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To not have sympathy for my friend?

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lurkinglittleladybug · 20/12/2022 22:50

I have an old school friend who’s been complaining about her partner taking zero interest in their children. She’s a stay at home mum and her partner works full time and is in a well paid job. He pays the bills and for anything her and the children need but she complains he’s not emotionally present with them. He doesn’t spend any time with them or help out at all with childcare.

I would normally have a low opinion of a man who can’t be arsed to spend time with his kids, and it is a shame for the children. But it’s so difficult to be sympathetic with my friend. I kind of feel like she made her own bed with this situation.

After a year of her being with her partner (at this point they had a really good relationship and lived together) , she knew he was strictly childfree and had no interest in children. So I was surprised when she announced her pregnancy but congratulated her as she was clearly happy about having a baby. She later told me that she knew her partner wouldn’t want to start a family so she just stopped taking the pill without telling him. He stays with her but becomes somewhat emotionally distant, I expect he was in shock. Friend was confident he would change his mind once their baby arrived.

After the baby is born he just takes zero interest, but she has lots of support from family. Nothing changes for a couple of years and then she announces she’s expecting her second child. I congratulate her, again I’m surprised, I had no idea they were trying. She then confides in me that she sabotaged the birth control again, this time the condoms they were using. At this point I make it clear I disapprove of her doing this. She becomes tearful saying what choice did she have and that her child needed a sibling. So I let the subject drop. Not wanting to be the asshole making my pregnant friend cry even though I think it’s a shitty thing to do.

Anyway now she has 2 children and she is complaining about how her partner has just emotionally checked out, not just with her children but also with her. He’s not interested in intimacy and is just going through the motions. It looks like their relationship is well and truly headed for the rocks this time.

I just find it so hard to be sympathetic with her, I mean what did she expect would happen? 🙄… Although obviously I’m very sad for the 2 children who face growing up with an emotionally distant dad…

Am I a terrible friend for not having sympathy for her?

I’m really struggling to stay friends with her knowing what I know, I just feel like I have lost respect for her. Although its difficult to end the friendship because we have known each other for such a long time.

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YoungYankee · 20/12/2022 23:39

Your friend did a truly horrible thing in deceiving her husband. There's ultimately no excuse for a parent not caring about his children, but your friend also has responsibly for creating this situation. I think struggling to stay friends is a totally normal response...

DuplicateUserName · 20/12/2022 23:42

Am I a terrible friend for not having sympathy for her?

No, what makes you a terrible friend is starting this thread about her on a public forum.

Keyansier · 20/12/2022 23:43

You sound over involved and rather spiteful IMO.
I feel v sorry for your "friend".

determinedtomakethiswork · 20/12/2022 23:46

@DuplicateUserName are you her friend in real life?

DuplicateUserName · 20/12/2022 23:47

determinedtomakethiswork · 20/12/2022 23:46

@DuplicateUserName are you her friend in real life?

No

But while we're asking really weird questions....are you her friend in real life?

Unsureofitall · 20/12/2022 23:48

I wouldn't feel sorry for your friend no. However, I really do feel sorry for the children in this situation.

Nimbostratus100 · 20/12/2022 23:50

well, he did create children, so unless he didn't know how it happens, then they really are equally his responisbility

Blinki · 20/12/2022 23:51

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Nearlychristmas123 · 20/12/2022 23:52

The people I feel sorry for in this thread is
a) the children - for having a mum bringing them into the world under such a deceitful manner
b) the dad - for having such a deceitful selfish partner

If having children was a deal breaker then she should have left the relationship and got a new partner.

I could still be friends (I think) but would find it hard to respect her due to lack of morals

Tannedandfake · 20/12/2022 23:54

DuplicateUserName · 20/12/2022 23:42

Am I a terrible friend for not having sympathy for her?

No, what makes you a terrible friend is starting this thread about her on a public forum.

This !
Also if her partner still chooses to not sort contraception himself, after the first ‘surprise’ child, what does it say about him either

Millie2008 · 21/12/2022 00:00

I mean, what your friend did was awful, obviously.

But... presumably the dad assumed the pregnancies were both genuine accidents? In which case he's still being an arsehole towards his children by checking out and being emotionally unavailable.

Also... why didn't he get a vasectomy if he was that adamant about being child free? Especially after the first pregnancy!

Nearlychristmas123 · 21/12/2022 00:02

Tannedandfake · 20/12/2022 23:54

This !
Also if her partner still chooses to not sort contraception himself, after the first ‘surprise’ child, what does it say about him either

is using a condom not sorting contraception?

Sunbird24 · 21/12/2022 00:02

Tannedandfake · 20/12/2022 23:54

This !
Also if her partner still chooses to not sort contraception himself, after the first ‘surprise’ child, what does it say about him either

Sounds like he started using condoms after she stopped taking the pill without telling him and got pregnant the first time, but she sabotaged those too. All that’s left to him now is vasectomy or abstinence, and he appears to have chosen the latter.

I’m surprised they even got married with different feelings about having children, or did she tell him she was happy not to to have them but secretly hope he’d change his mind, then decide to just do it anyway when he didn’t?

lurkinglittleladybug · 21/12/2022 00:03

Nimbostratus100 · 20/12/2022 23:50

well, he did create children, so unless he didn't know how it happens, then they really are equally his responisbility

So childfree people aren’t allowed to have sex? 🤔

Also I do feel very sorry for the children involved , and to be fair I don’t think her partner is a bad person, he’s made an effort to stand by her and provide financially for both her and their children. That’s more than what a lot of men do. It’s a shame he can’t be emotionally present with his family, but then do we choose our emotions? …

And I think I will stay friends with her, I will probably just go low contact for a while.

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Nimbostratus100 · 20/12/2022 23:50

well, he did create children, so unless he didn't know how it happens, then they really are equally his responisbility

She sabotaged the condoms? And stopped taking birth control that she told him she was on. Sounds like he was under the impression he was having very much protected sex.

Nearlychristmas123 · 21/12/2022 00:07

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We’ll you’re just bloody lovely aren’t you 🙄

Bonheurdupasse · 21/12/2022 00:11

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@Sugarplumfairy65
Why do you think so? (honest question, not being goady)

Nimbostratus100 · 21/12/2022 00:11

lurkinglittleladybug · 21/12/2022 00:03

So childfree people aren’t allowed to have sex? 🤔

Also I do feel very sorry for the children involved , and to be fair I don’t think her partner is a bad person, he’s made an effort to stand by her and provide financially for both her and their children. That’s more than what a lot of men do. It’s a shame he can’t be emotionally present with his family, but then do we choose our emotions? …

And I think I will stay friends with her, I will probably just go low contact for a while.

you can never really guarantee that you will remain child free if you have sex, can you? Unless you are far more proactive about it than he appears to have been

ChildcareIsBroken · 21/12/2022 00:21

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DeFacto · 21/12/2022 00:24

Why do you even care?

Sounds chippy.

PaleGreenFrontDoor · 21/12/2022 00:25

I wonder how different the answers would be, if he wanted children and she didn't. And it was him that sabotaged contraception.

NicLondon1 · 21/12/2022 00:26

OP you are most definitely not a spiteful bitch, what an absolutely vile thing to say! Mumsnet is shocking to me sometimes, some very broken people on here.

I don't have a strong opinion on it but can see why you're struggling as what's she's done goes against your moral compass... Even though it hasn't affected you directly, it has changed your perception of her, which is hard when you've known somebody a long time and care about them. Low contact is prob best option if it helps you

Tannedandfake · 21/12/2022 00:26

Nearlychristmas123 · 21/12/2022 00:02

is using a condom not sorting contraception?

Apologies, obvs didn’t read thru properly!
tho ‘sabotaged the condoms’ sounds very odd tbh

Natty13 · 21/12/2022 00:30

Tannedandfake · 20/12/2022 23:54

This !
Also if her partner still chooses to not sort contraception himself, after the first ‘surprise’ child, what does it say about him either

I think this is unfair. First child was conceived by her apparently sabotaging her pill, and the second by her sabotaging condoms. So cearly he then stepped up the contraception after the first "oops" and now he has escalated even more after the second - "He’s not interested in intimacy" - abstinence is the only way he can stop her having a 3rd really.