To ask your thoughts on Andrew Tate?

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I went out for dinner recently and all of my nephews aged between 13-26 had a lots of respect for him.

While I agree with a lot of what Andrew Tate says he then has to spoil things with his horrific views on certain topics and I'd go as far as to say some of his points make him dangerous to young men (it concerned me how my nephews really respect him)

What are your thoughts on Andrew Tate?? But also, why do so many respect him in this way when he is so dangerous? Or is it that most people clearly secretly feel this way too?!

Terrified for the younger generation of girls if boys are looking up to Andrew Tate! Glad he wasn’t around when I was growing up.

@Christmascracker0 yes I know he has said awful stuff- I don't disagree, but someone said he had made acceptable comments. I'm struggling to find anything OK hence asking!

Fully agree and (guilty pleasure confession:) I usually enjoy a good troll.

AT is just boring AF and so far up his own arse he's almost inside out.

This is an interesting comment. Telling millions of Germans in the early 1930s that Hitler was an evil person that would only cause them further pain and ruin would not have changed their minds. AT like Hitler is only the symptom not the cause.

I personally find AT to be unintelligent, simplistic, aggressive, hypocritical and downright wrong. But I think OPs post was querying the cause of his support from young men. If you can at least recognise, understand and resolve the feeling of disenfranchisement of young men then you would be able to eliminate his support.

Simply shouting "go away you horrible misogynist" and ignoring the feelings/ beliefs of young men and boys is not.

Hate him. My teenage son thinks he's awesome despite me repeatedly pointing out why he's not.

He seems to think that he should have his pick of women. He talks about what they should say /or not say but not about how a man should be. How can a man be a good man and earn the love and respect of a woman- he doesn't discuss this. Why? Because that would be too much like hard worm for Amazon prime instant gratification generation.

If you can at least recognise, understand and resolve the feeling of disenfranchisement of young men then you would be able to eliminate his support
sure, but why do women have to resolve problems caused by men?
We are struggling trying to cope with all the problems they cause for us.
Why cant men sort themselves out?

He is HORRIBLE, and I hope your nephews can see the light soon, because if not they're going to be in a lot of trouble.

He was arrested for Human Trafficking recently. I blame TikTok for making him famous. I am constantly recommended his videos despite trying to avoid him.

@Soothsayer1

"sure, but why do women have to resolve problems caused by men?
We are struggling trying to cope with all the problems they cause for us.
Why cant men sort themselves "

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Firstly the support for AT is not coming from "men" - that's too simplistic. The support is coming from a sub set of 15 to 25 males who feel disenfranchised by society and that they are being punished for past generations sexism and misogyny.

Secondly it is for society as a whole to understand, counter this narrative and put out a positive alternative. And yes this means women and men, mothers and fathers- why because it is in all our interests and shouting it down or ignoring this poisonous message.

I agree OP. We should be asking WHY those young men feel so disenfranchised that Andrew Tate’s world vision seems so attractive?

FWIW my son used to follow him, which I wasn’t happy about. I then suggested we watched some AT videos together and I gently pointed out the inaccuracies and fallacies of his ‘philosophy’ - it took a few goes but my son is no longer a fan! But if I took a blanket “AT is an arsehole” high horse approach I think he would have just switched off - I mean, what do his boomer parents know anyway!

He’s vile and thankfully my teenage sons agree with me on this.

To the poster who said tell me something he has said that is right, here's a link - he says many inspirational things mindset related.

everydaypower.com/andrew-tate-quotes/

Just like someone gave the comparison that bad people can do and say good things A being a bad person isn't black and white and those who say it is are quite ignorant and immature IMO.

And as another poster mentioned he lured young people in because of the positive stuff he says, then they also get brainwashed by the bad stuff - that's actually the thing about him that makes him most dangerous IMO.

amp.theguardian.com/books/2022/oct/03/of-boys-and-men-why-the-modern-male-is-struggling-by-richard-reeves-review-the-descent-of-man

this book is very timely, and explained in part the attraction.

Your nephews are not getting this right. Deeply unpleasant individual.

Tate is for people who are disgruntled and dissatisfied with their own lives and decisions. They latch onto him and his diatribe as an extension of not getting on with life and effecting changes where necessary. An extension of taking the 'its everyone else's fault' lazy way out which has ultimately never served them well anyway.

Teenage boys tend to be turned on to him by an elder relative who wants to disrupt their minds too. They don't have these conversations in front of the parents, they find ways to sit and hold court with the boys out of earshot.

Tate is an astute man, he knows exactly how to appeal to weak dysfunctional minds to keep his money flow going. His minions need to be kept away from youngsters, really. Parents need to open their eyes and look closer to home as that's mainly where these boys are introduced to Tate's utterings; if they're not talking to their son about Tate them an elder relative or family friend most certainly is.

Read the comments then tell me if Tate support is the minority and we shouldn't be worried

He's not someone I know a lot about really, but I am very interested in who is funding him. One of my friends is from the Middle East and thinks he's being funded by an Islamic group over there who are fundamentalists and want to attract young men to their cause. I raised an eyebrow until I watched a bit of his piers Morgan interview and saw how much he mentioned how great dubai was and how there are many positives from fundamental Islamic teachings etc and I started to see where my friend might be coming from....

One of my friends is from the Middle East and thinks he's being funded by an Islamic group over there who are fundamentalists and want to attract young men to their cause
I can see why they'd want someone like him on side, he'd recruit lots more with his guru-ing, but I've no idea of that's actually the case!

His name comes up fairly regularly in and around school. I’m a teacher and often he is the teenage boys celeb of choice. I hadn’t even heard of him until fairly recently. I would say his reach is wide with teenage boys.

Interesting angle there which does make sense now, disenfranchised young men lost in a modern world not able to find a place for themselves, et voila! Along comes this bloke dishing out advice to those who want to better themselves. Yep, he’s definitely being funded to peddle a narrative to appeal to the youth of the modern world.

Follow the money folks…… follow the money!

Has he seriously become popular for spouting that uninspired shite. It's quite astonishing how basic young men must be if they're reading that and lightbulbs are switching on.

Sure he's not wrong with some of that but it's hardly new or insightful. Emperor's new clothes.

These are all vapid motivational feel good platitudes that get regurgitated ad nauseum by all motivational speakers

And you think this makes it understandable why some idiots look up to him? This is his big contribution to society?

Spare me 🤢

I agree. It's not a problem solely for women to solve but a societal issue that we all need to solve, just as men need to be involved with issues that women have. It's not about us/them but everyone as a whole.