas and immigration approval so we can fill staffing gaps from abroad. This will ease staffing pressures and working conditions for existing staff.

Reorganise management, especially on the non-clinical side. When I worked in the NHS (non-clinical) I had a shift manager who I reported to, I also had a team manager who I also reported to, I also had a department manager who I also reported to. Questions about the job at hand - shift manager. Leave requests, task assignments/duties, rota - team manager. Performance reviews, HR issues, etc - department manager. A role divided amongst three people that could have been done by one. This needs to change.

Run a huge educational ad campaign to show people which services they need to access and when. As part of this campaign, educate people on how to self-care for minor ailments and when to seek medical advice. Invest in out of hours GP services so patients don't resort to A&E as their only option. My area uses out of hours hubs where local practices group together and take it in turns to provide out of hours appointments to patients from all of the surgeries in the group. Put an out of hours GP service in every A&E, when patients are triaged and its not an A&E issue they get bumped to A&E.

Make mental health services fit for purpose and easily accessible, help people before they reach crisis point.

Train more pharmacists in additional services such as prescribing antibiotics where needed, renewing straightforward repeat prescriptions without the need for a GP, diagnosing and treating UTIs, etc.

This.

Unfortunately for us, there is no genuine will to reform the NHS. A lot of companies make a lot of money out of the inefficiency.

TooBigForMyBoots · 02/01/2023 23:35

YABU @noblegiraffe. They're on their holidays. Holidays!

paintitallover · 02/01/2023 23:36

@noblegiraffe I'd guess on holiday, again. Their usual response to a crisis.

ClaudiusTheGod · 02/01/2023 23:38

Do what Iam4eels said above. The money can be found.

And fgs let’s start improving the health of the nation starting with the obesity crisis. Sugar tax, ultra-high processed food tax. We are eating ourselves to death.

kafkascastle · 02/01/2023 23:38

catandcoffee · 02/01/2023 22:42

It really depends on the area you live in.

Family member in A+E suspected pneumonia in and out in 7 hours. including tests,bloods, and xrays.

I've also had 2 very quick hospital appointments when referred by GP.

So that’s alright then? You’re ok so sod everyone one else? What a stupid comment.

noblegiraffe · 02/01/2023 23:41

I’d forgotten about their holidays. Holidays reduce stress which probably reduces the burden on the NHS. They are acting in our best interests 👍

Obviously NHS workers are stressed and not on holiday but that’s because they don’t think about what’s best for the NHS.

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