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To call the police and ruin a friendship?

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Emschels · 31/12/2022 23:58

Hi all,

Happy New Year! Sorry this is a long one!

Me and my friend (28 & 29) have known each other since we were born really, as we both lived on the same council estate and our mums were friends. I have recently welcomed my first child with my partner, and she is his godmum. We do everything together - even work at the same school (although I’m on maternity at the minute).

On Boxing Day, her family always hold a little afternoon get together. Me and my partner always go and this year I took the baby. She brought her new partner (who we had met before at her house briefly earlier on in the year) who seemed to hit it off with my partner, and they were sharing drinks etc. It gets closer to my sons bedtime, and my friend asked if her and her new partner could come over to my flat and have a few drinks once I’d done the bedtime routine and got my little boy down. The night was fine, everything seemed great, nothing amiss. They left at 9.30ish, my partner then went to bed, I did the cleaning.

My boyfriend then woke up at 3am the next morning (27th) for work. On his phone, he had notifications from his HSBC app that his card had been used in three shops around our local area at just before 11pm the previous evening, as well as a hotel booking. He had also received emails from American Express letting him know that they had stopped a £57.99 transaction from a corner shop as they suspected fraudulent activity. We looked for his wallet and it was nowhere in the house; annoyed, he’s presumed he’s dropped it on the way to and from the get together and some opportunist has picked it up and used it. He’s called his bank, reported it as fraudulent and luckily they’ve refunded the money and action fraud have opened a case. Assumed the wallet would be long gone now etc but cancelled all cards and credit cards.

Later on that day, he checks his banking apps. All clear (except HSBC) apart from his barclaycard credit card (which doesn’t show pending transactions) now showing that this card was used in more shops - although some of these shops are specifically named after the area they are in (think London express for example). Two of the places are in an area of East London, which is where my friends new partner is from. For reference, we all live in South West London, about an hours journey away from him on public transport so we suspect it’s not a coincidence.

Ive told my friend that the cards were used in East London and immediately she’s on the defensive saying “No it couldn’t be him, he’d never do that,”. Fair enough, but I’ve told her that my partner will be contacting the police through 101 as these new transactions have bumped the total amount that was spent/stolen to £386 (!!). She agrees she would do the same thing.

Today she has called me and said that she has the wallet. Her partner admitted to it but said he was drunk and can’t remember and woke up with the wallet in his room. She said that her partner knows he messed up and is really sorry. Said she could never forgive him etc etc. He came, dropped off the wallet and she told him to leave. Earlier on tonight I drove to hers and knocked on the door to collect the wallet, he was in her flat. I was shocked he was there and angrily asked him why he did it, he said he didn’t know why, it wasn’t personal, he was drunk but he’s bought the wallet back and now this should be the end of it because my boyfriend ‘has been given the money back by the bank so hasn’t lost out’. At this point now I’m fuming. How dare he? I’ve said it’s not the end of it and if he can’t tell me why he did it he can explain to the police.

On the way home I got a number of WhatsApp messages from my friend asking why we were still contacting the police, and she thinks we shouldn’t do that because he’s said he’s sorry. I’m under the impression she thought that because he’d handed the wallet back, we’d miraculously thank him and not take any further action. I asked her about what she said about not forgiving him and why he was still in the flat, she said that shes stressed because she’s in the middle, can’t pick between her partner and me, even after he stole because he knows he did wrong and can’t remember anything from the night. We got into an argument after that and she’s blocked me on WhatsApp now because I refused to promise her my partner wouldn’t call the police.

My thing is that this is theft. A criminal offence. And he has taken the wallet from the house my partner shares with me and our 5 month old baby. I don’t buy his story about being too drunk to realise as well, because he was able to make a journey on a bus and 2 tube trains back to East London, as well as inputting all his personal information on to booking.com and going into several shops. Also, if he can do this to her friends and think he can get away with it - what’s next? Stealing from her family? Her?

One of her last messages to me was that if I call the police then I am throwing away her friendship because her partner (who is already on probationary license) will most likely be arrested and charged, and then she will feel ‘too awkward’ to talk to me. According to her, I’m being unreasonable because he’s handed the stuff back, my partner has been refunded from the bank, and he’s said he’s sorry, so I should just leave it there.

Im very very stoic on this but does anyone else think that I’m being unreasonable and blowing this all out of proportion?

OP posts:
toocold54 · 01/01/2023 21:48

I personally wouldn't call the police in this situation.

Wow you sound like a complete mug.

You’d actually allow someone to come into your home and steal off you and not call the police?!
Jeez where’s your self respect.

Flowerpower2022 · 01/01/2023 22:41

OP you have handled this so well - such a difficult situation. I just wanted to flag that in your original post you said you both work in a school? If that’s the case, it’s another reason for your friend to really seriously consider this relationship as it could have repercussions for her professionally if he’s arrested / it gets out she’s in a relationship with someone like this.

OnTheBoardwalk · 01/01/2023 22:58

@Solonge no need to quote the OP post we have already all seen it

if you click see all on the OP posts you can see they’ve already updated the crime report with the latest updates

Allsnotwell · 01/01/2023 23:15

I think your friend is now back tracking after realizing she’s in big trouble - she was relying on your good nature to cover for her - but yet no offer to repay the money back? I think she’s equally guilty. I also think that this could get awkward as you work together - you may have to discuss this with work when the truth comes out.

kateandme · 02/01/2023 03:29

Stop communication op.as hard as it is.can this relationship ever move on given all that's happened anyway.so no matter what she does now will it really matter after all that previous?
So anything further could be harmful for you.
And remember your screenwriting her messages,she could be doing exactly the same and wanting yo to say or do something g she can grab and use.and you might unknowingly do this in a text going forward.especially when emotions are involved.
Walk away.let the authorities do there thing.contact them to see what's happening going forward.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 02/01/2023 11:32

Very much agree that communication with the "friend" needs to stop.
It's pretty clear that far from being "done" with this criminal she's still with him - why else would she be so keen to know what's been said to the police? - and with an investigation now under way further contact can only complicate things

If you'd been attacked in the street there's no way you'd enter a dialogue with someone close to the attacker, and IMO the response here should be no different

Speakingmymind · 02/01/2023 14:43

as they say “no one likes a grass”

Only criminals and those that want to shield said criminals say that

SaintLoy · 02/01/2023 14:45

Speakingmymind · 02/01/2023 14:43

as they say “no one likes a grass”

Only criminals and those that want to shield said criminals say that

Absolutely. I admire someone who speaks up when intimidated by criminals. Tell the truth and shame the devil.

GCAcademic · 02/01/2023 15:12

Speakingmymind · 02/01/2023 14:43

as they say “no one likes a grass”

Only criminals and those that want to shield said criminals say that

And kids in the school playground (plus those who haven't evolved since that period in their life).

Solonge · 02/01/2023 15:59

NowDoYouBelieveMe · 01/01/2023 16:36

It's the very definition of it but we can agree to disagree.

My God this sounds like a playground....grassing????? WTAF??? Grassing is informing someone in power that something wrong has been done...whether that is police, head of a company, a head in a school or the manager of a hospital trust. It is providing information on wrong doing...bullshit comment about grassing. My dad used to know the Krays...he learned at some point that all the BS about grassing was purely for the protection of those that do wrong. Stop it. This is an adult site for adult attitudes.

SnowlayRoundabout · 02/01/2023 16:22

NowDoYouBelieveMe · 01/01/2023 14:55

Yeah that's what grassing is, calling the cops on someone. It's a fairly common term.

Reporting a crime is not grassing, especially when you are the victim. Grassing is specifically giving the police information which helps them to catch and convict a criminal, generally done by an associate of the criminal.

SnowlayRoundabout · 02/01/2023 16:25

Nocutenamesleft · 01/01/2023 15:33

No!!!!!!!

DO NOT DO THIS!!!!!!! This would be seen as conspiring to fraud!

No, it wouldn't, provided that OP's DH pays the money back to the banks and explains that it is because the thief has returned it.

SnowlayRoundabout · 02/01/2023 16:32

I think in your shoes, OP, I'd be tempted to send one last message to your friend suggesting she check her own credit cards and bank account. If this man will steal from her friends, he will steal from her.

NowDoYouBelieveMe · 03/01/2023 16:01

Solonge · 02/01/2023 15:59

My God this sounds like a playground....grassing????? WTAF??? Grassing is informing someone in power that something wrong has been done...whether that is police, head of a company, a head in a school or the manager of a hospital trust. It is providing information on wrong doing...bullshit comment about grassing. My dad used to know the Krays...he learned at some point that all the BS about grassing was purely for the protection of those that do wrong. Stop it. This is an adult site for adult attitudes.

Really, saying someone is a child for not wanting to get police involved in this case? Contrary to your krays boast, you sound rather sheltered if this is such a shocking response.

Headabovetheparakeet · 03/01/2023 16:59

Really, saying someone is a child for not wanting to get police involved in this case?

But it's not about that. As soon as op's partner reported fraud on his card, his choice from then on was to either share the information he had or withhold it and run the risk that he may be accused of fraud by the card operators.

This isn't about 'grassing' and the fact you see it in those terms makes you sound a bit dense.

GlassBunion · 03/01/2023 18:02

Do not engage with your friend any further.

Do not provide her with 'proof.'

Police may want to look through phone records.

Leave her be.

xsquared · 03/01/2023 23:59

NowDoYouBelieveMe · 03/01/2023 16:01

Really, saying someone is a child for not wanting to get police involved in this case? Contrary to your krays boast, you sound rather sheltered if this is such a shocking response.

What would be your motivation for not reporting a theft or burglary in this situation? Why would you protect a thief, who will only steal again, knowing that there might be a chance that someone is too much of a coward to report the offence because they don't want to be a grass?

The OP or her boyfriend needs to report it because he can be implicated for defrauding the bank, as has been mentioned several times.

AngelDelightUK · 04/01/2023 09:45

Have you heard any more from her Op

NRCOA · 05/01/2023 00:05

Emschels · 01/01/2023 15:46

So we reported him to the police this morning, as well as informing the bank that we now know who it was and the wallet was taken from inside the flat.

My friend has messaged me back on WhatsApp saying that she is ‘done’ with him as she realises now the severity of what he has done, although a lovely follow up message I got was ‘I am not talking to the police though,’ which makes it look like to me that she probably isn’t done, is just saying this because she thinks it’s what I want to hear and will probably continue to have him round in secret until she’s found out. I can’t prove this though.

She has also asked to see proof that we have contacted the police as she thinks I’m making it up - I told her the proof will come when her fella gets a knock on the door.

Is there any update on this?

TiddlesTheTiger · 05/01/2023 00:09

I'd guess Emschels has decided to stop posting publicly about this, as it's a police matter .

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