Are they all hiding in a fucking fridge?

[noblegiraffe]

The government? Where is the leadership? The reassurance that the problem is being addressed with urgency? Cobra meetings? Horrendous stories coming out of A&E departments right now.

Steve Barclay, the Health Secretary today announced on twitter that people should download the Couch to 5k app to reduce pressure on the NHS.

twitter.com/stevebarclay/status/1609957311610556416?s=61&t=rHTkCD1w_H9OmH9UB2E4UQ

Do your fucking job, Steve. And Rishi, show some leadership. You bloody wanted this job so badly, where have you gone?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-64142614

A "Here's what you could've won" graph.

Keskadale
It doesn't make their sums wrong though?

It doesn't make the algorithm right either;

The doppelgänger is made up of the United States (31 per cent), Germany (15 per cent), New Zealand (14 per cent), Norway (8 per cent) and Australia (5 per cent). The remaining countries make up less than 5 per cent of the doppelgänger each

• in fact the first model was ditched;

APPENDIX
I discontinued the CER’s first ‘cost of Brexit’ model, which estimated the hit to GDP, after the second quarter of 2019...

See what I mean about Leave voters!
Brexit is brilliant, for the economy, peace in NI, nice clean seas and air. We are now all enjoying the sunlit uplands thanks to their great wisdom.

Hmm is that really all you can bring to the discussion, a lazy ad hominem attack?

I presume you didn't win any prizes at Debate Club with responses like that.

@Clavinova

How much do you think Brexit has cost or even gained the economy?

You must have a figure? even if an approximate one.

And their ideology means more sucking up more wealth (through private contracts, running staff agencies, shares in insurance companies etc) for the already rich (themselves and their mates), and sweet FA for us.

This is precisely the problem.

The Tories and also New Labour actively work against the majority of people's interests. The political class doesn't serve us, they serve themselves. They know that once they've done their time in parliament, whatever criticism they get, all those lucrative trappings of Board memberships and after dinner speaking tours are lined up to make them even richer.

I don't have all the answers but I do know that being ruled over by that shower can't end well for ordinary people.

Yanbu OP, I don't understand the silence on it all and why it isn't regarded as an emergency to fix.
Bonkers.

In the US 10-20% of healthcare spending goes directly to insurance companies through policies and co pays. So we could all pay 10 - 20% more and have no additional benefit to our healthcare at all.

Nothing to see here, all is perfectly fine according to No 10

INCREDIBLE from No10 spox. Dying after waiting 16hrs for an ambulance is "not a crisis", but a "challenge" and is "normal".

PM and Health Sec have "no plans at the moment" to "visit any hospitals or answer any questions".

Tone-deaf doesn't quite cover this. Please share! ~AA

twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1610264098221981697?t=11o-OJo2wGb7W8LvUwTWFA&s=19

And you are naive if you think US healthcare delivers. US Drs and nurses are talking about how their healthcare is falling apart. They can't get the staff or the supplies because private companies run hospitals as cheaply as possible. Nurses talk about hospitals where basic supplies are in short supply and Drs talk about a lack of medication and constantly having to adjust what they prescribe. They all talk about insurance companies refusing to pay for drugs or other care as it is too expensive. People denied drugs by insurance companies having 3 or 4 admissions to hospitals a year as a result.

They aren't stupid are they?

... they know full well they are to blame for the current crisis, with austerity and brexit.

Why on earth would they hold themselves up to accountability?

They want it to fall apart so they can sell off the NHS and all make loads of money.
This government just see our public bodies as opportunities to make lots of money. They do not give a shit about all of us.

@Katypp I am also interested in any data for the assertions of your list.

Having lived in America for about 15 years I can tell you that what most Mumsnetters regard ad ‘American health care’ is only one piece of it. MN and I are for the most part rather critical, contrary to your assumption. OTOH whilst there my family belonged to an HMO, a sort of mini-NHS with small co-pays, of extremely high quality centred around a renowned university medical centre. Fabulous, completely equitable (by law) care. Yet I too prefer that health care should be considered a human right. Which the Tories obviously do not, or they would not be starving the NHS to death

Never mind the fridge, report/caller on the radio today said some are hiding in thr toilet

The Tories and also New Labour actively work against the majority of people's interests. The political class doesn't serve us, they serve themselves

I don't believe that.... if someone wants to serve themselves and seek power via politics, they would never have joined the Labour party over the last decade... Starmer would have become a Conservative... had he done so, he'd be a minister now, maybe even a PM.

But he didn't, he chose Labour.. people like him are not like the Tories at all.

My local MP (before i moved) was a former postie, he joined the Tories and despite not really being very intelligent (he suggested putting GPS devices into the handles of knives to solve the increases in stabbings) he is in Govt.......

People like him went into the Tory party for self gain, nothing more.

Which Labour government do you remember as being successful?

noblegiraffe
Wonder if Clav could dig up any sums where Brexit is making us money

Money is not always the answer - Swindon's Great Western Hospital is currently in the news (a patient spent 99 hours waiting on a trolley);
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-64151833

I wonder how much they spent on the new control room tech?

July 2022
Great Western Hospital's new £15 million Urgent Treatment Centre is ready to open to patients
unique features of the new building include... a beautiful calming sky ceiling “to bring the outside in” .... [and] gender-neutral toilets

Oct 2022
a new control room is taking shape. "It's revolutionary in Swindon, its going to be like a flightdeck," says the new Coordination Centre's Operations manager...
Think of it like air traffic control for patients: Big screens with real-time data on who is in what ambulance, who is stuck in a corridor, who should have left hospital by now.
"On my fingertips I know exactly what patients are fit and well to leave," says Head of Clinical Operations ... scrolling through one of many huge touchscreens. "How long they've been waiting, what they might be waiting for, and who has ownership and responsibility."^

Nov 2022 Coordination Centre's Operations Manager;
Fantastic day today at Improving Together boot camp! ...
Reply;
It was a great day. Brilliant networking, good team work - who knew we knew so many animals...

Nov 2022 Great Western Hospital forked out more than £2,500 to pay an agency nurse for one shift, new figures have revealed

Which Tory government do you remember? They are, after all, considerably more recent.

Are we really going to go back 12 years for your whataboutery? Really!?

So, that'd be a no, then Clav!

Instead, we no longer need money. Which is just as well.

Keskadale
How much do you think Brexit has cost or even gained the economy?

Ask me in 10 years' time. Any new venture has a start up-cost - plus we have had a global pandemic and the Ukraine War. What percentage of people voted to leave the EU purely on economic reasons in any case?

Also getting unfit people jogging would surely increase the immediate pressure on the NHS anyway - due to injuries etc - whilst taking years to yield any positive benefits from better health

Bollocks. I was so unfit this time last year I couldn’t run for more than 1 minute without feeling like my entire chest was caving in. I’m currently training for a half marathon. Not an exaggeration, I did the couch to 5k app and haven’t stopped ever since. Just about anyone is capable of that plus you don’t have to jog, walking or swimming regularly is sufficient.

I’ve heard the A&E horror stories myself so was reluctant to go on New Year’s Day with a severe dental abscess. I was in the worst pain I’ve ever felt (and I’ve had 2 10lb babies with no pain relief!) plus my face had all swollen to the extent I could barely see out of one eye. I thought I would be there all night but I arrived at 6:40pm and was discharged by 12:30pm. I had the abscess drained within two hours of arriving and the pain totally disappeared. I only had to stay longer because I’d accidentally OD’d on paracetamol so needed a drip. The doctor I saw was amazing, one of the best I’ve ever come across. Really went out of his way to help me, friendly guy too.

I’m super grateful for the NHS in general anyway but never more so than I am right now! I’m sure some people are having to wait much longer but not everyone, I had a great experience.

@DuncinToffee those quotes from No 10 are appalling. We're supposed to be calmed by a reminder that these pressures were all anticipated?

And they say about and did nothing.

Ask me in 10 years' time. Any new venture has a start up-cost

This became JRM's line after the event. Every objective commentator agrees the voting public were not fully informed about the need to delay gratification. In fact, nearly all the sloganeering suggested immediate benefit - especially for the NHS.

New venture! 🤣🤣 For all the business guff, there's been plenty of business failures. You Tories are clinging to the vaguest hopes now.

Nope, they're not stupid, but they think we are. They hold us in complete contempt. They believe we're powerless to stop them.

Judging by the lack of response on the streets, and the lily-livered TUC, I fear they may be right...