Are they all hiding in a fucking fridge?

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The government? Where is the leadership? The reassurance that the problem is being addressed with urgency? Cobra meetings? Horrendous stories coming out of A&E departments right now.

Steve Barclay, the Health Secretary today announced on twitter that people should download the Couch to 5k app to reduce pressure on the NHS.

twitter.com/stevebarclay/status/1609957311610556416?s=61&t=rHTkCD1w_H9OmH9UB2E4UQ

Do your fucking job, Steve. And Rishi, show some leadership. You bloody wanted this job so badly, where have you gone?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-64142614

Not all in a fridge, some are underneath a desk.
Johnson is probably on holiday again.

They do not care. They have sufficient funds for them and theirs so that's all that matters.

They've never cared. But since declaring that the pandemic was over it is more blatant.

Yep, a few months after starting jogging I slipped a disk leading to a v painful trapped nerve and needing medical attention.

They ve had 13 years to improve public health & have done the opposite.
Closed leisure centres, cut standards for school meals, increased poverty.

Not sure how that relates to my point which was about using evidence to make decisions rather than jumping to conclusions based on perceptions.

The government inaction at the moment reminds me of what happened at the beginning of Covid. Incompetent and not caring about the UK population, seem to be the order of the day.

But they don't use evidence for decision making, they use ideology.

BMA don't increase med school places and the Tories don't have to do a thing they say, they ve had 13 years to increase med school places but haven't.

Five new medical schools were opened in 2018.

Only about 37% actually voted for Brexit, given the age profile, lots of them would have died already and new voters, much more likely to be remain, would have come of age. I maintain, very few Leave voters have changed their minds, or I believe ever will even if that means a full scale return to the troubles in NI.

Numbers in med school have barely increased since 2010.

Labour nearly doubled them from 1997 to 2010.

What are they supposed to do? Make empty statements?

Funding continues to rise but it's nowhere near enough to plug the NHS black hole; Our economy is in the toilet. Most people are barely breaking even and the middle classes cannot afford or are unwilling to pay for another tax rise.

What are they supposed to do? Make empty statements?

Well they're supposed to run the country so if the best they can do is make empty statements (and they aren't even doing that) then it's time we got a government who are capable of actually taking action on stuff.

Well good luck with that. I don't trust Labour to do any better.

There will never be enough money to make the NHS work in its current form. It's not the 1950s any more.

Apparently the LibDems have asked for a recall of parliament and a statement to the house.

So, instead of you asking the OP rhetorical questions, what do you suggest?

Family member work in the ambulance service. 29 ambulances waiting outside one hospital A&E department when they got there on their last shift. They spent their entire 12 shift just sat waiting in line.

Do you understand the difference between 'we need to have a plan to overhaul the NHS' and 'we need the government to address the current crisis in A&E given the hugely concerning headlines and breakdown in emergency care'?

People are worried, and with reason. Leaders should be leading.

When there was a petrol crisis, they talked about getting the army in to support deliveries. Energy crisis? In November alone they spent £7 billion propping up the energy companies by subsidising domestic energy bills (although tbf it took long bloody enough to get that sorted due to Tory leadership collapse).

What's the plan to address the A&E crisis? Get people to download a running app.

This. The way we run society is broken.

I think, and I am not a Labour supporter, they would be hard pressed to do any worse.

Until people such as some of the pps on this thread:

1. Calm down
2. Stop regarding NHS staff as saints
3. Accept that money is not necessarily the issue
4. Take the politics out of discussions and accept the NHS didn't improve much under Labour either
5. Accept that just because you can prolong lives doesn't necessarily mean you should
6. Accept that some things (IVF, tatoo removal etc) should not be entirely covered by the NHS)
7. Stop closing down any discussion on a root-and-branch reform of the current model
8. Stop implying the only alternative is the US model

We will never be able to have a sensible discussion about the NHS on MN.

Take the politics out of discussions and accept the NHS didn't improve much under Labour either

We are in the middle of an emergency healthcare crisis and the government is doing nothing to address it.

That's what this thread is about. Please kindly take your patronising 'calm downs' and 'don't discuss politics' to a different thread.

100% agree @Katypp

The NHS model of free care at the point of use for pretty much everything just doesn't work anymore. Too many people, too long lives, too little personal responsibility, too complex treatments, too expensive. But, the NHS is like the national religion, so no government will take difficult and unpopular decisions. It's all a slow car crash.

You are being unreasonable to expect this government to do anything to save the NHS. Because they're letting it die on purpose.

The Tories are ideologically opposed to public healthcare like the NHS, they always have been. Winston Churchill voted against the creation of the NHS 21 times.

They have been underfunding it for years. The pandemic put the system on life support, and Rishi and his mates are now just hovering around its ICU bed, itching to switch off the life support machine.

The only way to save the NHS now is to stop asking this government of ghouls for help, and to kick them out completely instead.

Getting out onto the streets is the first step, along with supporting a general strike to bring down the government.
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accept the NHS didn't improve much under Labour either

So, it did improve then??

The whataboutery is ridiculous, to be honest. This isn't about past, or hypothetical Labour governments.

Re the US - agree, their system is shit. But that's where our government is looking. They aren't interested in any European models.