Are they all hiding in a fucking fridge?

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The government? Where is the leadership? The reassurance that the problem is being addressed with urgency? Cobra meetings? Horrendous stories coming out of A&E departments right now.

Steve Barclay, the Health Secretary today announced on twitter that people should download the Couch to 5k app to reduce pressure on the NHS.

twitter.com/stevebarclay/status/1609957311610556416?s=61&t=rHTkCD1w_H9OmH9UB2E4UQ

Do your fucking job, Steve. And Rishi, show some leadership. You bloody wanted this job so badly, where have you gone?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-64142614

Brexit could have been used for all sorts of things that it was clear it was not going to be used for. The fact is, austerity could have been relieved far sooner if the UK had stayed in the EU, because even Brexiteers acknowledge the first 10 years of Brexit at least were going to come at a cost. And the cost was to the entire EU, not just the UK. Meaning only idiots would embark on it after a long period of pre-existing austerity.

Do older people have more or less babies than younger people?

Walkaround
Well, they managed to slow down the inevitable catastrophic result by not actually Brexiting for years

Well, they managed to slow down the benefits as well then ... likewise Covid and the Russia-Ukraine War.

What are the benefits in your opinion? even if we haven't yet seen them or wont for many years.

@Clavinova - 😂Sorry, but with the global economy already unstable pre-covid, so that’s the same line of thinking as Trussonomics. It’s all ideology and too little reality. A country needs credibility to succeed, and the majority of the world told the UK Brexit really didn’t look like a good idea.

So you think voting for Brexit would have been better had we had a long period of increasing deficit with significantly larger public sector borrowing that had to be repaid?

No, I think Brexit was stupid, full stop. In an increasingly unstable world with threats to food, water and energy supplies, the UK needed a better understanding of who its friends were and of the importance of co-operation generally.

Walkaround
so that’s the same line of thinking as Trussonomics

Trussonomics? I thought Keir Starmer said he was going to "Make Brexit Work"? If Starmer can make Brexit work - why not Rishi Sunak?

What are the benefits in your opinion? even if we haven't yet seen them or wont for many years

Well there certainly aren’t any trade deals are there? Unless you count the ones that the Australians and New Zealanders were virtually pissing themselves while they signed, they were THAT bad! That bad for us of course.

350mil per week to the NHS… oh hang on a minute…

Well we have won the right to dump our on shit in the our own sea, yay, go us!

Crown marks on pint glasses! Amazing!

Posted this on another thread earlier today. Dh is a hospital consultant, this morning at 8am he messaged me this update they had all just been given on the state of play in A&E.
121 patients waiting to be seen, longest waiting time at 70 hours. 100 patients needing to be admitted - currently on trollies and chairs. Zero beds available in the hospital. And that was just how they were starting the day!

The EU simply does not have that sort of power over non eurozone countries.
Brown also ignored the EU in 2010.

Plus austerity in EU didn't last too long, 3 to 5 years, it was the Tories that chose to extend it and now extend it again.

Germany had a series of fiscal spending events after the GFC, despite telling others to cut back.

Keskadale
What are the benefits in your opinion?

Look at one of the many threads already on this topic.

@Clavinova - what has Starmer got to do with my opinions? Do you have any personal opinions, or are you just a spout for Tory propaganda? As for making it work - we have to make it “work,” as in learn to live with it, because it can’t be reversed. It doesn’t mean it will make us more prosperous, or that it will be good for the UK, or the continent we live on, or that it will benefit anyone other than a tiny few who have no allegiances to anyone or anything other than themselves.

Brown also ignored the EU in 2010

25 March 2010
Alistair Darling admitted that Labour's planned cuts in public spending will be "deeper and tougher" than Margaret Thatcher's in the 1980s, as the country's leading experts on tax and spending warned that Britain faces "two parliaments of pain" to repair the black hole in the state's finances.
The Institute for Fiscal Studies said hefty tax rises and Whitehall spending cuts of 25% were in prospect during the six-year squeeze lasting until 2017 that would follow the chancellor's "treading water" budget.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/mar/25/alistair-darling-cut-deeper-margaret-thatcher

They absolutely did through the Stability and Growth Pact agreed in 1997;

If a Member State breaches the SGP's outlined maximum limit for government deficit and debt, the surveillance and request for corrective action will intensify through the declaration of an Excessive Deficit Procedure (EDP); and if these corrective actions continue to remain absent after multiple warnings, the Member State can ultimately be issued economic sanctions

So you don't have any? i notice in other EU/Brexit topics on here you are very vocal but on Benefits, you have nothing to say.

Ok.

Clavinova always defends the EU by being negative about the EU.
She does not talk about benefits pf Brexit because there are not any.

Brown wanted 1% of GDP not 3%, so he was well within limits.

On debt, show me any EU country with less than 60% debt to GDP?
Germany is 67% and France is 105%.

Events, such as GFC and Covid have overtaken the SGP.

Keskadale
So you don't have any? i notice in other EU/Brexit topics on here you are very vocal but on Benefits, you have nothing to say

I have posted them a number of times on other threads - you are not very observant.

or that it will benefit anyone other than a tiny few who have no allegiances to anyone or anything other than themselves

And there’s your true answer as to where the benefits actually lie.

Events, such as GFC and Covid have overtaken the SGP.

It was suspended in 2020 due to Covid.

And there’s your true answer as to where the benefits actually lie

What a pity the Remain campaign didn't outline the benefits of remaining in the EU then - rather than catastrophising what would happen if we voted leave.

We seem to be getting sidetracked away from the op question.

Where are the government and why the fuck are they absent in the crisis of their own making?

These figures are awful for the staff to see. Very disheartening. I'd be having a quiet cry.

What a pity people choose to believe the fantasies they want to hear, rather than wanting to listen to boring reality. There is a difference between exaggeration and fantasy, though, and the Brexit campaign sold fantasy fiction.