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Are they all hiding in a fucking fridge?

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noblegiraffe · 02/01/2023 22:37

The government? Where is the leadership? The reassurance that the problem is being addressed with urgency? Cobra meetings? Horrendous stories coming out of A&E departments right now.

Steve Barclay, the Health Secretary today announced on twitter that people should download the Couch to 5k app to reduce pressure on the NHS.

twitter.com/stevebarclay/status/1609957311610556416?s=61&t=rHTkCD1w_H9OmH9UB2E4UQ

Do your fucking job, Steve. And Rishi, show some leadership. You bloody wanted this job so badly, where have you gone?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-64142614

OP posts:
Blueink · 05/01/2023 14:35

*self not serve

verdantverdure · 05/01/2023 17:01

I just keep thinking "How has our country been reduced to this?" Sad

MissyB1 · 05/01/2023 17:16

verdantverdure · 05/01/2023 17:01

I just keep thinking "How has our country been reduced to this?" Sad

Because a bunch of criminals have been running the Country sadly.

Tygger · 05/01/2023 17:17

You should know that nhs is actually run by the managers, all governments can do is to give them, if you want to blame someone then start with the doctors, managers and the civil service, its the largest employer in the UK and is in need of structural reform but the loony left treat like a religion, which is total Bs. Nurses don't need degres, they should start as apprentices, we should be training our own and not poaching them from 3rd world countries who need medical staff more than we do. One problem with this country is that too many people are fat and don't look after their bodies, its become a country of lazy hypochondriacs, who think that men can have period pains, gastric band operations are an easy way to diet and breast enlargement is a right. We need to copy the best systems, no one replicates the NHS, but having said that even Portugal has a public healthcare crisis, but at least their private healh care is affordable, not like the greedy medics in the UK sector, which strangely many of our doctors and nurses are threatening to join if they don't get a ridiculous 19% pay rise.

L1ttledrummergirl · 05/01/2023 17:20

verdantverdure · 05/01/2023 17:01

I just keep thinking "How has our country been reduced to this?" Sad

I hit that point a year and a half ago, yet they still find a way to make things worse for the people they are elected to serve.

They've chucked out the social contract and any veneer of good governance has been thrown into the wind. They are only out for themselves and Sunak is the person responsible.

L1ttledrummergirl · 05/01/2023 17:27

Tygger · 05/01/2023 17:17

You should know that nhs is actually run by the managers, all governments can do is to give them, if you want to blame someone then start with the doctors, managers and the civil service, its the largest employer in the UK and is in need of structural reform but the loony left treat like a religion, which is total Bs. Nurses don't need degres, they should start as apprentices, we should be training our own and not poaching them from 3rd world countries who need medical staff more than we do. One problem with this country is that too many people are fat and don't look after their bodies, its become a country of lazy hypochondriacs, who think that men can have period pains, gastric band operations are an easy way to diet and breast enlargement is a right. We need to copy the best systems, no one replicates the NHS, but having said that even Portugal has a public healthcare crisis, but at least their private healh care is affordable, not like the greedy medics in the UK sector, which strangely many of our doctors and nurses are threatening to join if they don't get a ridiculous 19% pay rise.

Tygger · Today 10:17*

Your wrong, I'm in Portugal and the majority of people have private health care, friends in France have private health insurance, in the RoI they pay to see a doctor as they do in Australia. The French also pay higher taxes, I'm not against you paying more N.I. as I'm now retired so don't pay it, but it's not a question of just more money.

Why is a lawyer in Portugal pushing privatisation in the UK?

WiseUpJanetWeiss · 05/01/2023 17:28

You should know that nhs is actually run by the managers, all governments can do is to give them,

Erm.. not quite. The government calls the shots.

Noangelbuthavingfun · 05/01/2023 17:29

noblegiraffe · 03/01/2023 11:33

What are they spending that £350 million a week on?

Or was that all.....bollocks?

Agree with your OP - action is needed and we don't see anything yet. But seriously did you really believe there was 350 million a week spare to go to NHS? Bollocks. That money if it ever was there has now been used up and more for furlough.... cost of living help... helping Ukraine....plugging our ever increasing borrowing gap....
This doesn't excuse the lack of funding though. But there's no magic wand given above challenges. Unpopular probably but fir once maybe we should stop money to 3rd world aid and fix our own challenges with healthcare and cost of living first ... although in context 3rd world countries benefit far more from that money than we will materially. No solutions I'm afraid.... but it's certainly pants !!

justasking111 · 05/01/2023 17:41

www.yournhsneedsyou.com/timeline/

Interesting timeline on privatisation

justasking111 · 05/01/2023 17:45
Alexandra2001 · 05/01/2023 18:09

Tygger · 05/01/2023 17:17

You should know that nhs is actually run by the managers, all governments can do is to give them, if you want to blame someone then start with the doctors, managers and the civil service, its the largest employer in the UK and is in need of structural reform but the loony left treat like a religion, which is total Bs. Nurses don't need degres, they should start as apprentices, we should be training our own and not poaching them from 3rd world countries who need medical staff more than we do. One problem with this country is that too many people are fat and don't look after their bodies, its become a country of lazy hypochondriacs, who think that men can have period pains, gastric band operations are an easy way to diet and breast enlargement is a right. We need to copy the best systems, no one replicates the NHS, but having said that even Portugal has a public healthcare crisis, but at least their private healh care is affordable, not like the greedy medics in the UK sector, which strangely many of our doctors and nurses are threatening to join if they don't get a ridiculous 19% pay rise.

Oh dear.... so lets scrap the Dept of health and the minister... in fact.. by your logic all government organisations are run by lefties who don't need a dept or minister either?

If its all ok to cut pay by 20% it should equally be fine to have a 19% pay rise.

Anyway, whats it to you, you don't live here, how do you know we are all fatties getting boob jobs on the NHS... (as if) you doubtless voted for Brexit too......

bozzabollix · 05/01/2023 18:22

@Tygger you don’t even live here, all this utter garbage you’re typing is probably being cut and pasted from a Daily Mail opinion column. Meanwhile in the real world, not the alternate reality painted by the Mail, we currently have a health service that cannot meet even basic needs. That’s inexcusable in 2023, in one of the richest countries in the world.

My ‘greedy medic’ husband stuck his life on the line during the pandemic, during which huge amounts of cash were found to buy dodgy PPE off Tory donors which didn’t protect him. It’s astonishing how much the magic money tree can produce when a private company goes for a contract, but our nurses are told the country can’t afford it.

It’s ideologically driven nonsense and one day soon we won’t have a healthcare service that’s freely available, and to be fair it’ll be our fault for not fighting for it collectively, and for the tolerance of the kind of media that result in someone like Tygger having such ignorant views.

TheYChromosome · 06/01/2023 09:33

bozzabollix · 05/01/2023 18:22

@Tygger you don’t even live here, all this utter garbage you’re typing is probably being cut and pasted from a Daily Mail opinion column. Meanwhile in the real world, not the alternate reality painted by the Mail, we currently have a health service that cannot meet even basic needs. That’s inexcusable in 2023, in one of the richest countries in the world.

My ‘greedy medic’ husband stuck his life on the line during the pandemic, during which huge amounts of cash were found to buy dodgy PPE off Tory donors which didn’t protect him. It’s astonishing how much the magic money tree can produce when a private company goes for a contract, but our nurses are told the country can’t afford it.

It’s ideologically driven nonsense and one day soon we won’t have a healthcare service that’s freely available, and to be fair it’ll be our fault for not fighting for it collectively, and for the tolerance of the kind of media that result in someone like Tygger having such ignorant views.

I do really believe that we as people don’t use it efficiently, though. Not a popular thing to say but it is true. We all know that we treat things that are free differently to those that we have to fund ourselves. That is a fact no one can argue with. There might be some individuals who maybe don’t, but as a group of people, it holds true.

Therefore, the NHS becomes a bottomless pit. However, in times of plenty the effects are not felt as much, but, when the times are hard it becomes a problem.

Yes, we can say that we pay taxes, we elected our government and therefore it is their job to fix it. I’m not a strong supporter of any party, btw. But as in my previous post, we as individuals pay far less into the system than citizens in many other European countries. So effectively we do want more for less, which I think it’s fine if that’s how the system works. The problem is that that is how the structure of the system functions but we can see that it doesn’t actually work.

And I repeat, the European systems are nothing like the US. Yes, they pay more but it’s in relation to someone’s income. Not like in the US where this is the bill regardless of how much you earn. And if I had to vote I wouldn’t want to change the NHS as I wouldn’t want to start paying more.

However, I also know that I have visited GP before with small niggly things that have just gone away on their own in the end. If I do it there is plenty of other people who do it. Add them all up and the system feels it. We get offended when anyone suggests we should change our behaviour, especially as looking at one person’s behaviour in isolation will never seem to have any significant impact. To repeat myself, add them all up….

I don’t have ideological views or proposed solutions because yes I like that it is ‘free’. But it is a complex problem, because it is free and because it is publicly run. All these things just don’t merry up. It’s like living in a big old house that is difficult to heat with huge running costs. It’s ok during summer and whilst the owner had a job with decent salary. But now they lost their job, savings only go as far, and it is winter. It might be best to sell the house and downscale.

I wouldn’t want to try to comment too much on the fact that yes, somehow, the government seems to find magic money in some instances, such as PPE, which they did rightly so, apart from the fact they mismanaged it on multiple occasions. But there is also a difference between one off cash (albeit) huge sums and regular cash inflow.

But again, yes, there will be a lot of mismanagement which is what the OP is addressing. But that is public service, it’s just because is health people feel it much more. Public service will never be run as efficiently as private enterprises. Because public service provides free service for people and there are no or hardly any limits to what people can use, and so people will in general max it out, including me with my niggly things.

CrazyLadie · 06/01/2023 11:25

noblegiraffe · 02/01/2023 22:49

I recognise it shouldn’t be anywhere, but I also believe in praise where it’s due.

I hope it is the NHS workers that you are praising, not the government whose job it is to address the areas where it is very clearly not working.

Considering before the tories took over we had the best health service in the G20, not anymore we don't. They are suffocating the NHS by not upping their money in real terms, I think they are trying to force is to go private, and that would be a disaster. Time to go after all the dodgy covid loans paid put and not just Michelle Mone

Piggywaspushed · 06/01/2023 11:28

They are also, despite what they are saying today, trying to scra ratiosp laws that ensure minimum safety standards in hospitals - such as staffing and working hours.

Don't come at us all with 'minimum safety standards, you twerp.

Piggywaspushed · 06/01/2023 11:28

Sorry bit of a muddle there but hopefully makes sense!!

CrazyLadie · 06/01/2023 11:42

Noangelbuthavingfun · 05/01/2023 17:29

Agree with your OP - action is needed and we don't see anything yet. But seriously did you really believe there was 350 million a week spare to go to NHS? Bollocks. That money if it ever was there has now been used up and more for furlough.... cost of living help... helping Ukraine....plugging our ever increasing borrowing gap....
This doesn't excuse the lack of funding though. But there's no magic wand given above challenges. Unpopular probably but fir once maybe we should stop money to 3rd world aid and fix our own challenges with healthcare and cost of living first ... although in context 3rd world countries benefit far more from that money than we will materially. No solutions I'm afraid.... but it's certainly pants !!

The tories reckon they have already put the £350 million we save from not being in the EU into the NHS already 🤔 ah right

CrazyLadie · 06/01/2023 11:43

Iam4eels · 02/01/2023 23:17

The government should be front and fucking centre setting out exactly what their plan is to get through the rest of the winter followed by details of how they'll prevent this reoccurring moving forwards. Alongside thus they should be back at the fucking negotiating table hashing out a deal with NHS workers relating to pay and conditions, they should also be formulating changes to the immigration and visa system to make it easier (and more attractive) for hospital workers from other countries to come work in the UK.

Instead: silence.

It's because they have nothing. No plan, no ideas, no mandate, nothing. And they're hiding because they don't want people to scrutinise their absolute lack of a plan. Rishi is a weak PM, even weaker than Truss, and his entire premiership is focused simply on staying in post which translates as hiding from the crosshairs.

Expect the Tory-bots to show up soon though with their "but Starmer...." bullshit.

They don't want to fix it, fixing it doesn't line their mates pockets

CrazyLadie · 06/01/2023 11:45

DoubleShotEspresso · 02/01/2023 23:21

100% this.

Steve Barclay truly needs to show us what he's made of and soon. He's looking pathetic so far

What he is made of? Spineless BS. The idiot refused to meet with the nursing union and when pressure was applied he met them and refused to discuss pay so really was just an exercise to tick boxes

MissyB1 · 06/01/2023 11:45

CrazyLadie · 06/01/2023 11:42

The tories reckon they have already put the £350 million we save from not being in the EU into the NHS already 🤔 ah right

Yes but they tell an awful lot of lies. In fact they happily stand in front of a TV camera and lie through their teeth, I mean blatant easily disproved lies. Dh is NHS staff and frequently shouts “Liar!!” When Tory ministers are being interviewed about the NHS.

CrazyLadie · 06/01/2023 11:53

WhiteFire · 02/01/2023 23:24

Could we have a big vaccination push instead of tweets about jogging?

There already is a big vaccination push going on given how many texts and letters I have had about a COVID booster and flu jab.

I have had my flu jab at work, and I think I have wrongly been identified as being in a vulnerable category for COVID.

The fact is the strains are still changing etc and it's impossible to keep up with all the new staring and have a perfect vaccine for each

CrazyLadie · 06/01/2023 11:54

DoubleShotEspresso · 02/01/2023 23:26

I agree the government bastion and silence is deafening.

I honestly cannot think what it's going to take to get the nhs they clearly need. The government can find funds when they want to and yet this is allowed to continue and precious nhs staff are losing wages -how is this ever going to end? It's horrific and shocking to me how the general public are so tolerant of the lack of engagement from those in power it's incredible negligence.

They want rid of the NHS (do you know the NHS doesn't pay big pharma full price for their drugs?) So that their mates can put more money in their offshore accounts.

CrazyLadie · 06/01/2023 11:56

Endlesssummer2022 · 02/01/2023 23:32

Don’t worry his panicked PR and marketing team will hastily arrange for him to be photographed in hi-vis wheeling a meal trolley around a hospital (in a super safe Tory area where he’ll receive little challenge) showing him doing his bit.

It’s fucking laughable that people thought this lightweight would make a good PM. He’s literally hanging on to increase his fee on the lucrative after dinner speaking circuit. He does not give a shit. He may be smiley but he’s more ruthless than any centre right Tory or even Boris.

Brexiter MPs only know how to break things, not build things.

Brilliant quote, Brexoteer MP's only know how to break things, absolutely brilliant and spot on

Fivebyfive2 · 06/01/2023 12:02

This is what they want. To run it into the ground and hope we'll all be thankful when they privatise it.

CrazyLadie · 06/01/2023 12:14

catandcoffee · 02/01/2023 23:57

Don't be ridiculous.
I was making a valid point that some areas of the NHS work better than others.

We're all aware the Government don't give a shit but just pointing out there are still amazing parts that work well.

And I made sure the NHS workers were thanked for the great job they did.

Absolutely, in one hospital I have had various stories of good and bad. From what I can see where I am its getting an ambulance that is the major issue (no judgement here) if they can get to the hospital things seem to be pretty normal. I know thisnisnt everyone's experience, just sharing mine

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