AIBU to ask how long the NHS has left?

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Genuinely now have the mindset that's it's not 'will' the NHS go under but 'when'. I'm not in the NHS though so I guess I'm asking 2 questions here....

1. YABU the NHS will survive somehow or YANBU the NHS is going to go 100%

1. If IANBU when? How much longer do you think we have?

I would take it at source like child maintenance if they didn't pay.

But it's not really fair to ask everyone else or the next generation to pay for it either

What about those of us who’ve been paying for gemerationd above us for 40 years?

Id be mighty pissed off if suddenly we had to pay after paying in for everyone else for 40 years

Thr NHS will stay. It’s too complex to disassemble for lots of reasons including the one I’ve stated here

No.

This isn’t a tory or labour caused problem.

I gave up on the Nhs when Labour were in office after a series of medical nightmares, that i still have nerve damage from.

The Nhs can be good at the point of emergency. Beyond that it’s bust.

But it’s over. There are so many great people working in it, but it’s despite the system, the waste, the poor mgmt, the negligence, the poor wages, the hygene and clenliness, the facilities. For every plus, there’s at least 5 negs.

I knew this in the mid 2000’s when i had months off work for two seperate medical issues that i was repeatedly assured ‘rest’ was the solution, by a rotating group of GP’s, never seeing the same one twice, each denying me access to anything other than anti inflamatories and cocodamol to manage the pain or steroid inhalers to aid breathing.

I recently had to dip back into it, pre covid for some Chest Pain issues. The ambulance guys were amazing…. Beyond that, I paid privately for the Holtzman monitor tests (had to wait a week for the letter from my gp) so i didn’t have to wait 8 weeks for it, but i still had to wait a year to see a cardiologist according to its results…. Saw one a week later privately, with same results, diagnosed properly, back to work after an op a month later.

I won’t go into what friends and family have been put through. Although i have seen Cancer care is very good, once diagnosed.

The Nhs is bust. Pretending it isn’t is just doing a disservice to the great people in it, who are being held back by a fear of change, politics and narrative. I don’t want the American model, but the British model sure as shit don’t work now and as far as i can see, hasnt for a very long time.

‘They came round and offered bread and butter or weetabix/cornflakes. There was no yoghurts, fruit, no option for toast.’

no option for toast….well, that just sums up the problem with the NHS, doesn’t it.

If you think we are bad, have a peek at the US.

I don't get it

so when the hospital wanted to discharge mum to me, too dizzy to get from bed to chair, you think that's okay and it should be my legal responsibility?

how can anyone genuinely think you are responsible for parental care?
how many suicides would you consider an okay sacrifice for this?

"I think you are confusing the NHS with a hotel- why on earth would there be fruit or a choice of yoghurts?"

Not the first time ive heard this "the NHS is not a taxi service" was the other one ive heard. This is why people go abroad. A local taxi driver went to Turkey to have his teeth done. Just under £800 included the hotel AND transport to and from the clinic. He was quoted £1500 here just for the procedure.

And why the fuck shouldnt fruit be available from the organisation with HEALTH in its title plus its champions who are always whining about obesity. Fucking obfuscation as usual.

I’m not sure what the taxi driver had done but people should be careful re Turkey teeth, check up on it first as some come back with issues that need resolving.

YABU to ask as no one on here has the answer and you know it.

It's been on its arse for years slowly getting worse and worse . We cannot provide for our own people yet this last year we took 45000 immigrants . How can we possibly keep taking these people it's such a huge drain on things like our NHS .
I dread being poorly now and many lives will be lost . I feel it's beyond repair it's gone too far to claw back now 😞

As a regular inpatient I'd be more than happy to pay a small fee for food. Hospital food is dire and as a vegetarian I always end up without good nourishment and feel more sick as a result. Even if people paid just £1.50 a day or per meal it would make a huge difference, and there would of course have to be exceptions for those who couldn't pay.

Where do you think we get a good proportion of our NHS workers? Brexit has made things so much worse for the NHS because we haven't been able to recruit or retain workers from Europe and we are very short.

www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23223925.tories-urge-sturgeon-recall-holyrood-nhs-on-life-support/

Scotland in dire straits too, not just England and Wales

A lot of NHS and care workers are immigrants!!

Immigration results in net gain for the economy, sorry to burst your bubble.

You've fallen for the right wing gutter press narrative. Most of the immigrants are young and are net contributors, and many of them are fulfilling essential posts in the NHS.

Old people are the biggest drain of the NHS, not immigrants.

It's all about funding. The lie goes out from Tory HQ that they fund the NHS better than ever but it's a lie. So little money makes it impossible to run smoothly.

Stop blaming the NHS - the government have done this by giving more money to their mates for nothing more than a secure career for themselves once they lose an election, and stripping the NHS.

Where are you getting the money from to give to the NHS? 25% of A&E attendance were over 64 last year whilst 41% of NHS activity was in the same age bracket 48% if you discount maternity/babies born in hospital at the same time only 15% of the population is over 64. (Data is publicly available).

If we chuck more money at the NHS it going to have to come from borrowing which is asking our kids to pay for the current crisis at a time we are going through an economic crisis. We can't even pay NHS staff properly at this minute!

If you look at Chinas exit wave controlling Mother Nature isn't an option so we are going to have to survive winter on a wing and a pray.

Immigrants actually help the NHS by not only being net contributors but also helping with the staffing crisis.

Looking at it as a pure problem to be solved against the economic back drop we have, I would rather spend 4 days on a trolly in A&E in agony than risk borrowing more.

Funding may have increased yet staff wages have stagnated below inflation. It's almost as if they stopped buying fancy machines which they don't have the staff to man they invested in staff they'd have a larger workforce. That's what the NHS needs, not even sure it needs more money, just they need to realise the staff are the most vital part of the health service.

Wonder if the delayed retirement age has exacerbated health issues hence so many over 64s being in hospital

I don’t know but I work in the community and it’s astonishing how non compliant some are, taking sensors off for diabetes because they’re uncomfortable or cutting compression stockings off etc. social care is a massive issue here too, I live rurally where the amount of older adults outstrips younger people here as they mainly go away to work as not many opportunities unless you want to work in health care or farming so there simply isn’t the people to work in care. Honestly don’t know what the answer to that problem is

I live in a beautiful area north Wales so retirees sell up, downsize here so have a nest egg. Some use it for private healthcare, hips, knees etc. Some won't. All our hospitals are on a dual carriageway. They won't drive in the dark, cataracts, glaucoma etc so ask for ambulances after dark.

We have minor injuries unit during the day which do get used but not enough. Many of our consultants live in England, Cheshire because they prefer it. Young ambitious ones don't want to be buried here. They want cities to gain experience not be stuck with geriatric health issues. Their passion lies elsewhere.

I don't know the answer here either.

I think I know where you mean @justasking111 fwiw DH and others from
NW England were asked to go to Glan Clwyd for a series of Saturday clinics to sort the waiting lists. Im told there was was not enough take-up by staff or interest from patients so the idea was abandoned. 🤷🏻‍♀️

sorry, sent too soon - they were offering crazy money to the consultants, but couldn’t get the support staff. I’m guessing their money was less crazy.

We have one of the biggest generations ever approaching or in old age now. I can't believe the Tories didn't see this coming. They are thick as fuck if you ask me. Too busy lining their own pockets.