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"The Magnificent Seven", "What amazing clothes", "What adorable children" - AIBU to think that the Royal Family is just the Truman show for a lot of people

273 replies

cakeorwine · 26/12/2022 09:56

Except the people actually know they are in it.

Such sycophancy. There is the role of the Head of State that the King fulfills but this is an obsession with them.

Their role just seems to sell newspapers now. To generate clicks in the media. And headlines.

They are just a family. I am sure there are plenty of other families with 'adorable' children, where the mum wears 'amazing clothes' (that people seem to want to to go out and buy)

AIBU to think that some of the headlines and the stories is just pure obsession and is almost putting them on this pedestal?

The Magnificent Seven indeed.

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Blossomtoes · 26/12/2022 18:20

The Royal Family works on being better than us. We serve and curtesy to them

Does it? Why do you think that? I don’t “serve” them, nor do you. Curtsying is optional should you be introduced to one of them.

The prime ministers worked for us not just wave their hands and cut ribbons

Personally I’d rather they waved and cut ribbons than cost the UK economy £30 billion in less than six weeks or mismanaged a pandemic so badly it cost tens of thousands of lives but perhaps my priorities are wrong.

Justasec321 · 26/12/2022 18:25

Blossomtoes · 26/12/2022 18:20

The Royal Family works on being better than us. We serve and curtesy to them

Does it? Why do you think that? I don’t “serve” them, nor do you. Curtsying is optional should you be introduced to one of them.

The prime ministers worked for us not just wave their hands and cut ribbons

Personally I’d rather they waved and cut ribbons than cost the UK economy £30 billion in less than six weeks or mismanaged a pandemic so badly it cost tens of thousands of lives but perhaps my priorities are wrong.

You are working hard on the whataboutry today Blossom!

So while you are at - what about FULL trasparency on the royal families finances?

How about showing us the wills so we know how much they all inherited from the Queen and the DoE.

How about we see how much inheritance tax they paid on that?

And so on....

DuchessofSandwich · 26/12/2022 18:27

cakeorwine · 26/12/2022 11:35

These people just happen to be a living symbol of something historic

They are just people.
Yet the media go on about "their wonderful clothes style, their amazing children, their brilliant photography"

And some people lap it up.

They do look better than the average middle aged couples where I live. And since I've become a mum I find all children cute.

They're the representatives of your country, surely it's good if they look nice?

Maximinimalist · 26/12/2022 18:29

Blossomtoes · 26/12/2022 18:20

The Royal Family works on being better than us. We serve and curtesy to them

Does it? Why do you think that? I don’t “serve” them, nor do you. Curtsying is optional should you be introduced to one of them.

The prime ministers worked for us not just wave their hands and cut ribbons

Personally I’d rather they waved and cut ribbons than cost the UK economy £30 billion in less than six weeks or mismanaged a pandemic so badly it cost tens of thousands of lives but perhaps my priorities are wrong.

I’ve met King Charles twice when he was Prince Charles. Spoke to him for a few minutes on both occasions. What stood out was his enormous fat hands/fingers. They are like sausages. But that is by the by. He was very charming. Meeting him or any other 100 times more will not change my mind.

It is a ridiculous relic of days gone by.

Maximinimalist · 26/12/2022 18:32

DuchessofSandwich · 26/12/2022 18:27

They do look better than the average middle aged couples where I live. And since I've become a mum I find all children cute.

They're the representatives of your country, surely it's good if they look nice?

Are you serious? Charles, Camilla, William are better looking than the average British person? Oh my word! What are you saying?

I know the world thinks we are generally ugly with bad teeth but it’s shameful when we start thinking this ourselves. Such low self-esteem.

Soothsayer1 · 26/12/2022 18:37

What stood out was his enormous fat hands/fingers
ah, hands like shovels...he must be a man who's spent all his life doing hand manual labour!?
(what's the real cause?)

Blossomtoes · 26/12/2022 18:37

You are working hard on the whataboutry today Blossom!

I’m really not. Society is joined up. I’m illustrating the special case made to criticise the RF when other sections of society are never mentioned.

I wouldn’t mind transparency in their finances. I have no doubt they minimise their inheritance tax liability in a variety of ways. Just like the Duke of Westminster- the wealthiest man in Britain who, thanks to a convoluted series of trusts, has never paid a penny in inheritance tax.

Justasec321 · 26/12/2022 18:38

Maximinimalist · 26/12/2022 18:32

Are you serious? Charles, Camilla, William are better looking than the average British person? Oh my word! What are you saying?

I know the world thinks we are generally ugly with bad teeth but it’s shameful when we start thinking this ourselves. Such low self-esteem.

I really do not agree their looks are up for discussion..

It is irrelevant.

I presume the poster meant that they looked neat, tidy and classical.

cakeorwine · 26/12/2022 18:38

I wonder how long Kate will be releasing photographs that she has taken of them. When they are teenagers?

I guess at some point, they will lose that 'adorable' tag. Then what will the RF do to keep themselves in the headlines?

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cakeorwine · 26/12/2022 18:40

Blossomtoes · 26/12/2022 18:37

You are working hard on the whataboutry today Blossom!

I’m really not. Society is joined up. I’m illustrating the special case made to criticise the RF when other sections of society are never mentioned.

I wouldn’t mind transparency in their finances. I have no doubt they minimise their inheritance tax liability in a variety of ways. Just like the Duke of Westminster- the wealthiest man in Britain who, thanks to a convoluted series of trusts, has never paid a penny in inheritance tax.

So in the future, when you quote the cost of the RF, you will say that it does not include security costs?

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derxa · 26/12/2022 18:41

Soothsayer1 · 26/12/2022 18:37

What stood out was his enormous fat hands/fingers
ah, hands like shovels...he must be a man who's spent all his life doing hand manual labour!?
(what's the real cause?)

He does hedge laying and gardening. He's an outdoors person

Blossomtoes · 26/12/2022 18:49

So in the future, when you quote the cost of the RF, you will say that it does not include security costs?

I doubt it because I don’t know whether it does not. I’m not taking the BBC as a reliable source.

MintyFreshOne · 26/12/2022 18:49

Maximinimalist · 26/12/2022 18:32

Are you serious? Charles, Camilla, William are better looking than the average British person? Oh my word! What are you saying?

I know the world thinks we are generally ugly with bad teeth but it’s shameful when we start thinking this ourselves. Such low self-esteem.

Yah it’s been quite a few years since PW Tiger Beat days. I saw an old photo of Edward not long ago, had no idea he was such a cutie in his youth.

The Windsors age really poorly …

cakeorwine · 26/12/2022 18:52

Blossomtoes · 26/12/2022 18:49

So in the future, when you quote the cost of the RF, you will say that it does not include security costs?

I doubt it because I don’t know whether it does not. I’m not taking the BBC as a reliable source.

You can look at the RF accounts if you want

www.gov.uk/government/collections/sovereign-grant-accounts

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Blossomtoes · 26/12/2022 18:54

Thank you @cakeorwine, very kind.

cakeorwine · 26/12/2022 18:58

Blossomtoes · 26/12/2022 18:54

Thank you @cakeorwine, very kind.

It's page 82 BTW

The Keeper of the Privy Purse has audited them.

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Mamamia7962 · 26/12/2022 19:05

Justasec - But that's how it is in the newspapers anyway. Look at when there's a red carpet event, loads of photos of female celebrities giving great detail of what they were wearing etc. It sells and if there wasn't an interest and demand for it the papers wouldn't do it.

Blossomtoes · 26/12/2022 19:11

All that tells me @cakeorwine is that the main item of royal expenditure is payroll. That might include security, it might not. Like so much public finance, it’s opaque.

DrunkOnHim · 26/12/2022 19:37

Blossomtoes · 26/12/2022 17:34

You think it’s fair. I think it’s ludicrous to think that’s fair when simultaneously begrudging the cost of the RF’s security. It’s an entirely inconsistent position in a constitutional monarchy.

If the RF exist, I agree that they need security. I do not wish any harm on any of them. I just don’t think there should be a Royal Family. They aren’t needed, they perform no necessary jobs.

cakeorwine · 26/12/2022 19:40

Blossomtoes · 26/12/2022 19:11

All that tells me @cakeorwine is that the main item of royal expenditure is payroll. That might include security, it might not. Like so much public finance, it’s opaque.

It doesn't.

This is from 2011. It's the Daily Mail

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1391916/Edward-Sophie-lose-1m-police-protection-Royal-security-costs-cut.html

The Earl and Countess of Wessex are to lose their team of six protection officers as part of moves to cut the £100 million cost of Royal security.
Prince Edward and Sophie are said to be ‘very unhappy’ about the proposal to strip them of police protection when they are not on official engagements. They plan to dispute the decision.
The Metropolitan Police and the Home Office have been told to trim the cost of taxpayer-funded Royal security across the board.

The payroll is taxpayer funded

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AccountDetail · 26/12/2022 19:53

Blossomtoes · 26/12/2022 16:03

The total Sovereign Grant of £86.3million is equivalent to a cost of £1.29 per person in the UK. Last year, the total Sovereign Grant stood at £85.9million.

Without the additional renovation funding, the Sovereign Grant costs each person in the UK 77p.

Let's put that 86 million into schools. Especially the schools in statistically deprived areas.

AccountDetail · 26/12/2022 19:55

How do we start to get rid of the monarchy? Start a petition to get it debated in Parliament?

MrLahey · 26/12/2022 20:35

Such jealousy of a beautiful family from the usual lot.

Maximinimalist · 26/12/2022 21:35

MrLahey · 26/12/2022 20:35

Such jealousy of a beautiful family from the usual lot.

Jealousy? What is there to be jealous of?

I see a bunch of people who have not done or achieved much in their lives but rather rely on people buying into the idea that they are superior?

What are we supposed to be jealous of? Their beauty? Sporting prowess? Military distinction? Their intelligence? What exactly?

Look at the state the country is in. What relevance are they to solving our biggest societal problems? Oh wait, they make us happy when the smile and wave to us peasants while we graft to bring this country back on its feet.

It was announced that Kate and Camilla were given some military commander role of some sort. Seriously? How ridiculous is that? How does that make any sense in an adult world?

Soothsayer1 · 26/12/2022 21:38

AccountDetail · 26/12/2022 19:55

How do we start to get rid of the monarchy? Start a petition to get it debated in Parliament?

I think they will slide into irrelevance anyway, or maybe implode, or we can just let Netflix do it's work