To find Jordan Peterson...

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Quite attractive? I'm a 30 year old woman so he is a little out of my usual age range but there's something about him I find really attractive. Maybe it's an attraction due to how clever the man is, I'm not sure. I can't be alone in this?

Are you saying that only women with an IQ over a certain number can spot misogyny?

He has actually said that he wouldn’t advise his diet to anyone else.

It's the other way around. Lots of hate and ridicule for people who like him or like some of his stuff.

I don't find JP attractive at all, I don't agree with everything he says but I do find his interviews interesting. I liked the one with Helen Joyce and the one with Yeonmi Park. He manages to get his guests to discuss their topics in way you don't see in other interviews.

Not that the OP had to follow up their original post but seems strange not to.

The 12 rules for life aren't aimed at women.

I know, and that's part of the problem. The messages he is giving to young men concern me.

And he's not demanding that women get back to the kitchen. These are simply ideas. Not an instruction manual.
I never said that he is demanding women get back in the kitchen, although that's clearly how he feels.
How many disenfranchised young men read his material and form views about the role of men and women in society? This impacts how they treat women ...... that fact this is aimed at young men is a BIG part of the problem.

As a woman, on some level I agree with him. On the other hand it doesn't suit me. It doesn't cause me to hate him, stamp my feet, call him all the names under the son because an idea has elements of truth to it.

What bits of his views on women do you think have an element of truth?

I hate misogyny so will call it out when I see it! From what I've seen he's just as bad.... he seeks out that kind of debate.

He's the worse kind of academic- as a fellow academic, I find him embarrassing.

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I think he's brilliant. Hes helped change my life, at home but especially at work.

I hated him at first when I heard clips my partner would play in the background about 5 or 6 years ago.
Fell for the shocking quotes and snippets taken out of context. Took the time to really listen to him and read up on him and as I said he's helped my life in so many ways and opened my mind to so many things.
People treat me differently now based on how much more assertive I've become the difference in remarkable.

Some women are thick enough to not understand this, that’s the issue
Comments like this I have to laugh at. Of course anyone with a different opinion MUST be thick. I'll have to remember that next time I disagree with somebody.
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THIS
I came across him on YouTube and thought what sense he made.
I have 3 fantastic sons and worry sometimes.
Male suicide is way off the scale compared to female.

Strange how some pp on here who actively dislike him are the ones being vile to other posters.

Examples?
I'm truly interested in how it made your life better.

My partner and I communicate far more effectively than we used to. We do not argue the same way we once did.

People always took advantage of me, I was a people pleaser and always ended up leaving myself last. This has changed dramatically. Nobody treats me like shit anymore.
I've even lost a former friend because they said I'd changed. And I have. I dont run around after them any more handing out money and time.

In past jobs I had been bullied and it would consume my whole life.
I started a new job with a completely different mind set in 2021 where a truly narcissistic bastard tried to paint me out as a racist. ( years ago I would have handled a problem like this by crying and trying to avoid people or calling in sick like I did on two occasions). My handling of this situation was noticed by the right people and I was made permanent and promoted within 10 months with them telling me they thought I was great senior management material.

I will be promoted again in the coming months.
This is down to acquiring the skills to be assertive which I learned from jordan Peterson.

Of course there are thousands of other people out there speaking on assertiveness and how to get what you want but for me personally, he is the one who got through to me and I feel like a new person. I have more time, money and a better relationship with my partner, genuinely.

And some women are thick and arrogant enough to tell other women hoe they should think.

Can you give some examples please as to where he has helped you.

Whether you agree with what he says or not he's definitely smart. My issue with his type of person, is that he thinks because he's smart and he's studied one thing deeply, he can apply the same principles to everything. My view on experts is that they should stick to what they know.

Answering the OP, I think he's weird so not attractive.

Can you give some examples please as to where he has helped you.

I have, above.

I think some of you should acknowledge that he can help young/suicidal/angry men to turn their lives around.

I've known men given his book who really do change. Get married, get good jobs, have kids, find purpose in being a good man, husband and father.

So whether some of you like it or not, he does get through to certain men.

“Male suicide is way off the scale compared to female.”

but that’s not women causing that. We set up groups, forums, charities etc but if some men don’t talk to each other how can we help them? I say to my partner “did Simon have a nice Christmas? How are his elderly parents?” His reply is that he didn’t ask Simon, they talked about the Boxing Day football and told some jokes. How do we get beyond that between some men?

I have two young adult sons. It’s impossible to get anything out of them at times. We talk but they don’t tell me their feelings. We need to get men to talk to each other and stop this tough man approach. But I don’t think it’s women causing this problem.

I agree with a lot of what he says, not everything but I think he’s a decent man. I do think a lot of what he says is taken out of context and if you listen to the whole conversation, it has a different meaning.

I listened to an interview he did with Helen Joyce, I found it really interesting tbh. Some things I don’t agree with some things I do agree with. He talks in that interview about how some men view women as needing to be the all compassionate, all giving, self sacrificing, non judging mother. I thought that was an interesting point in the current conversation about the current state of sex based rights.

I used to like him. I liked his book "12 Rules For Life", and I bought the next book, which I hoped would be similar. It was almost as though someone completely different had written it. I don't know what's happened, but I don't like his ideas any more.

Yeah, that was a good interview. They were equally matched.

Have you watched his interview with Yeonmi Park? Very moving, in-depth interview about her life in North Korea, her escape and her life after.

Funny how those who love him assume those of us that don't, just haven't read his materials, seen his lectures or engaged with his ideas.

I have done all of that and I still find him abhorrent. I hate his combative, aggressive manner. I've seen numerous interviews where he's patronising and often aggressive and openly admits to enjoying being like that with those that disagree with him and inciting others to be like that in his behalf.

I fundamentally disagree with his views on the structure of society, I believe that societal expectations and stereotypes around gender roles play a huge part in how society is structured- so our views are diametrically opposed. That's not necessarily a problem as debate in academia is important but you can't have a debate with him.

No if I as going for an older man it would be someone like Rick Stein .He seems so gently spoken and loves the sea with a passion as do I. He seems sensitive too.

Quite.

I do get the get the impression quite a few of his detractors are just parroting other people's rehashed opinions.