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Are they all hiding in a fucking fridge?

627 replies

noblegiraffe · 02/01/2023 22:37

The government? Where is the leadership? The reassurance that the problem is being addressed with urgency? Cobra meetings? Horrendous stories coming out of A&E departments right now.

Steve Barclay, the Health Secretary today announced on twitter that people should download the Couch to 5k app to reduce pressure on the NHS.

twitter.com/stevebarclay/status/1609957311610556416?s=61&t=rHTkCD1w_H9OmH9UB2E4UQ

Do your fucking job, Steve. And Rishi, show some leadership. You bloody wanted this job so badly, where have you gone?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-64142614

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Clavinova · 03/01/2023 15:58

nearly all the sloganeering suggested immediate benefit

Or catastrophe...
www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/24/boris-johnson-eu-referendum-job-loss

Piggywaspushed · 03/01/2023 16:01

Oh for goodness sake.

Keskadale · 03/01/2023 16:06

Clavinova · 03/01/2023 15:24

Keskadale
How much do you think Brexit has cost or even gained the economy?

Ask me in 10 years' time. Any new venture has a start up-cost - plus we have had a global pandemic and the Ukraine War. What percentage of people voted to leave the EU purely on economic reasons in any case?

10 years, we left 2 years ago, referendum was 6, but you want another 10?

60% of startups fail within 3 years, not a good analogy.

Pandemic and Ukraine should have highlighted the advantages of Brexit, you know, nimble, able to adapt, as said, there were sound economic benefits to being in the SM.

I'm not seeing it.

Walkaround · 03/01/2023 16:09

Clavinova · 03/01/2023 15:58

nearly all the sloganeering suggested immediate benefit

Or catastrophe...
www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/24/boris-johnson-eu-referendum-job-loss

Well, they managed to slow down the inevitable catastrophic result by not actually Brexiting for years and not being remotely clear on what “Brexit” actually meant in practice, leaving the world to be optimistic for a bit longer that the UK could not possibly be this suicidal. And then they hid behind a pandemic.

Clavinova · 03/01/2023 16:11

they know full well they are to blame for the current crisis

Attending a boot camp and playing animal games is not what I would describe as 'working tirelessly' [to clear the backlog at Great Western Hospital] - to quote a hospital spokesperson. And the fancy equipment in the new control room ("It's revolutionary in Swindon, its going to be like a flightdeck,") still managed to leave one patient on a trolley for 99 hours.

Walkaround · 03/01/2023 16:17

And they pretend they haven’t fucked up Tory voting Kent with Brexit (once the “garden of England,” now the lorry park and migrant concentration camp centre of England); haven’t fucked up Northern Ireland; haven’t fucked up the “United “ Kingdom by further alienating Scotland; didn’t delight Putin and Trump, who were pretty much the only world leaders who congratulated the UK on its Brexit decision; haven’t spunked more money up the wall on having to set up systems and processes that used to be handled very efficiently and with massive economies of scale for them by…. the EU.😂😭

Walkaround · 03/01/2023 16:21

Still, I’m sure we should all be absolutely delighted money was spent on changing our passports back to blue.

Dryandirriatble · 03/01/2023 16:22

Walkaround · 03/01/2023 16:17

And they pretend they haven’t fucked up Tory voting Kent with Brexit (once the “garden of England,” now the lorry park and migrant concentration camp centre of England); haven’t fucked up Northern Ireland; haven’t fucked up the “United “ Kingdom by further alienating Scotland; didn’t delight Putin and Trump, who were pretty much the only world leaders who congratulated the UK on its Brexit decision; haven’t spunked more money up the wall on having to set up systems and processes that used to be handled very efficiently and with massive economies of scale for them by…. the EU.😂😭

Will Kent vote differently next time? I'm still hearing a lot of "it would be even worse if the other lot were in"----

Walkaround · 03/01/2023 16:22

What sort of idiots actually want to spend money on something like Brexit at the same time in history that they are imposing austerity on the public services of a country?

2Rebecca · 03/01/2023 16:28

You can't just magic up more people. We haven't trained and retained enough doctors and nurses and the population size grew a lot more in the past 10 years due largely to immigration than was projected. Politicians have been short sighted but them coming back and talking about it at Westminster and Holyrood won't change anything next week. We are also short of decent politicians and if they are never allowed a break no-one will want to do it. Should anyone in the health and social care sectors also have to work non stop?
This is a problem that needs fixing but it will take time to fix.

Piggywaspushed · 03/01/2023 16:30

The population is growing almost entirely due to the ageing population.

Shelefttheweb · 03/01/2023 16:35

Piggywaspushed · 03/01/2023 16:30

The population is growing almost entirely due to the ageing population.

Populations don’t grow if they are aging; they shrink. The UK population growing is down to immigration.

Piggywaspushed · 03/01/2023 16:36

What??
Abject nonsense.

EssexMan55 · 03/01/2023 16:43

Shelefttheweb · 03/01/2023 16:35

Populations don’t grow if they are aging; they shrink. The UK population growing is down to immigration.

The immigration is so we have young people to pay taxes to fund our elderly population. Their state pensions and healthcare costs are astronomical. It’s ironic the elderly as a whole are so anti immigration. Perhaps they would prefer we slash their pensions and stop treating them?

Shelefttheweb · 03/01/2023 16:47

Walkaround · 03/01/2023 16:22

What sort of idiots actually want to spend money on something like Brexit at the same time in history that they are imposing austerity on the public services of a country?

You forget the SGP. Or the severe austerity imposed on Greece. Potentially leaving the EU could have allowed more flexibility in public finance, for example more borrowing to reduce austerity than would have been permitted in the EU. Perhaps that is why labour sat on the fence?

Walkaround · 03/01/2023 16:51

Populations don’t shrink if people are living longer, they shrink if people are having fewer children than the required population “replacement rate.” Elderly, frail people living a long time are a problem, though, because they require a lot of human effort to help keep them healthy and alive, and the higher the proportion of elderly people, the higher the proportion of national income and human effort spent on them compared to everything else. What the planet does not actually need is more human beings. What elderly people need is more human beings to look after them.

Clavinova · 03/01/2023 16:53

March 16 2010

Curb your spending, Brussels tells Gordon Brown

Gordon Brown was dealt an embarrassing blow last night when Brussels gave warning that Britain must do more to curb its spiralling debt.
The European Commission wants Labour to outline further spending cuts and spell out where the axe will fall.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/curb-your-spending-brussels-tells-gordon-brown-3rkmql67hxs

Walkaround · 03/01/2023 16:54

Shelefttheweb · 03/01/2023 16:47

You forget the SGP. Or the severe austerity imposed on Greece. Potentially leaving the EU could have allowed more flexibility in public finance, for example more borrowing to reduce austerity than would have been permitted in the EU. Perhaps that is why labour sat on the fence?

Which is basically the same thing as saying Brexit at the same time as imposing austerity on public services is idiotic.

Walkaround · 03/01/2023 16:55

Now, which was the party of austerity and Brexit? 🤔

Kendodd · 03/01/2023 16:56

Shelefttheweb · 03/01/2023 16:35

Populations don’t grow if they are aging; they shrink. The UK population growing is down to immigration.

Really?
So if everyone is living an extra 10 years, the population will shrink?

Kendodd · 03/01/2023 16:58

Walkaround · 03/01/2023 16:22

What sort of idiots actually want to spend money on something like Brexit at the same time in history that they are imposing austerity on the public services of a country?

Tories?
Leave voters?

BradfordGirl · 03/01/2023 16:59

Life expectancy has fallen. So no idea why you think everyone will live an extra 10 years.

Piggywaspushed · 03/01/2023 16:59

Perhaps the aim is to reduce life expectancy. Covid did a bit already, so might as well keep heading in that direction, hey? Only for those living in poverty though, just to be fair.

LakieLady · 03/01/2023 17:01

noblegiraffe · 02/01/2023 23:17

Lots of people in hospital currently with covid and with flu. Were they vaccinated? Were they eligible for vaccination?

Could we have a big vaccination push instead of tweets about jogging?

My friend and her partner both got Covid just before Christmas, he was hospitalised for 3 days. Both are fully vaccinated and have had both boosters.

I suspect that the strain currently doing the rounds is a new variant and that the existing vaccines aren't effective against it.

Shelefttheweb · 03/01/2023 17:01

Walkaround · 03/01/2023 16:54

Which is basically the same thing as saying Brexit at the same time as imposing austerity on public services is idiotic.

No it is saying, that Brexit could have been used as a mechanism to relieve austerity that would not have been allowed had we remained in the EU. So if you were against austerity then that would have been a possible reason to vote for Brexit. It is moot as Brexit coincided with Covid.