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To call the police and ruin a friendship?

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Emschels · 31/12/2022 23:58

Hi all,

Happy New Year! Sorry this is a long one!

Me and my friend (28 & 29) have known each other since we were born really, as we both lived on the same council estate and our mums were friends. I have recently welcomed my first child with my partner, and she is his godmum. We do everything together - even work at the same school (although I’m on maternity at the minute).

On Boxing Day, her family always hold a little afternoon get together. Me and my partner always go and this year I took the baby. She brought her new partner (who we had met before at her house briefly earlier on in the year) who seemed to hit it off with my partner, and they were sharing drinks etc. It gets closer to my sons bedtime, and my friend asked if her and her new partner could come over to my flat and have a few drinks once I’d done the bedtime routine and got my little boy down. The night was fine, everything seemed great, nothing amiss. They left at 9.30ish, my partner then went to bed, I did the cleaning.

My boyfriend then woke up at 3am the next morning (27th) for work. On his phone, he had notifications from his HSBC app that his card had been used in three shops around our local area at just before 11pm the previous evening, as well as a hotel booking. He had also received emails from American Express letting him know that they had stopped a £57.99 transaction from a corner shop as they suspected fraudulent activity. We looked for his wallet and it was nowhere in the house; annoyed, he’s presumed he’s dropped it on the way to and from the get together and some opportunist has picked it up and used it. He’s called his bank, reported it as fraudulent and luckily they’ve refunded the money and action fraud have opened a case. Assumed the wallet would be long gone now etc but cancelled all cards and credit cards.

Later on that day, he checks his banking apps. All clear (except HSBC) apart from his barclaycard credit card (which doesn’t show pending transactions) now showing that this card was used in more shops - although some of these shops are specifically named after the area they are in (think London express for example). Two of the places are in an area of East London, which is where my friends new partner is from. For reference, we all live in South West London, about an hours journey away from him on public transport so we suspect it’s not a coincidence.

Ive told my friend that the cards were used in East London and immediately she’s on the defensive saying “No it couldn’t be him, he’d never do that,”. Fair enough, but I’ve told her that my partner will be contacting the police through 101 as these new transactions have bumped the total amount that was spent/stolen to £386 (!!). She agrees she would do the same thing.

Today she has called me and said that she has the wallet. Her partner admitted to it but said he was drunk and can’t remember and woke up with the wallet in his room. She said that her partner knows he messed up and is really sorry. Said she could never forgive him etc etc. He came, dropped off the wallet and she told him to leave. Earlier on tonight I drove to hers and knocked on the door to collect the wallet, he was in her flat. I was shocked he was there and angrily asked him why he did it, he said he didn’t know why, it wasn’t personal, he was drunk but he’s bought the wallet back and now this should be the end of it because my boyfriend ‘has been given the money back by the bank so hasn’t lost out’. At this point now I’m fuming. How dare he? I’ve said it’s not the end of it and if he can’t tell me why he did it he can explain to the police.

On the way home I got a number of WhatsApp messages from my friend asking why we were still contacting the police, and she thinks we shouldn’t do that because he’s said he’s sorry. I’m under the impression she thought that because he’d handed the wallet back, we’d miraculously thank him and not take any further action. I asked her about what she said about not forgiving him and why he was still in the flat, she said that shes stressed because she’s in the middle, can’t pick between her partner and me, even after he stole because he knows he did wrong and can’t remember anything from the night. We got into an argument after that and she’s blocked me on WhatsApp now because I refused to promise her my partner wouldn’t call the police.

My thing is that this is theft. A criminal offence. And he has taken the wallet from the house my partner shares with me and our 5 month old baby. I don’t buy his story about being too drunk to realise as well, because he was able to make a journey on a bus and 2 tube trains back to East London, as well as inputting all his personal information on to booking.com and going into several shops. Also, if he can do this to her friends and think he can get away with it - what’s next? Stealing from her family? Her?

One of her last messages to me was that if I call the police then I am throwing away her friendship because her partner (who is already on probationary license) will most likely be arrested and charged, and then she will feel ‘too awkward’ to talk to me. According to her, I’m being unreasonable because he’s handed the stuff back, my partner has been refunded from the bank, and he’s said he’s sorry, so I should just leave it there.

Im very very stoic on this but does anyone else think that I’m being unreasonable and blowing this all out of proportion?

OP posts:
whynotwhatknot · 01/01/2023 15:34

the mans on license and shes still dfending him-i thin you can look up the court reports online op

dont have he4 rover4 incase she brings him with and you'll be aambushed

Bekindnotarsey · 01/01/2023 15:40

So what’s the latest on this hun?

Time is of the essence, have you decided?

SaintLoy · 01/01/2023 15:41

For the last time, REPORTING A CRIME AGAINST YOU IS NOT 'GRASSING'. Can we have an end to this particular point, please?

newnamethanks · 01/01/2023 15:43

Of course report it. He wasn't so drunk he couldn't spend your money. If she's defending him she's a fool and as she's put his interests in front of yours then its no contest. Not a friend. He's an awful person to have in your life and he'll make her sorry for it.

8misskitty8 · 01/01/2023 15:45

Tropicaliyes · 01/01/2023 14:04

@8misskitty8 yeah I was thinking about the limit on contactless however firstly you are the one to set the limit and unless I’m mistaken I thought it was a daily limit of £100 if that is what your cap is to protect against fraud? The thing is the OP said it was almost £400 so even if he used £100 in contactless he wouldn’t be able to go any further and the OP said it was multiple shops (unless it was smaller transactions at those shops).

she said the hotel booking was done online so fair enough that wouldn’t have needed anything more than what the card in front of him was showing however she does say he used her partners driving licence for something?

whenever I had any suspected fraudulent activity on my card and they stopped a transaction for any amount, it also stops any further transactions until I contact the bank and sometimes go there with ID. She said he had an alert of 50-odd £ being declined because of suspected fraud so I wonder if they allowed further transactions after that point?

No daily limit for contactless. It’s under £100 each transaction you can just tap.
Every so often it asks for the pin.
Unless the customer asks the bank to change contactless transaction limit (not sure actually if you can ? ) most banks default setting is up to £100.

Emschels · 01/01/2023 15:46

Bekindnotarsey · 01/01/2023 15:40

So what’s the latest on this hun?

Time is of the essence, have you decided?

So we reported him to the police this morning, as well as informing the bank that we now know who it was and the wallet was taken from inside the flat.

My friend has messaged me back on WhatsApp saying that she is ‘done’ with him as she realises now the severity of what he has done, although a lovely follow up message I got was ‘I am not talking to the police though,’ which makes it look like to me that she probably isn’t done, is just saying this because she thinks it’s what I want to hear and will probably continue to have him round in secret until she’s found out. I can’t prove this though.

She has also asked to see proof that we have contacted the police as she thinks I’m making it up - I told her the proof will come when her fella gets a knock on the door.

OP posts:
Anotheryearsameshitshow · 01/01/2023 15:51

Ideally you should stop messaging her.....

belimoo · 01/01/2023 15:52

Wow, this is horrendous. I'm so sorry your friend has turned out to be so shit. I couldn't forgive her behaviour, I'd never trust her again.

xsquared · 01/01/2023 15:52

I would be very wary of your friend, OP.

She is demanding proof sounds to me like something that her boyfriend has asked her to do.

I would stop communicating with her to ne honest as she could still be with her boyfriend, and it sounds like he's pulling the strings.

Bekindnotarsey · 01/01/2023 15:56

Well done to you, I know this must have been hard for you to do, especially with your friend in tow. Your friend is upset and hurt currently and doesn’t want to believe any of it.

she doesn’t want to hurt you, and still has feelings for her bf. But fingers crossed she comes to her senses, no bloke is worth losing a friend whom you have had since being young.

look after each other, you both need it❤️

BadNomad · 01/01/2023 15:59

My friend has messaged me back on WhatsApp saying that she is ‘done’ with him as she realises now the severity of what he has done

Yeah...she knows the police are involved now so she's covering her own back by providing "evidence" to show she does not support him.

Ladyof2022 · 01/01/2023 16:00

This is one of the most shocking things I have ever read on MN.

I'm FUMING and ENRAGED right alongside you, OP.

The thieving bastard fraudster robbed your bloke deliberately and stole.

Your are 100% in the right. Call the police and dob him in, and drop her as she is no "friend" of yours!

Nocutenamesleft · 01/01/2023 16:04

Emschels · 01/01/2023 15:46

So we reported him to the police this morning, as well as informing the bank that we now know who it was and the wallet was taken from inside the flat.

My friend has messaged me back on WhatsApp saying that she is ‘done’ with him as she realises now the severity of what he has done, although a lovely follow up message I got was ‘I am not talking to the police though,’ which makes it look like to me that she probably isn’t done, is just saying this because she thinks it’s what I want to hear and will probably continue to have him round in secret until she’s found out. I can’t prove this though.

She has also asked to see proof that we have contacted the police as she thinks I’m making it up - I told her the proof will come when her fella gets a knock on the door.

Don’t give her proof

shes covering for him without a doubt!!

WhereYouLeftIt · 01/01/2023 16:09

NowDoYouBelieveMe · 01/01/2023 15:23

@WhereYouLeftIt

I personally wouldn't call the police in this situation. I would drop the friend and tell her that it's because she's siding with this loser. Hopefully she'll see the light and apologise at some point.

Why is that so difficult to grasp?

"You think that the person who has committed a crime against you deserves your ?loyalty? / ?support? / ?protection?"

I really do find the above difficult to grasp. Why would you protect and support the thief?

DreamingOfAGreenChristmas · 01/01/2023 16:10

OP, seriously, do not engage with her or him in any further in discussion about the crime itself, or your DP's communication with the police or bank. On an official level your DP's communication is with the banks, and it is nothing to do with either you or your 'friend'.

And don't respond about 'proof'. Communication between your DP and whoever he has reported to is confidential to him. Not for you to pass on to untrustworthy friends.

The only 'proof' going on should be that she has indeed cut all ties with him, before you resume your friendship.

MeridianB · 01/01/2023 16:12

I’d block her, OP. No good can come of a dialogue with her.

MountainChalet · 01/01/2023 16:12

You should stop replying to your friend's messages until the police does their work.

KickingHardFromTheFrontToTheBack · 01/01/2023 16:13

Soothsayer1 · 01/01/2023 14:43

Incredulous that I'd actually reported
Presumably his previous victims were fooled by his cover story and that's why he thought it would work with you..... I wonder if he reverted to easier victims or did he up his game and go for a more sophisticated cover?

I hadn’t seen him in years but I got the feeling this was a habitual lifestyle.

He dropped in details before arriving about dividing his time between Monaco and Malta (I think the Malta part was true) and was careful to create an impression of being well off and well connected.

He also asked me to sub him some money during the evening, with (in hindsight) an implausible explanation about not being able to use his foreign bank card. He
made a show of sending the money via bank transfer in front of me, however mysteriously it never arrived in my account.

I think part of this MO (prob v common to conmen) was suggesting he lived a lavish, abundant lifestyle and making it seem a bit small to quibble over bits of money. And of course seeming like someone who doesn’t need to steal or borrow and can easily pay it back – so what would be the motive to steal?

He also hinted at a very useful network with contacts relevant to my career, and I imagine that this is another ploy that works to make people just that bit more credulous and reluctant to call him out.

His excuses seemed questionable but just on the border of plausible deniability – and of course the last thing you want to do is wrongly accuse an innocent friend or acquaintance of being a thief. I think seeing how far he could push it and still keep someone on side was probably part of the amusement. He gave off the impression of having ASPD or similar and needing shallow novelty. He even tried to contact me again afterwards and act as though we were all cool. I asked him to pretend he didn’t know me.

I imagine he’s still parasitising other people as we speak.

NowDoYouBelieveMe · 01/01/2023 16:36

SaintLoy · 01/01/2023 15:41

For the last time, REPORTING A CRIME AGAINST YOU IS NOT 'GRASSING'. Can we have an end to this particular point, please?

It's the very definition of it but we can agree to disagree.

Moser85 · 01/01/2023 16:40

I wonder is he a kleptomaniac as opposed to just a thief.
The criminal record makes it look like he's just a thief but the circumstances of this seem more like kleptomania. He was obviously going to be found out

SaintLoy · 01/01/2023 16:42

NowDoYouBelieveMe · 01/01/2023 16:36

It's the very definition of it but we can agree to disagree.

Oxford English Dictionary gives "betray" and discusses "The underworld code dealing with criminals in prison who ‘grass’ or inform on colleagues". It also gives an alternative meaning "to inform the police about (someone)." I prefer the first. Please explain how reporting a crime you did not help to commit is 'betraying' someone

MoscowMules · 01/01/2023 16:43

Emschels · 01/01/2023 15:46

So we reported him to the police this morning, as well as informing the bank that we now know who it was and the wallet was taken from inside the flat.

My friend has messaged me back on WhatsApp saying that she is ‘done’ with him as she realises now the severity of what he has done, although a lovely follow up message I got was ‘I am not talking to the police though,’ which makes it look like to me that she probably isn’t done, is just saying this because she thinks it’s what I want to hear and will probably continue to have him round in secret until she’s found out. I can’t prove this though.

She has also asked to see proof that we have contacted the police as she thinks I’m making it up - I told her the proof will come when her fella gets a knock on the door.

Proof will come indeed, he can also expect the intel to be shared with his PP. So when his probation officer is back depending on his license he will soon have to answer for it twice.

Pretty clean cut case for the CPS and police. So probably get a court date at magistrates in 2-3 weeks for fraud and theft charges.

Silly man.

MoscowMules · 01/01/2023 16:46

Moser85 · 01/01/2023 16:40

I wonder is he a kleptomaniac as opposed to just a thief.
The criminal record makes it look like he's just a thief but the circumstances of this seem more like kleptomania. He was obviously going to be found out

If this is the case, it's still not an "excuse" HMPPS and services can request a clinical evaluation and then look to support him with this, if it's found to be true.

His defence could request this evaluation for mitigation in sentencing.

But still, the wheels of justice need to turn the same as anyone else.

Vitriolinsanity · 01/01/2023 16:53

It's the very definition of it but we can agree to disagree.

I'd love to see how fast you'd stop sitting hairs and get down the nick if this were you that'd been robbed.

Or maybe you'd just send Terry round with a baseball bat to show im wots wot Arfur.

monsteramunch · 01/01/2023 16:53

@NowDoYouBelieveMe

So you seem to think that if you know who committed a crime against you and you report that crime to the police, it's grassing them up (which is in your eyes a bad thing) whereas if you don't know who committed a crime against you and report that crime to the police, it's fine?

So we shouldn't report crimes if we know who committed them?

If your kid was badly beaten up, you'd report it to the police if you didn't know who did it but not report it if you did know who did it as that's 'grassing' and 'nobody likes a grass'? Is that right?