To feel aggrieved that I've lost a friendship over anti vax

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I've recently had a fall out with a friend of about 11 years due to not agreeing with/challenging her anti vax opinions

We don't see each other often these days and I wasn't aware of these opinions before. They include;

Covid vaccine is killing young people, who are dropping dead at rates never seen before.

It's causing miscarriages.

It's causing lots of health problems.

Pziser lied and said it prevented transmission. (I checked this and they actually didn't).

The World Economic Forum (?) is taking over.

MMR vaccine causes Autism.

The Anish community doesn't take MMR vaccine and had no autism.

Various stuff about Trans issues (kids being transed) which actually agreed with.

Pharmaceutical companies are all evil and have political, economic etc agendas.

COVID was created in a lab, initially in the US, moved to China due to safety issues etc.

Any data released by anyone refuting the claims about COVID has been bought, is false etc

Doctors who said unvaccinated ppl were more likely to end up in ICU were bought/under the thumb and lying.

The Member of palace staff (subsequently "retired") who questioned the black lady during the event there about her origins and moved/touche her hair was - due to age etc - not being racist or offensive ..... I said grabbing and moving her hair combined with the questioning about her origin, nationality etc was extremely intrusive. She said it wasn't, grabbing someone's crotch would be extremely intrusive, I said that would be sexual assault, not "extremely intrusive".

During this conversation my frustration, exasperation and lack of agreement became more and more obvious ....she told me I needed to read about things, do my research before dismissing these things etc etc . It escalated to me walking off.

I have since apologised for walking off, with no response. I feel the friendship is over.

An I right to feel aggrieved, should I have been more tactful? Would the friendship have blown up over stuff like this anyway?

I have a friend like this. Her FB feed is now all about this, and The Plan, and the World Economic Forum (code for Jewish people I think, quite antisemitic and I'm not sure she realises that.) I talk to her occasionally but we both studiously talk about books or things we used to do when we were kids and we avoid What Is Happening In the World as a subject. She seems happy enough to stay old friends on that basis, even though I must be one of the 'Sheeple' too stupid to understand what's happening. I just hope she comes out of it one day, it's a dismal way to spend your mental life.

I'm sorry to be base, but I don't know how you shag someone like that. At all let alone with any enthusiasm.

Well I can’t say I think she’s wrong about all of that.

I have always thought it was made in a lab and I think I heard somewhere that recently it’s been stated as quite likely.

And don’t get me started on the vaccines. They had their place particularly for elderly and vulnerable. But I personally think making it near compulsory was criminal. And then the kids! Honestly that is borderline evil. There was no evidence for that in the first place.

Sounds like you're all better off without her, but how sad and hurtful.

I would apologise to her again. If you want the friendship back.

Tell her you are happy to agree to differ, if that is what you want.

the World Economic Forum (code for Jewish people I think, quite antisemitic and I'm not sure she realises that

I did not like into the WEF; I was too frustrated and irritated by the time spent looking into the "Pziser made false claims" thing.

If there is an antisemitic angle to it; that would fit with the BLM thing and the "palace employee wasnt doing anything bad/wrong re. that black lady, or if she was it was her age" thing.

That means she's not only gone done anti vax routes but also racist and antisemitic routes. I could not countenance that if that's the case. I would def have argued badly with her in future anyway.

frida so when members of UK govt give speeches at the World Economic Forum, do you think they are being anti semitic?

after seeing the Priti Patel Xmas card, I'm not sure any govt action would surprise me.

OP I have an ex friend who would say the same about the palace lady

as a woman of colour, that and the Clarkson thing have really freaked me out.

Yes it really is! You should be friends with people you disagree with!

Up to a point. I can mostly happily be friends with people I disagree with about politics or religion, for example. I wouldn't want to be friends with someone who had offensive views about race or disability or who was a misogynist though. Or a conspiracy theorist spreading damaging lies and misinformation. I'd just think they were a total idiot, and I have no desire to be friends with total idiots!

*I did not look into the WEF

I don't think your friend is wrong about all those things. I lost a dear friend due to the vaccine. Perfectly healthy, young, had the vaccine, developed a clot and now dead.

This!

Yes, this is the problem I have with the Conspirasphere. While it’s a fact that there have been instances of cover-ups by Corporations, Government departments, etc, they have slowly and eventually been exposed. All conspiratorial theories regarding global elites come down to one repugnant form of hatred which never seems to go away - Anti Semitism.

Honestly, I don't think they do anymore. Both sides had affair at some point. This marriage is dead, or as she described: well functioning agreement (aka 2 kids and mortgage). This guy doesn't even want to snip their male dog, because he thinks this will take away his masculinity. Like Maltese dog was already very masculine...

Your friend sounds like an absolute walloper. I'd be avoiding them from now on!

Walloper is a new one on me.

There's no issue with avoiding them, they've ignored my apology for walking off.

I have a friend like this. Her FB feed is now all about this, and The Plan, and the World Economic Forum (code for Jewish people I think, quite antisemitic and I'm not sure she realises that.)

The WEF is an actual organisation, it's not code for anything.

www.weforum.org/

My friend and I have different views regarding the Covid vaccines, we don’t discuss it, neither of us would push our opinions onto each other, probably the reason why we are still very good friends after 25 years.

You don't need to assume there's a vast global conspiracy behind what's happening in Scotland. The SNP is a party which exists for one reason and one reason only, to talk up Scottish independence. They have no coherent manifesto and principles outside that. They are incompetent in government but because they have whipped up nationalist sentiment they keep getting re-elected by people who hate the English. They have gone into alliance with the Scottish Greens. Both parties, but especially the Greens, have fallen for the lie pushed hard by activists that trans rights are an extension of gay rights and that trans people lack rights (which? nobody spells these out) and are at terrible risk of violence (not backed up statistics) and self-harm (also not backed up by statistics) if they don't get what they want.

Most politicians don't have time to go into every issue deeply. If they are told this is a good thing and won't affect anybody else's rights (like extending basic civil rights to gay men and lesbians was) they will accept it. If they are told it's a votewinner, they will repeat the slogans without thinking about it at all.

Only now, as a result of tireless work for years and years, are women, safeguarding experts, concerned parents and LGB campaigners finally getting through to some MSPs and MPs that there really is a lot to be concerned about with trans ideology. Not sadly enough of them to stop this stupid, appallingly drafted law being passed at Holyrood this afternoon, but a lot of sunlight has been shone on what the SNP and others have voted through. I have to hope there will be change. (I am a Scottish expat with family in Scotland.)

she sounds nuts.
and re vaccines - no-one ever said there weren’t side effects but you weigh them up, surely.
many more people died of covid than of having the vaccine - not that any vaccine deaths should be minimised either.
i had my first 3 but not bothering w more. And have had covid since my first booster. No immediate family have had the last booster, except elderly MIL.

This is some of my friends, cousins and my dad. My mum started to go down conspiracy alley but I had some stern words with her about critical thinking and she hopped off that train.

My problem isn't that they believe things might different than what we are told (or whatever), it's that they seem to go around picking up multiple conspiracies at once and it makes me reason that they just want to be contrary for the sake of it. They then lose all credibility in my eyes.

My cousin is fiercely anti vax. It's 'poison', 'major cause of autism' and 'population control' and all that. I remember when I had my son, my cousin asked how he was after his routine vaccinations. I looked at DS and asked 'what is he supposed to be like?'. Well, anyway, their child quite likely does have autism according to several doctors (they dispute the diagnosis). I'm unsure how they now feel because obviously I refuse to discuss such things with them. Easier that way, just to keep the peace. But I am currently trying to make my dad see sense, but it's bloody hard! My dad is of the 'Bill Gates is the pinnacle of evil' persuasion. Alright dad.

I used to work in cancer research and the conspiracy theory is often that the cure exists and is being sat on to make more money from drugs and treatment, but the fact is any ‘cure’ would be so in demand across the world that it’s value would vastly eclipse any treatment/pharma profits. Anyone who knew the ‘secret’ and had the top goal to make money would be foolish to hide something that would easily make them billions. Not to mention the prestige and acclaim you’d receive for saving the lives of countless people.

These people often think the ‘cure’ is just a miracle drug or magic pill but the fact is there are over 200 types of cancer, all quite different and impact patients in different ways so it isn’t likely that a one size fits all miracle cure could work.

I get that these beliefs often come from a place of anger of feeling out of control (maybe they’ve lost someone or felt let down by treatment they/their loved ones received) but it’s such a shame how wrong they are.

She’s either exceptionally thick or mentally ill either way I don’t think she can be reasoned with. And why on Earth would you want to be friends with her

She’s right on a lot of points. I’ve had two jabs (which I regret) and I have no intention of having a third. I am also in disagreement with some friends but we haven’t allowed it to come between us.
There is currently an unusually high death rate in young people. The stats are easy to access.

What are they dying of?