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Rishi disappearing act

176 replies

Ilovemycatalot · 24/12/2022 09:22

As he is our pm I thought we would have heard more from him considering all the strikes and current mess of the country. I’ve heard one statement from him saying he feels bad for the disruption over Xmas and that’s it. AIBU to think he should be trying to sort this mess out or is he quietly working away in the background?

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Cornettoninja · 24/12/2022 10:43

Wouldn’t he have had to be around to pull off a disappearing act?

He’s been MIA since he stepped into downing st starting with dismissing his attendance at COP as unimportant (and when he conceded to attend for the day actually had meaningful dialogue with Macron about immigration).

He’s busy micromanaging the treasury because he is waaaay outside of his comfort zone and is frankly shit at anything that requires public speaking or diplomacy.

He is not PM material.

MarshaBradyo · 24/12/2022 10:46

I don’t think he’s going to budge on pay so not much more to say about it.

I don’t need to hear numerous times we’re sticking to pay as is

Boris - he did have a tendency to throw money around like confetti but I doubt there’d be much left to keep going

Cornettoninja · 24/12/2022 10:47

Willmafrockfit · 24/12/2022 10:42

i think we have all been burnt by charisma,
just do the job

Now we’re getting burnt (again) by lack of capability. We’re currently sitting in a country where core services are downing tools and the PM isn’t even showing his face (ducked out of the last PMQ’s of the year) let alone working on resolving anything.

The tories are scrapping the bottom of a rotten barrel and need to go away and sort their shit out before attempting to run a bath never-mind a country.

Ilovemycatalot · 24/12/2022 10:55

So if he won’t budge on pay what will the outcome be? Can’t imagine nurses, ambulance drivers etc suddenly deciding to stop with the strikes when they have gone this far and when ultimately everything they have been fighting for has been ignored.

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Thebestwaytoscareatory · 24/12/2022 10:57

Ilovemycatalot · 24/12/2022 09:54

What do I want him to do? Give some reassurance that he’s sorting out this mess. And I’m not bringing this up because of some stupid front page news article I am genuinely concerned at the state of this country and that everyone and his wife appears to be going on strike with no resolution in sight.

So you want him to lie then?

The tories aren't trying to sort out this mess, they're actively participating in making the mess and encouraging others to join in.

A broken in-fighting country is exactly what the tories want. It's the only way they can continue to transfer state wealth into the pockets of their friends and it gives them convenient scapegoats to blame the countries woes on, which are then pounced on by their loyal dogs (already seeing this with the unions and strikes, over a decade of tory under investment isn't to blame, no it's those greedy nurses don't you know).

Cornettoninja · 24/12/2022 10:57

@Ilovemycatalot from what I can gather it took a lot to push these services to striking and the only real alternative a lot of them feel they have is to leave. Their jobs are impossible and soul destroying so self-preservation is the only option left to them.

oreste · 24/12/2022 10:59

Well, some of the demands are more reasonable than others. The Nurse's were probably the most reasonable of all, asking him to meet them somewhere in the middle. however, he is out of touch with common people because he is too privileged to 'get it'. He thinks that he will wear them out and they will back down and disappear eventually because they don't really need the pay increases and his theoretical models are already drawn up, so there.

WatchoRulo · 24/12/2022 11:00

Dotjones · 24/12/2022 10:17

I thought his position was quite clear, the strikers' demands are unaffordable. There's no point discussing it further with them. Better he concentrate on ending damaging strikes in the medium to long term by implementing legislation than focus on the current ones that he can't solve in the short term.

Ideally strikes should only be legal if the unions organising them can guarantee that service levels won't be affected, and they are held accountable (including serious prison time for organisers and participants) if service suffers.

You want to wind the clock back to pre-1906 as a way of making progress in the modern world - are you Jacob Rees-Mogg?

Iam4eels · 24/12/2022 11:01

LikeTearsInRain · 24/12/2022 10:38

He got Brexit done why wouldn’t he get the pay deals done?

What on earth gives you the idea that Brexit is 'done'? It won't be 'done' for many years.

Cornettoninja · 24/12/2022 11:01

they will back down and disappear

I suppose they will.

They’ll be replaced by an angry and scared public though.

Petronus · 24/12/2022 11:02

I’m not a Tory voter, but I’m quite pleased he hasn’t continued the circus. I perhaps wrongly assume that he is somewhere doing his actual job.

LakieLady · 24/12/2022 11:03

I expect he's following the example of the last PM but one, who seemed to be on holiday more than he was here.

Unlike the bloviating pillock Johnson, Sunak can probably afford to pay for it out of his own pocket though, and not have to cosy up to rich friends in exchange for somewhere to stay.

helford · 24/12/2022 11:05

CaponeOnTax · 24/12/2022 09:49

Apparently he is extremely hard working and driven. You kind of have to be to be that successful.

I am fine with not seeing him. I’d rather see results.

Very true but where are the results?

extremely hard working? what has he achieved for UK Plc? Govt gilts are heading back to what they were under Truss.

Falling GDP after his support for brexit, a terrible trade deal, the disaster of his covid and energy policies costs us (but not him) 100s of billions... we have different ideas on successful.

Its hardly rocket science to agree to talks on pay and cancel the NHS strikes, instead the "result" he wants is more strikes & more division.

ThisTimeNext · 24/12/2022 11:06

If you want the country run to your liking - fair enough - we have votes, national and general elections, our purchasing power and pressure groups to name a few ways of getting that. (But obvs we won't all get what we want).

If you want a PM who postures, and preaches, and spends hours in make-up and studios - then fine. If you want someone who is poor and has a poor family - then fine. We can choose that.

(I'm not saying I'm happy with everything by the way - but I couldn't care less about the media images)

oreste · 24/12/2022 11:07

He has missed an obvious opportunity to make a positive impact and shine as the following act to Liz Truss. I never thought he had the personality to become a leader. He probably has a massive chip on his shoulder about the way in which he achieved leadership as a second choice and later, just because Boris stood down.

taurussally · 24/12/2022 11:08

He and Hunt are just puppets of the World Economic Forum. Makes more sense if you consider they want the economy to go bad.

Eventually there'll be an ecurrency and social credits. And we've all sleep walked into it.

Cornettoninja · 24/12/2022 11:09

Petronus · 24/12/2022 11:02

I’m not a Tory voter, but I’m quite pleased he hasn’t continued the circus. I perhaps wrongly assume that he is somewhere doing his actual job.

twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1606600685855903744?t=qtiXrEyrYTaDsgcHke1glA&s=19

Sunak asks a homeless man in a homeless shelter whether he "works in business", then proceeds to talk about the financial services industry. Utterly bizarre

originally posted by @DuncinToffee on the
Sunak and winter of discontent thread

yeah…. Sorry, I don’t think that’s what he’s been up to .

WatchoRulo · 24/12/2022 11:11

ThisTimeNext · 24/12/2022 11:06

If you want the country run to your liking - fair enough - we have votes, national and general elections, our purchasing power and pressure groups to name a few ways of getting that. (But obvs we won't all get what we want).

If you want a PM who postures, and preaches, and spends hours in make-up and studios - then fine. If you want someone who is poor and has a poor family - then fine. We can choose that.

(I'm not saying I'm happy with everything by the way - but I couldn't care less about the media images)

If you want someone who is poor and has a poor family - then fine. We can choose that.
What a load of bollocks - properly poor people can't afford to stand.

Petronus · 24/12/2022 11:12

Cornettoninja · 24/12/2022 11:09

twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1606600685855903744?t=qtiXrEyrYTaDsgcHke1glA&s=19

Sunak asks a homeless man in a homeless shelter whether he "works in business", then proceeds to talk about the financial services industry. Utterly bizarre

originally posted by @DuncinToffee on the
Sunak and winter of discontent thread

yeah…. Sorry, I don’t think that’s what he’s been up to .

Oh god - it’s probably best they’re not letting him out very much then.

WatchoRulo · 24/12/2022 11:12

taurussally · 24/12/2022 11:08

He and Hunt are just puppets of the World Economic Forum. Makes more sense if you consider they want the economy to go bad.

Eventually there'll be an ecurrency and social credits. And we've all sleep walked into it.

😂Aye and Bill Gates is running it all using 5g

AlecTrevelyan006 · 24/12/2022 11:13

confusednewbie · 24/12/2022 09:36

He has hardly been a visible prime minister really. See far less about him than we did Boris or even Liz Truss.

I think it’s a deliberate decision to keep him out of the limelight as much as possible. And objectively it’s probably the best thing to do. Starmer is pretty much doing the same. The country is not in a brilliant situation (massive understatement) and both leaders know there are no quick or easy answers so are trying to avoid making too many promises or commitments.

EmmaAgain22 · 24/12/2022 11:14

Ilovemycatalot · 24/12/2022 10:13

Re strikes I think there is a middle ground that could be met. But I don’t think rishi even wants that conversation.

Yes
I was hoping he'd be sensible and start that conversation but no.

MyBooksAndMyCats · 24/12/2022 11:17

He's not PM material. He's hiding in the side lines, basically doing a Liz Truss!

They just need to go for a general election, I can't take a moment longer of this shit show.

helford · 24/12/2022 11:18

AlecTrevelyan006 · 24/12/2022 11:13

I think it’s a deliberate decision to keep him out of the limelight as much as possible. And objectively it’s probably the best thing to do. Starmer is pretty much doing the same. The country is not in a brilliant situation (massive understatement) and both leaders know there are no quick or easy answers so are trying to avoid making too many promises or commitments.

Starmer isn't Govt, he can't change anything.

Sunak is the UK's PM and should be front and foremost as, you rightly say we aren't in a great situation.

Sunak instead wont even talk about the strikes and has spent the time ring round a few pre picked pro Tories to speak to.... instead of the RCN'c Pat Cullen.

He is a fucking disgrace.

Viviennemary · 24/12/2022 11:19

He knows the Tories are finished. Everything is in a big mess and he cant do anything so he is doing nothing.