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To call the police and ruin a friendship?

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Emschels · 31/12/2022 23:58

Hi all,

Happy New Year! Sorry this is a long one!

Me and my friend (28 & 29) have known each other since we were born really, as we both lived on the same council estate and our mums were friends. I have recently welcomed my first child with my partner, and she is his godmum. We do everything together - even work at the same school (although I’m on maternity at the minute).

On Boxing Day, her family always hold a little afternoon get together. Me and my partner always go and this year I took the baby. She brought her new partner (who we had met before at her house briefly earlier on in the year) who seemed to hit it off with my partner, and they were sharing drinks etc. It gets closer to my sons bedtime, and my friend asked if her and her new partner could come over to my flat and have a few drinks once I’d done the bedtime routine and got my little boy down. The night was fine, everything seemed great, nothing amiss. They left at 9.30ish, my partner then went to bed, I did the cleaning.

My boyfriend then woke up at 3am the next morning (27th) for work. On his phone, he had notifications from his HSBC app that his card had been used in three shops around our local area at just before 11pm the previous evening, as well as a hotel booking. He had also received emails from American Express letting him know that they had stopped a £57.99 transaction from a corner shop as they suspected fraudulent activity. We looked for his wallet and it was nowhere in the house; annoyed, he’s presumed he’s dropped it on the way to and from the get together and some opportunist has picked it up and used it. He’s called his bank, reported it as fraudulent and luckily they’ve refunded the money and action fraud have opened a case. Assumed the wallet would be long gone now etc but cancelled all cards and credit cards.

Later on that day, he checks his banking apps. All clear (except HSBC) apart from his barclaycard credit card (which doesn’t show pending transactions) now showing that this card was used in more shops - although some of these shops are specifically named after the area they are in (think London express for example). Two of the places are in an area of East London, which is where my friends new partner is from. For reference, we all live in South West London, about an hours journey away from him on public transport so we suspect it’s not a coincidence.

Ive told my friend that the cards were used in East London and immediately she’s on the defensive saying “No it couldn’t be him, he’d never do that,”. Fair enough, but I’ve told her that my partner will be contacting the police through 101 as these new transactions have bumped the total amount that was spent/stolen to £386 (!!). She agrees she would do the same thing.

Today she has called me and said that she has the wallet. Her partner admitted to it but said he was drunk and can’t remember and woke up with the wallet in his room. She said that her partner knows he messed up and is really sorry. Said she could never forgive him etc etc. He came, dropped off the wallet and she told him to leave. Earlier on tonight I drove to hers and knocked on the door to collect the wallet, he was in her flat. I was shocked he was there and angrily asked him why he did it, he said he didn’t know why, it wasn’t personal, he was drunk but he’s bought the wallet back and now this should be the end of it because my boyfriend ‘has been given the money back by the bank so hasn’t lost out’. At this point now I’m fuming. How dare he? I’ve said it’s not the end of it and if he can’t tell me why he did it he can explain to the police.

On the way home I got a number of WhatsApp messages from my friend asking why we were still contacting the police, and she thinks we shouldn’t do that because he’s said he’s sorry. I’m under the impression she thought that because he’d handed the wallet back, we’d miraculously thank him and not take any further action. I asked her about what she said about not forgiving him and why he was still in the flat, she said that shes stressed because she’s in the middle, can’t pick between her partner and me, even after he stole because he knows he did wrong and can’t remember anything from the night. We got into an argument after that and she’s blocked me on WhatsApp now because I refused to promise her my partner wouldn’t call the police.

My thing is that this is theft. A criminal offence. And he has taken the wallet from the house my partner shares with me and our 5 month old baby. I don’t buy his story about being too drunk to realise as well, because he was able to make a journey on a bus and 2 tube trains back to East London, as well as inputting all his personal information on to booking.com and going into several shops. Also, if he can do this to her friends and think he can get away with it - what’s next? Stealing from her family? Her?

One of her last messages to me was that if I call the police then I am throwing away her friendship because her partner (who is already on probationary license) will most likely be arrested and charged, and then she will feel ‘too awkward’ to talk to me. According to her, I’m being unreasonable because he’s handed the stuff back, my partner has been refunded from the bank, and he’s said he’s sorry, so I should just leave it there.

Im very very stoic on this but does anyone else think that I’m being unreasonable and blowing this all out of proportion?

OP posts:
NowDoYouBelieveMe · 01/01/2023 16:56

monsteramunch · 01/01/2023 16:53

@NowDoYouBelieveMe

So you seem to think that if you know who committed a crime against you and you report that crime to the police, it's grassing them up (which is in your eyes a bad thing) whereas if you don't know who committed a crime against you and report that crime to the police, it's fine?

So we shouldn't report crimes if we know who committed them?

If your kid was badly beaten up, you'd report it to the police if you didn't know who did it but not report it if you did know who did it as that's 'grassing' and 'nobody likes a grass'? Is that right?

If you're confused about basic definitions of words you can always use a dictionary, there are a lot online.

As for your hypotheticals, I'm not sure why you need to know this stuff when we're talking about OP's specific AIBU.

TheDietStartsTomorrowOrMaybeTheDayAfter · 01/01/2023 16:57

GCAcademic · 01/01/2023 00:03

As the thief is someone known to you and your boyfriend, your boyfriend needs to protect himself by reporting this to the police, otherwise he may find himself in a situation where it’s deemed he’s defrauded his bank(s).

That’s ridiculous, acquaintances/friends etc steal from one another 🙄

@Emschels Definitely report. You’ve got the texts to back everything up by the sounds of it.

Nottodaysausage · 01/01/2023 16:58

I would block her and not entertain her any further. You have absolutely everything you need and have done as much as you can do.
I would be very nervous of her moving forward, especially with her follow up texts I dont think it is beyond the realms of possibility that she would end up nicking your phone to get rid of the screen shots.

The friendship is over. You could never trust her to babysit for you, or leave her looking after your handbag while you nipped to the loo on a night out.

I think she stayed in that hotel and she knows he checked in under your partners name. Even self service check in you have to input the surname on the screens

Wheresthebeach · 01/01/2023 17:00

xsquared · 01/01/2023 15:52

I would be very wary of your friend, OP.

She is demanding proof sounds to me like something that her boyfriend has asked her to do.

I would stop communicating with her to ne honest as she could still be with her boyfriend, and it sounds like he's pulling the strings.

Completely agree. This is all kinds of wrong and you need to distance yourself from her ASAP. I’d also get a ring doorbell and alarm. Until you know otherwise you can’t assume he will leave you alone.

Throwncrumbs · 01/01/2023 17:03

Anyone else think it’s a little bit suspect that in your original post that they asked to come to yours later in the evening…. Seems off to me, I wouldn’t even be trusting her at this point… and all the messages saying she isnt involved seems even more off!

Toddlerteaplease · 01/01/2023 17:03

He's already on licence? Even more reason to report him. Presumably he'll be recalled to prison. Serves him right!!

HelpMeGetThrough · 01/01/2023 17:08

He deserves everything he gets, he knew what he was doing.

I'd be tempted to drop her in the shit too, for trying to stop you reporting a crime.

LadyMonicaBaddingham · 01/01/2023 17:09

Mardyface · 01/01/2023 01:42

I'd report it and tell the friend that you weren't going to but you got drunk and accidentally did, but it wasn't your fault because you were drunk. By accident.

Obviously this would very extremely petty and immature, but t did make me chuckle...

CPL593H · 01/01/2023 17:10

SaintLoy · 01/01/2023 16:42

Oxford English Dictionary gives "betray" and discusses "The underworld code dealing with criminals in prison who ‘grass’ or inform on colleagues". It also gives an alternative meaning "to inform the police about (someone)." I prefer the first. Please explain how reporting a crime you did not help to commit is 'betraying' someone

@NowDoYouBelieveMe , @SaintLoy has given you a dictionary definition and actually the meaning of criminals turning on each other is the one most people understand it as, unless you are 10 years old. However, in your eyes it is seemingly somehow worthy to let a recidivist criminal you barely know repeatedly use the contents of your bank account without penalty. In most of our worlds, it isn't.

2bazookas · 01/01/2023 17:13

"On licence" usually means the person has been released early from a prison sentence , on condition of good behaviour. He committed an offence which means he'll go straight back to prison.

unlock.org.uk/advice/licence-conditions/

Of course he knows that, and has put your friend up to saying she threw him out so she can tell police she's no idea where he is.

This will be going to court, you and DH will be witnesses for the prosecution. So between now and then its very important you stop all communications with your friend or the BF; don't see her and don't give /show/tell her any information whatever about your contact with police and how much the police have been shown/ told.

NowDoYouBelieveMe · 01/01/2023 17:24

CPL593H · 01/01/2023 17:10

@NowDoYouBelieveMe , @SaintLoy has given you a dictionary definition and actually the meaning of criminals turning on each other is the one most people understand it as, unless you are 10 years old. However, in your eyes it is seemingly somehow worthy to let a recidivist criminal you barely know repeatedly use the contents of your bank account without penalty. In most of our worlds, it isn't.

I think some people just really enjoy giving a good telling off.

All this reaction because a stranger on the internet honestly answered a "what would you do" question on whether or not to call the police.

Authoritarian attitudes are strong on this thread (and "in your worlds" as well I guess).

JanusTheFirst · 01/01/2023 17:25

You did the right thing, OP.

Saved someone else being ripped off by him.

Newlifefortyplus · 01/01/2023 17:26

Trudij123 · 01/01/2023 00:08

You are absolutely not being unreasonable - and I’d be stepping back from the friend until she realises what a lowlife he is. She will do - but it might take a while. When she does, she’ll need a her friends.

what a knobhead

This!

lamaze1 · 01/01/2023 17:30

She isn't done with him and she isn't a friend. Also what does she need proof for? She knows he did it and if she is done there is no need for any evidence, not that she is entitled to it anyway. Don't get Ickes back in by her once the dust settles. She has shown her true colours.

lamaze1 · 01/01/2023 17:30

*sucked not ickies

ShakespearesBlister · 01/01/2023 17:31

Emschels · 01/01/2023 15:46

So we reported him to the police this morning, as well as informing the bank that we now know who it was and the wallet was taken from inside the flat.

My friend has messaged me back on WhatsApp saying that she is ‘done’ with him as she realises now the severity of what he has done, although a lovely follow up message I got was ‘I am not talking to the police though,’ which makes it look like to me that she probably isn’t done, is just saying this because she thinks it’s what I want to hear and will probably continue to have him round in secret until she’s found out. I can’t prove this though.

She has also asked to see proof that we have contacted the police as she thinks I’m making it up - I told her the proof will come when her fella gets a knock on the door.

She really is something else. You don't need to show her any proof of anything. Tell her to show you proof that she's done with him.

CPL593H · 01/01/2023 17:34

NowDoYouBelieveMe · 01/01/2023 17:24

I think some people just really enjoy giving a good telling off.

All this reaction because a stranger on the internet honestly answered a "what would you do" question on whether or not to call the police.

Authoritarian attitudes are strong on this thread (and "in your worlds" as well I guess).

😂If "authoritarian" means "called the police because someone stole from my home", yeah, OK, I'll put my hand up.

amonsteronthehill · 01/01/2023 17:35

Your friend is an idiot.

Follow up with the police and make sure he's charged if you have any say in it at all.

JoeBlogger · 01/01/2023 17:36

Is there any chance he could have forced to write the message about 'if you report this to the Police, you would be throwing away a 15 year friendship'. Is he already controlling her?

Solonge · 01/01/2023 17:42

Emschels · 31/12/2022 23:58

Hi all,

Happy New Year! Sorry this is a long one!

Me and my friend (28 & 29) have known each other since we were born really, as we both lived on the same council estate and our mums were friends. I have recently welcomed my first child with my partner, and she is his godmum. We do everything together - even work at the same school (although I’m on maternity at the minute).

On Boxing Day, her family always hold a little afternoon get together. Me and my partner always go and this year I took the baby. She brought her new partner (who we had met before at her house briefly earlier on in the year) who seemed to hit it off with my partner, and they were sharing drinks etc. It gets closer to my sons bedtime, and my friend asked if her and her new partner could come over to my flat and have a few drinks once I’d done the bedtime routine and got my little boy down. The night was fine, everything seemed great, nothing amiss. They left at 9.30ish, my partner then went to bed, I did the cleaning.

My boyfriend then woke up at 3am the next morning (27th) for work. On his phone, he had notifications from his HSBC app that his card had been used in three shops around our local area at just before 11pm the previous evening, as well as a hotel booking. He had also received emails from American Express letting him know that they had stopped a £57.99 transaction from a corner shop as they suspected fraudulent activity. We looked for his wallet and it was nowhere in the house; annoyed, he’s presumed he’s dropped it on the way to and from the get together and some opportunist has picked it up and used it. He’s called his bank, reported it as fraudulent and luckily they’ve refunded the money and action fraud have opened a case. Assumed the wallet would be long gone now etc but cancelled all cards and credit cards.

Later on that day, he checks his banking apps. All clear (except HSBC) apart from his barclaycard credit card (which doesn’t show pending transactions) now showing that this card was used in more shops - although some of these shops are specifically named after the area they are in (think London express for example). Two of the places are in an area of East London, which is where my friends new partner is from. For reference, we all live in South West London, about an hours journey away from him on public transport so we suspect it’s not a coincidence.

Ive told my friend that the cards were used in East London and immediately she’s on the defensive saying “No it couldn’t be him, he’d never do that,”. Fair enough, but I’ve told her that my partner will be contacting the police through 101 as these new transactions have bumped the total amount that was spent/stolen to £386 (!!). She agrees she would do the same thing.

Today she has called me and said that she has the wallet. Her partner admitted to it but said he was drunk and can’t remember and woke up with the wallet in his room. She said that her partner knows he messed up and is really sorry. Said she could never forgive him etc etc. He came, dropped off the wallet and she told him to leave. Earlier on tonight I drove to hers and knocked on the door to collect the wallet, he was in her flat. I was shocked he was there and angrily asked him why he did it, he said he didn’t know why, it wasn’t personal, he was drunk but he’s bought the wallet back and now this should be the end of it because my boyfriend ‘has been given the money back by the bank so hasn’t lost out’. At this point now I’m fuming. How dare he? I’ve said it’s not the end of it and if he can’t tell me why he did it he can explain to the police.

On the way home I got a number of WhatsApp messages from my friend asking why we were still contacting the police, and she thinks we shouldn’t do that because he’s said he’s sorry. I’m under the impression she thought that because he’d handed the wallet back, we’d miraculously thank him and not take any further action. I asked her about what she said about not forgiving him and why he was still in the flat, she said that shes stressed because she’s in the middle, can’t pick between her partner and me, even after he stole because he knows he did wrong and can’t remember anything from the night. We got into an argument after that and she’s blocked me on WhatsApp now because I refused to promise her my partner wouldn’t call the police.

My thing is that this is theft. A criminal offence. And he has taken the wallet from the house my partner shares with me and our 5 month old baby. I don’t buy his story about being too drunk to realise as well, because he was able to make a journey on a bus and 2 tube trains back to East London, as well as inputting all his personal information on to booking.com and going into several shops. Also, if he can do this to her friends and think he can get away with it - what’s next? Stealing from her family? Her?

One of her last messages to me was that if I call the police then I am throwing away her friendship because her partner (who is already on probationary license) will most likely be arrested and charged, and then she will feel ‘too awkward’ to talk to me. According to her, I’m being unreasonable because he’s handed the stuff back, my partner has been refunded from the bank, and he’s said he’s sorry, so I should just leave it there.

Im very very stoic on this but does anyone else think that I’m being unreasonable and blowing this all out of proportion?

So he is on probation, and he didnt know he stole a wallet because he was drunk. People dont steal because they are drunk, they dont commit burglary, they dont assault people, they dont become someone else because they are drunk. He knew he was looking for a wallet...and he got your partners. Your friend is an idiot...and she will, if she continues the relationship with him, ruin her life...sitting at home waiting for him to come out of prison. I would tell your friend that its her who is throwing away a friendship that has been present and lasted for years....over a thief she met recently...that tells you how much she values your friendship. Let her go.

fetchacloth · 01/01/2023 17:46

Absolutely YANBU OP.
This matter must be reported to the police as the bank would expect it to be.
FWIW you could do without a 'friend' like that - after all she is harbouring a criminal whatever his intentions were.

Stunningscreamer · 01/01/2023 17:49

CPL593H · 01/01/2023 17:34

😂If "authoritarian" means "called the police because someone stole from my home", yeah, OK, I'll put my hand up.

Me too. I can't bear all this 'don't be a snitch', 'don't grass someone up'. It doesn't wash with adulthood, it sounds more like being a kid.

Authoritarianism is controlling someone's behaviour to an excessive degree. No one is doing that. The boyfriend had choices. The OP gave him the run of her home. She wasn't supervising him or controlling how he behaved or how much he drank. There's a difference between that and having consequences for your actions. Reporting someone to the police is a reasonable consequence for someone committing a crime against you. It's proportionate. It's also proportionate to not have anything more to do with the boyfriend.

Your attitude is that people shouldn't face up to the reasonable consequences of their actions. That's up to you, but if people never face up to their actions, then it gives free rein to anyone to rip people off. I don't believe only in punishment but also in rehabilitation and support. But the boyfriend seems to despise this given that he ripped off someone who had actually been kind and generous to him.

GCAcademic · 01/01/2023 18:09

TheDietStartsTomorrowOrMaybeTheDayAfter · 01/01/2023 16:57

That’s ridiculous, acquaintances/friends etc steal from one another 🙄

@Emschels Definitely report. You’ve got the texts to back everything up by the sounds of it.

The theft at this stage is against the bank since they have reimbursed the OP's partner. How do you think they and the police would view him accepting this money from them, now in full knowledge of who the thief is, and not reporting that bit of information? He be an accessory after the fact if he didn't report it.

rainbowstardrops · 01/01/2023 18:34

Blimey, what a nightmare for you and your partner!
The thief clearly hasn't learned from whatever he's been in trouble with before if he's still offending while on licence.
I'm surprised your friend has been defending him after you've been close for so many years but do you think she's afraid of him?
She's mad to have him around her daughter and also putting her school job in jeopardy.

Tropicaliyes · 01/01/2023 18:35

@Emschels Thank you for clarifying my confusion🤦🏽‍♀️

I understand now how he ended up at your place, I was trying to figure out if he maybe premeditated the whole thing but it doesn’t sound like it, it sounds maybe like he was an opportunist. I think what scares me the most is that he had time to be rummaging around your home to look for this card and would worry me since you had a 5 month old in the house at the time with this guy clearly up to no good. Also to many wondering if your friend was in on it too, I was wondering the same thing but then thought 🤔 she is like your sister, you both have known eachother your whole lives so seems strange for her to be in on it also but then you can’t put anything past these people nowadays.

As for the cards, I also understand this part now also, makes more sense how this could be allowed to happen by the banks if they actually didn’t know as he was just tapping through all the cards until it goes through. I do wonder though what made American Express detect fraudulent activity but not the others.

Either way at least it has been reported now, all you have to do it wait for the outcome and decide within yourself if continuing a friendship with this friend is worth it or not. I think her having tried to gaslight you, underplay the situation and go on like it’s all sorted now is not on, but like others have said it seems she’s gotten herself into one of those relationships where she is being controlled and is maybe scared to go against him. But you both being so close says she should of had the strength to come to you in confidence to confide in you and I for sure wouldn’t bring him to anyones house but 🤷🏽‍♀️ To each their own I guess.