There is no god

[OldKingCole]

Inspired by another thread … I was surprised by the level of atheism professed … as I always though I was in a tiny, tiny minority.
would be interested to see the MN response.

IABU - there is a god
IANBU - there is no god

A massive preference shift towards homosexuality big enough to risk population maintenance (and we should be looking to have fewer people on this planet, not more) is about as likely as a zombie apocalypse.

It always amazes me how so many people don't believe. I've always had faith in God our creator. Our real home is in Heaven. I imagine people in heaven not believing in earth itms 😊

Which god? Which heaven?

Our real home is in Heaven.

A statement for which there is precisely no evidence whatever.

But if that actually was the case, what is the point of life on earth and the whole massive universe around us, and the billions of years before there was any life here?

‘It always amazes me how so many people don't believe. I've always had faith in God our creator. Our real home is in Heaven. I imagine people in heaven not believing in earth itms 😊’

ah yes, I’m sure my nan’s looking down from a big, white fluffy cloud as we speak, wondering if her life her was just an hallucination.

If there is a supreme being, they are neither benevolent, or omnipresent, or omnipresent. No being capable of doing /being all those would allow the awful things to happen that we see on a daily basis. I'm only a human being, but if I could prevent murder etc without any likely harm to myself I would do so. The above supreme being could and chooses to do nothing. Why should I bother with a being like that?

Faith in what?

‘If you're a woman....’ yes, women are still giving birth. Even the gay ones.

Sorry should say omnipotent.

John Lennox, professor of maths at Oxford, bioethicist and Christian apologist. Can hardly be described as thick.....

"Either human intelligence ultimately owes its origin to mindless matter, or there is a Creator. It is strange that some people claim that it is their intelligence that leads them to prefer the first to the second."

Just one of this lovely professors quotes. What a brilliant debater he is too.

@TarasHarp55 I don't think the choice to believe or not is about intelligence. Believing in a creator/god is a leap of faith just as much as choosing not to believe is. I've just leapt in a different direction and my leap is based on the harm I see inflicted by people of faith even in countries which are relatively civilised. If there is a god, he/she isn't worthy of my worship.

Your statement is not objectively true.
Do the math.
Cost it.
Reproduction between males and females is free. That's the caveat.
Again cost it.
The population would die out, and the cost of reproduction would be astronomical. My answers are factual objective assessments of the population shift. Even 10-15-20-30%.
We currently have a growing demographic of older people, there is zero way of paying for their care. It's the same problem.
According to the Bible, the original purpose was for males and females to populate the earth. With the caveat for couples to be married. Every other sexual relationship was classed as Fornication.

And for reference, I'm using the word homosexual because that's the BROAD term as used in the bible.

To answer another post about what Jesus said.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10.
'Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God'.

I'm not making a judgment about behavior, I'm telling you what the Bible says.

‘John Lennox, professor of maths at Oxford, bioethicist and Christian apologist. Can hardly be described as thick.....’

its entirely possible to be good at maths and believe in fairies. Or to have no common sense.

Dp loves him. Very sensible, makes a very convincing argument based on sound objective reasoning.

‘Reproduction between males and females is free.’’The population would die out, and the cost of reproduction would be astronomica’

yes. It’s also free between gay men and women. As in - a gay man donates his sperm to a gay woman.
happens all the time. Not quite free I suppose as there the couple of quid a lot and a syringe costs…
So no, your - frankly BATSHIT -theory about what happens if the WHOLE world turns gay is not that the human race dies out. We’ll just keep having babies. the ‘maths’ doesn’t mean babies aren’t born.
I don’t know why you think gay couple needs IVF or similar?
the people using IVF the most are straight couples.

@TarasHarp55 you're (perhaps wilfully) misunderstanding me. Where did I say that anyone who believes is thick? I didn't. What I said is that as a general rule, and this is fact, not opinion, the propensity to be atheist increases in accordance with the level of education, and the converse is also true. That doesn't mean there can't be exceptions. My inference from this fact is that being taught to think critically allows people to question what they have been told. I don't think that's very controversial or offensive either! Of course there will still be very clever, highly educated people who are the exceptions to the trend, but you only have to look at levels of education across the world and the grip that religion has where people are not educated to grasp my general point.

And others make sound arguments based on objective reasoning which reaches exactly the opposite conclusions. It's quite possible to make arguments which prove any individuals thinking. It would be quite possible to reach very distasteful conclusions on any number of topics, people have and do, but it does not make them right. Some choose to believe, some decide that based on their experiences that there is no god. I gave up after my mother died, why would god take a mother away from a child who needed her? What sort of cruel person does that? I stood in my school assembly and prayed for my mum, I was ignored.

Reproduction between males and females is free.

Not always - see IVF. And reproduction between two females is also often free, unless you're going to quibble about the few pennies that a plastic syringe costs. Is that what you're going to do?

And do you really believe that the homosexuals of this world are out to convert the heterosexuals in such numbers that the survival of humanity is under threat? Aside from the fact that sexual preference isn't a choice, please do read back and check out my post about the zombie apocalypse.

Lastly, with regard to your Bible quote: which translation is that, and how does it relate to the original source?

Dianic Wicca.

The third option , humans were created by other advanced beings rather than a God

@PrincessConstance

‘ homosexual offenders’ ??

you’re quoting Corinthians incorrectly -
Deliberately I assume, to have a pop a gay people.
our maybe your bible is rhe Big Hilly Billy version - because the word ‘homosexual’ didn’t appear in English translations until the last century.

Spirituality might take as many different forms as there are people living (or having lived). One thing's for sure, people have been honouring deities for a very, very long time before any monotheistic religion was dreamed up.

Most of the scientists I know are atheist. That's only anecdotal. The philosophers: Aristotle, Spinoza, etc., don't have reputations as naïve people who believe in fairytales. Any Religious cults prefer to recruit the intelligent.

Any materialistic notion that our universe only consists of what can see or prove to be real seems typical of the arrogance of humans to me.

What I believe: There are limits to human perception. There is energy. There is a universe; there might even be a multiverse. As to what forms these might take, I have no opinion.

I notice you totally ignored the rest of my post around what Jesus and the bible says

In Samuel, David says of Jonathan: “Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women.” (2 Samuel 1:26).

And the verse that people often like to quote as being the one where homosexuality is apparently condemned:

“Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.” The literal translation of the original Hebrew, however, is “And with male you shall not lie lyings woman.” The word translated as “lyings” is found elsewhere only in Genesis 49:4, where it refers to incest. In Leviticus, this verse comes in a list of prohibitions against having sex with family members, so it is reasonable to conclude that it is a prohibition against incest.

And in some versions of the bible there is another verse that references homosexuals- the verse you are referring to - but actually a better translation of the word is men who sleep with enslaved male prostitutes. The word homosexual actually only made it into translations from 1948 onwards so its a modern prejudice that has crept in

I'm so glad I no longer really care much what the Bible says.
There's a lot of very unpleasant stuff in it.

It’s all open to interpretation- that’s the problem.
and if you decide you need a scapegoat or two - gays, Muslims, Jewish people perhaps, Whomever really, to make yourself seem
better, more godly, more faithful, then you interpret the bible any damn way you please.