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To not have sympathy for my friend?

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lurkinglittleladybug · 20/12/2022 22:50

I have an old school friend who’s been complaining about her partner taking zero interest in their children. She’s a stay at home mum and her partner works full time and is in a well paid job. He pays the bills and for anything her and the children need but she complains he’s not emotionally present with them. He doesn’t spend any time with them or help out at all with childcare.

I would normally have a low opinion of a man who can’t be arsed to spend time with his kids, and it is a shame for the children. But it’s so difficult to be sympathetic with my friend. I kind of feel like she made her own bed with this situation.

After a year of her being with her partner (at this point they had a really good relationship and lived together) , she knew he was strictly childfree and had no interest in children. So I was surprised when she announced her pregnancy but congratulated her as she was clearly happy about having a baby. She later told me that she knew her partner wouldn’t want to start a family so she just stopped taking the pill without telling him. He stays with her but becomes somewhat emotionally distant, I expect he was in shock. Friend was confident he would change his mind once their baby arrived.

After the baby is born he just takes zero interest, but she has lots of support from family. Nothing changes for a couple of years and then she announces she’s expecting her second child. I congratulate her, again I’m surprised, I had no idea they were trying. She then confides in me that she sabotaged the birth control again, this time the condoms they were using. At this point I make it clear I disapprove of her doing this. She becomes tearful saying what choice did she have and that her child needed a sibling. So I let the subject drop. Not wanting to be the asshole making my pregnant friend cry even though I think it’s a shitty thing to do.

Anyway now she has 2 children and she is complaining about how her partner has just emotionally checked out, not just with her children but also with her. He’s not interested in intimacy and is just going through the motions. It looks like their relationship is well and truly headed for the rocks this time.

I just find it so hard to be sympathetic with her, I mean what did she expect would happen? 🙄… Although obviously I’m very sad for the 2 children who face growing up with an emotionally distant dad…

Am I a terrible friend for not having sympathy for her?

I’m really struggling to stay friends with her knowing what I know, I just feel like I have lost respect for her. Although its difficult to end the friendship because we have known each other for such a long time.

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lurkinglittleladybug · 21/12/2022 00:31

NicLondon1 · 21/12/2022 00:26

OP you are most definitely not a spiteful bitch, what an absolutely vile thing to say! Mumsnet is shocking to me sometimes, some very broken people on here.

I don't have a strong opinion on it but can see why you're struggling as what's she's done goes against your moral compass... Even though it hasn't affected you directly, it has changed your perception of her, which is hard when you've known somebody a long time and care about them. Low contact is prob best option if it helps you

Yes this is exactly how I feel… It’s kind of like she’s not the same person I used to know 😔

And even though it doesn’t effect me, it goes against everything I believe in, I would never lie like that to my DH and I can’t see how you could if you truly love that person.

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Orangepolentacake · 21/12/2022 00:41

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And the op is spiteful (???)

Blinki · 21/12/2022 00:42

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Starrylight · 21/12/2022 00:45

We make our bed... And then we lie in it? Not sure how she thought the situation would improve the second time around? Potentially she just wanted to secure a second child if he's had no interest in the first, and 'being mum', seems her only outlet in life? All a bit bonkers really?! But dad really needs to get the snip at this point.

Berlinlover · 21/12/2022 00:52

How on Earth is the OP a spiteful bitch?

As someone who is child free by choice I’m horrified by your friend’s actions.

Sunbird24 · 21/12/2022 01:03

If a man removes the condom or deliberately damages it, it’s called stealthing and classed as sexual assault or even rape (the consent for sex having been given to include the use of contraception, hence its removal meaning the sex became non-consensual at that point). One guy in this country was jailed for 4 yrs in 2020 for poking holes in a condom with a pin before using it - apparently he’d hoped it would split so he got better sensation or something.

Just because in this case it was the woman that did it, and to her husband, doesn’t make it any better. I wouldn’t be able to stay friends with someone who thought it was ok to do that either.

oakleaffy · 21/12/2022 01:05

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Flowersinspringgrowwild · 21/12/2022 01:06

Sunbird24 · 21/12/2022 01:03

If a man removes the condom or deliberately damages it, it’s called stealthing and classed as sexual assault or even rape (the consent for sex having been given to include the use of contraception, hence its removal meaning the sex became non-consensual at that point). One guy in this country was jailed for 4 yrs in 2020 for poking holes in a condom with a pin before using it - apparently he’d hoped it would split so he got better sensation or something.

Just because in this case it was the woman that did it, and to her husband, doesn’t make it any better. I wouldn’t be able to stay friends with someone who thought it was ok to do that either.

@Sunbird24 I came here to say exactly this.

Blibbleflibble · 21/12/2022 01:09

No YANBU it's one thing purposefully not taking the pill when she knew he didn't want kids and telling him she was (which I think is pretty shit), but to sabotage his contraception/condoms is completely abhorrent! If a man removes a condom during sex when a women thinks one is being used it's called stealthing/rape for goodness sake! I know it's not the same as rape but its a massive violation.

What the hell did she think was going to happen, he probably suspects she sabotaged the contraception after the second "accidental" pregnancy too. It is so unfair on everyone, especially the children, why couldn't she wait till he was ready and let him have some control over his own life or find someone who wanted the same things as she did. No sympathy for her, lots of sympathy for the poor babies who have been brought into this mess.

Nearlychristmas123 · 21/12/2022 01:13

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This.

this thread have received some very crazy responses. You have restored my faith in humanity. Thank you

Morestrangethings · 21/12/2022 01:14

“I kind of feel like she made her own bed with this situation.”

There are few things I hate more than this phrase.

The friend has done the wrong thing. Absolutely.

I’m not sure why she is confiding these things to OP.

The husband has 2 kids but is emotionally distant because he didn’t want them? It’s not the kids’ fault and he needs to be a decent human being. Also, if a person is so dead against having kids they need to take ownership in this and have the surgery that eliminates ALL chance of reproducing.

OP, perhaps your friendship has come to an end. You don’t like what she has done. But is she a good friend to you, otherwise? Old, good friends aren’t easy to find.

lurkinglittleladybug · 21/12/2022 01:15

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I want to say that men should be able to trust their partners … But yeah if my friend can do it then it wouldn’t surprise me to hear it’s more common tbh …

If I was a man and I didn’t want children, I would have a vasectomy or keep my condoms in a locked cabinet that only I had the key to…

How sad is it though that a person can’t trust the person they are with?

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Alstoybarn · 21/12/2022 01:15

Answer is yes, your clearly a terrible friend.

NameChagaiiiin · 21/12/2022 01:22

Tannedandfake · 20/12/2022 23:54

This !
Also if her partner still chooses to not sort contraception himself, after the first ‘surprise’ child, what does it say about him either

Obviously hard of reading. They were using condoms which SHE sabotaged after the pill "failed" first time.

If a man did this to a woman there would be absolute fucking uproar akin to rape.

The friend is disgusting and quite frankly lucky she still has a roof over her head and a partner who is willing to financially provide. She could be far worse off considering her deceit.

GLADragss · 21/12/2022 01:30

To be fair, he could have used a condom or taken other steps to prevent pregnancy himself if he truly never wanted to conceive. I’m not denying that your friend was devious, but she can’t impregnate herself. I think after the first unexpected pregnancy, he should have changed his MO

NameChagaiiiin · 21/12/2022 01:34

GLADragss · 21/12/2022 01:30

To be fair, he could have used a condom or taken other steps to prevent pregnancy himself if he truly never wanted to conceive. I’m not denying that your friend was devious, but she can’t impregnate herself. I think after the first unexpected pregnancy, he should have changed his MO

Why can't people read?

After the 1st 'accident' with the pill, he swapped to condoms. Which she sabotaged.

KettrickenSmiled · 21/12/2022 01:39

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What's spiteful about feeling that tricking a man into having DC he absolutely does not want is morally bankrupt?

Spiteful is lying about being on the pill, poking holes in your unwitting husband's condoms, sitting back & taking the money he manfully stumps up to keep you & 2 unwished-for children housed, fed & all the rest of it, & then moaning because he's - amazingly! - now emotionally uninvested.

Manipulating a man into being an unwilling sperm donor is an abhorrent thing to do. It's as selfish & abusive as stealthing a woman.
Both acts are basically non-consensual sex - the tricked party did NOT agree to take unnecessary pregnancy risks.

Morestrangethings · 21/12/2022 01:41

NameChagaiiiin · 21/12/2022 01:34

Why can't people read?

After the 1st 'accident' with the pill, he swapped to condoms. Which she sabotaged.

condoms prevent 98% of pregnancies if used correctly. So, 2% chance they don’t work. Low pregnancy rate but still a real possibility. Surely no bloke thinks they are 100% protective, and if you don’t want kids, enough to be emotionally distant from them, you need to be absolutely failsafe.

KettrickenSmiled · 21/12/2022 01:41

Alstoybarn · 21/12/2022 01:15

Answer is yes, your clearly a terrible friend.

How so? Are you able to explain your reasoning, or were you just feeling like having a pop?

WhatTheHellIsAQuasar · 21/12/2022 01:42

GLADragss · 21/12/2022 01:30

To be fair, he could have used a condom or taken other steps to prevent pregnancy himself if he truly never wanted to conceive. I’m not denying that your friend was devious, but she can’t impregnate herself. I think after the first unexpected pregnancy, he should have changed his MO

Read the thread properly - he was using condoms and the woman was sabotaging them

midsomermurderess · 21/12/2022 01:45

I’ve never come across such weird, dysfunctional, nasty relationships masquerading under the name ‘friend’ anywhere but on this site.

GLADragss · 21/12/2022 01:52

Look, vasectomies exist. He’s not an innocent angel here, condoms are never 100% effective against pregnancy. He’s continuing to engage in sex which shockingly runs the risk of pregnancy. He’s allowed himself to be fooled twice here. She’s proven herself to be devious once, yet he’s continued having sex with her so therefore accepted that risk. If he truly wanted to be child free, he could have considered sterilisation

kateandme · 21/12/2022 01:53

If this was a woman we'd be saying she's been abused,needs to be told and to get away from him fast.

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