Another dog kills. When is something going to be done?

[ofwarren]

AIBU to think that there needs to be a dog licence or at least SOMETHING put in place to try and prevent deaths by these dogs?
I was not at all surprised to read the breed..
"The dog, a large black XL bully cross cane corso breed, was seized by officers and has been destroyed."

metro.co.uk/2022/12/20/woman-dies-after-being-mauled-in-dog-attack-in-her-own-home-17970433/?ito=socialmetrouktwitter

No the increase in attacks isn't simply correlated to the number of dogs

It used to be a thing that only responsible owners did and it did nothing at all for the problems. It still wouldn't. Not one single abuse case or attack would be prevented. Driving licences have stopped drink driving or idiot / careless drivers.

Yes there's breeds that have propensities towards aggressive behaviours. But dogs are shaped by their experiences. Just as children are. The issues are not the result of dogs or dog behaviour. They are the result of humans. Yes, every dog could bite in the right circumstances. Every human can attack you too. My service dog would very definitely be protective if you threaten me. But dogs take their behaviour and cues from us. The issue isn't dogs. It's humans.

Usual breed and shit owner.
Stop breeding them

I’d love a cane corso they are beautiful dogs

I will admit I am quite probably in the minority

I say this as a Middle Aged woman who wouldn’t fit the image of owning this type of dog

But I am what I’d class as an experienced owner and have had large breed dogs before all of them as soft as cuddly bear and never left with children unattended

I would be happy to have a license and attend training etc

The excuses are now piling in. What is it about dogs that makes so many people defensive?

There's also been an increase in violent crimes person on person, should we be banning people too?

We do ban them, by locking them up in prison, putting them in probation, putting electronic ankle tags on them, fines and or monitored community service. Some would like a referendum on bringing back hanging and of course in some countries there's still the death penalty, beatings, and other measures.

And that's humans.

Banning dangerous dog breeds from lay ownership is the basics that can be done.

You were extremely foolish to allow your toddler to run up to a dog so little wonder the owner shouted IMO. It wasn't the person walking their dog off lead that was the problem the person at fault in that situation was yourself.

Absolutely agree, I also have a staffie who is an absolute diamond and I can't imagine a better, softer family dog. Excellent recall and rarely goes further than 20ft away from us on walks anyway.

I could get behind dog licenses and regulated breeders for certain though

I do feel like dogs are taking over the world. I wish our park would have a "dog free hour" or something just so that I could go there knowing there wouldn't be any dogs. But even pubs, cafes and hotels are now all "dog friendly".

I was in a cafe in the Lake District the other week. It was very busy and every table had a dog with them. They all started barking at each other at once - dreadful! I just wanted a cup of tea.

No, the increase in attacks predates the recent surge in dog ownership. There is something else going on but I couldn't say what that is.

It's more about owners than dogs imo.

We went into a dog friendly garden centre yesterday, and in front of us was a couple with a 'safe' dog. But it was on a VERY long lead and allowed to wander all over, causing disruption amd knocking over a stand. Why oh why are people so naive to think that their precious little 'pup' is OK to behave like this?

I think all dangerous breeds, or those that look like dangerous breeds, should be banned and the dogs destroyed.

The people saying that it's a tiny problem are deluded. Nobody should have the 'right' to own a potentially dangerous animal. They're all going to think their dog is different, until it isn't and somebody is savaged or killed.

I saw a guy walking two pit bull type dogs near me. To be fair, he was using very strong rope, but I could see that he was bracing his entire weight against the leads just to control them at walking pace. I doubt he could have controlled them if they'd gone for somebody. These dogs were massive, pure muscle, beasts and an adult, let alone a child, wouldn't stand a chance.

There is absolutely no reason why anybody needs to own dogs like that.

Perhaps dog owners need to decide if they want all visibly dangerous dogs banned or compulsory muzzles enforced with automatic lethal injection for any contraventions (no matter what the breed or circumstances).

Dog owners knowing that their dogs will be destroyed, no questions asked, is the only way you'll get them to comply with legislation.

What I really hate is in the aftermath of these kind of attacks the amount who soley place the blame on the owners.
That's not to say the owners are innocent by any means but any being has the potential to be violent no matter their upbringing. We see this with human children all the time, fantastic up bringing but their still delinquents.
Certain breads of dog are prone to violent responses and are physically capable of causing more damage than others. We can never be sure it's been trained out of them which is why they're banned to begin with. We need to crack down on these violent types of dogs with hefty fines for those who are caught owning or breading them

Completely agree and makes it even worse when the dogs have form for jumping on strangers.

An 83 year old pensioner!
I wonder who the dog belonged to?
Said her son was injured and several in their 20s were arrested.
Her grandkids?

Story said it happened in Caterpilly just a mile from where the little boy was killed.
Is Caterpilly a trashy area?

yep, a family friend of mine had one of those type of dogs ( can’t remember the exact type but looked pitbullish but not a pitbull) they kept assuring me it was a family dog, a friendly dog blah blah and I know they didn’t raise it to be aggressive at all.

However I point blanked refused to visit them once the dog was there and then I heard it had out of the blue attacked their middle child who was about 9 years old at the time. She had to go to hospital, but the dog had apparently only let go when the dad jumped in and hit it.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom

Just look how often they are featured on this list. Now try looking for poodles or labradors or spaniels. I used to work in a boarding kennels and in that situation (away from owner, possibly a bit stressed) the male staffies were, without exception, aggressive. The bitches were generally ok. You don't know how your dog behaves when you are not around. It is not a breed I would ever choose to have around small children.

When looking at dog breeds you need to consider what they have been bred for. Fighting dogs are going to have different traits to lap dogs, guard dogs will be different to gun dogs. Of course breeding, the start they have in life and how well the owner handles a dog all make a difference but you can't ignore the breed.

Well no, certain breeds were banned in rushed through unresearched legislation as a knee jerk reaction to some high profile cases.

It’s been 30 years, incidents have risen, it’s not an effective way of preventing issues.

It absolutely is people that are the problem, if you own a dog with behavioural issues it’s on you to keep people safe from it, if you’re unable to do that, you shouldn’t have it.

I’m genuinely at a loss as to why these breed isn’t banned. How many more deaths before someone cares?

BIL has one. He calls it his teddy bear and ‘play fights’ with it. And wonders why we don’t want it anywhere near our kids. I worry for my nieces - it can’t end well having a big stupid killing machine in the house.

Uh the usual ‘blame the owner not the breed’.

No. Objectively some breeds and more dangerous and powerful than others. What’s not to understand?

I don't know what the answer is, but recently a local rescue took in two adult XL bullies who had been used for breeding. They were discovered in tiny cages in an otherwise empty house with concrete floors being fed by a man who visited them once or twice a week. Neighbours had complained about the barking and howling. An awful, lonely life for those dogs and I can't imagine the stress they were under. Sadly these breeds are often bred, bought and kept by shady fucking humans without an ounce of compassion or sense.

Think dogs like XL bullies should be banned.

But like someone else said, there's still other breeds like German shepherds so this problem can never fully be avoided. A complete ban on bigger breeds would be very unpopular

Caerphilly, not Caterphilly.

Like all towns it has its nicer and less nice areas. It's sandwiched between north Cardiff (lots of nice suburbs) and the Welsh valleys (really quite deprived).

I don't know Caerphilly well enough to talk about the specific neighbourhood though.

My son was attacked by a dog when he was sitting in his pram at a playground. He was only 6 months old. I don't trust any dogs around my kids now - the owner said 'oh he's never done anything like this before'...

Unfortunately potentially true for any breed, any can snap when provoked, and too often people don't know what could provoke them. Can be as simple as picking up their food bowl or toy, and they think you're taking it. And while rare, if theyre in pain or unwell their behaviour can change. I knew someone attacked by a family dog which turned out to have a brain tumor.
We had a giant breed, incredibly soppy, a breed well known for being like a giant Teddy bear. So gentle with everyone. I've known people with aggressive chihuahuas who regularly nipped people and lost their minds, but it was always 'oh silly dog. It's OK, he's so little he can't hurt you'. Bloody hate people who think that way and don't attempt to train their dogs. Pretty sure chihuahuas, papillons and jack Russell are some of the most likely to bite, though they make news less often as they rarely result in a human death or severe maiming. I'd never let my children around a small dog because personally I think too many are poorly trained and dangerous.

But yes, a million times worse when dogs are trained to be aggressive. Trying to compensate much!

My collie is not far off the size of a female Shepard. Labs and retrievers can be huge. Should they all be banned too? Where would you draw the line?