To ask your thoughts on Andrew Tate?

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I went out for dinner recently and all of my nephews aged between 13-26 had a lots of respect for him.

While I agree with a lot of what Andrew Tate says he then has to spoil things with his horrific views on certain topics and I'd go as far as to say some of his points make him dangerous to young men (it concerned me how my nephews really respect him)

What are your thoughts on Andrew Tate?? But also, why do so many respect him in this way when he is so dangerous? Or is it that most people clearly secretly feel this way too?!

Thing is OP, if you start a thread saying "Andrew Tate is having a scary and damaging influence on our teenage boys, what can we do about it?" you'll get a sensible discussion.

But saying "I agree with a lot of what he says...." just sets the tone for people to tell you you're being ridiculous. Of course he's not wrong about EVERYTHING - a broken clock is right twice a day. But agreeing with him shouldn't be a starting position

Just because someone has millions of fans doesn’t make them right, I mean Hitler had a lot of followers didn’t he.

OP I agree with you. We need to work out why individuals like this are getting a foothold. I think the social media companies need to have more responsibility about the views they are allowing and encouraging on their platforms. The genie isn't going back in the bottle, and the problem needs to be tackled head-on, not with trying to close discussions down and talk of bad parenting.

As for him being right about some things, a stopped clock is right twice a day.

I’d never heard of this vile creature until today and from the little I have seen/read, I agree with those saying your nephews have been ´as suce-lui failed by those around them.

If the views of adults around them is like yours ( agreeing with him), then it’s not a surprise readily

I don’t really know anything about him, but my 15 year old DS thinks he’s a dangerous misogynist.

I have only heard snippets from him but enough to think he’s a complete dickhead. I think he’s dangerous and I think our boys need to be protected from him and his views and ideologies. We always talk about protecting our girls, how dangerous influencers are on them and the way they view themselves and the world. But we don’t seem to have the same concern for our boys, in general. And that needs to change. For their sakes and the sakes of the girls
who grow up with them.

I’m not suggesting the OP’s nephews are the only young men being failed - an awful lot of men (and women) are being failed by a society where the views of men like Andrew Tate are allowed to flourish.

@ThanksAntsThants that's lovely for your son, but sadly many teen boys clearly are not seeing him as this

Misogynistic cunt.

Merry Christmas.

You can’t really blame your nephews for knowing about him especially when those with agendas are editing and promoting his videos to influence disenfranchised young men just starting out in a world that they believe is working against them. I would be very concerned if my niece dated a boy with these skewed views.

He’s tapped into the power of the tribal mentality similar to that which allowed Donald Trump to be President, Adolf Hitler to rise to power, and made Michael Jackson fans cry watching him on stage. I’m more concerned about who is pushing him onto young men rather than him himself- he can be cancelled but they can’t.

Dickhead. My 16yr old DS thinks the same luckily. He was moaning that one of his mates was going on about him.

@mikeyboo exactly but this thread is actually a sad reality of WHY Andrew Tate IS flourishing.

Because many posters seem to have the attitude, my boy thinks he's a dick so it's not my issue - it's the OPs sad nephews who have been failed 🙄

When the reality is, the Andrew rate followers are waking around in many schools, bumping into your daughters and nieces and the future generations.

So therefore even those with lovely sons who think he's a dick, it's still your issue. It's a collective issue because it'll affect most of our youth in years to come.

This is soooooo accurate.

I think it's stupid to start threads arguing that "most teenage boys follow AT." They do not. All teen boys I know think he's an utter joke.

The man has made a career out of spouting click-bait shite. He is the epitome of inadequate masculinity. They say that those who are most insecure shout the loudest - well, never has this been more true. He is thick as mince and appeals to incels and teen boys who don't have much going for them. Empty lives.

As they say, "it's difficult to argue with intelligence, but it's impossible to argue with stupidity." This is why there is no point engaging in debate about this fool. Don't give him oxygen. His dopey minions will move on to 'the next thing' soon enough.

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Most googled man? Before reading this thread I had never heard of him.

He should stick to chess. Heard him saying if his girlfriend did only fans, she'd have to give him 80% because ''that's his product''. Wow. Think he's confusing boyfriend with PIMP. which would make him a shit boyfriend. Maybe it would make him an Above Average Pimp though. That's how I will think of him now after seeing that interview.

The nspcc have flagged him as grooming young men into horrific mysogonistic views and behaviour. A really bad man to avoid.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/06/andrew-tate-violent-misogynistic-world-of-tiktok-new-star

The fact that the young males in your family agree with him,says a lot about the environment your nephews are being brought up in.

He's an absolute whoping cockwomble and wankspangle.

DS8 but I have already started to teach him that the internet and social media is where the village idiots gather to share their unfortunate/ridiculous/dangerous ideas, and to pay no attention to said village idiots.

I hope by the time he is a teen and starts to get exposure to it all, he knows it's just ridiculous and to takes no notice.

He is taught to be confident, kind, caring and respectful to all, and the old saying "if you haven't got anything nice to say, don't say anything at all".

www.sacpa.org.uk/2022/12/12/andrew-tate-i-fear-online-influencer-radicalised-my-son/

I heard a woman say that she thought he was a good influence on her son and I was really confused. She was willing to defend her position and thought his comments on mental health were positive.

I began to wonder if it's some kind of disconnect for me as I don't full understand what words mean now! So she thinks being alpha male is a good thing. I don't know the history of the term.

As a mother to boys, I discussed WHY his views are abhorrent. I explained that while some of what he says is amusing to them, the effect they can have on women is much more important.

Any parent of a son who hears that they respect Andrew Tate needs to have this discussion. Explain just why his views are awful. I don't expect teen boys to understand without the discussion. But if my son's are to grow up as good humans, they need to be told.

I think it’s very unfair to blame parenting when young men get indoctrinated by such people. It’s like saying parents are to blame when teenagers are radicalised or join a cult. A lot of teenagers like to rebel against the views of their parents and of the ideals they were brought up with. They think spouting AT makes them look big and clever, when really they look like little dick heads.
Tale as old as time really, teenagers often embrace controversy. AT had a lot of followers- surely not every teenager who liked him had shit parents who brought them up with anti feminist views.

I like the guy. He speaks the truth & people don't like it.
Yes he is a misogynist but apart from that I find him interesting.