Another dog kills. When is something going to be done?

[ofwarren]

AIBU to think that there needs to be a dog licence or at least SOMETHING put in place to try and prevent deaths by these dogs?
I was not at all surprised to read the breed..
"The dog, a large black XL bully cross cane corso breed, was seized by officers and has been destroyed."

metro.co.uk/2022/12/20/woman-dies-after-being-mauled-in-dog-attack-in-her-own-home-17970433/?ito=socialmetrouktwitter

So they should be muzzled in public places and, if the owners fail to muzzle them, the dogs should be destroyed. No exceptions.

It's the only way that dog owners will get the message regarding public safety.

I don’t know much about this area but the fact two dog attacks have happened streets away within a year would suggest people are breeding and keeping dangerous dogs around there. This whole ‘trend’ of having a dangerous looking dog has somehow came about in the last few years, I don’t get it at all.

No matter how many times it’s said, it’s always ignored. It’s not the dogs, it’s the people. If you wrote down on a piece of paper how that dog found itself at that point in life it would no doubt be a whole catalogue of events leading up to today. So sad for the lady who lost her life. It’s just pure luck this hasn’t happened in so so many other circumstances. We met someone out a walk the other day with a remote in his hand. My husband was chatting to him then noticed the remote and asked what it was for. He said it was a shock collar 😑 Shock collars are banned for a reason. If you need a shock collar, you shouldn’t be out a walk. If you don’t need a shock collar, you’re being extremely cruel. It’s attitudes like this that cause this whole problem, the guy was so chuffed with himself like he was really cool 🤦🏼‍♀️

These accidents don't seem to be happening in 'public places' though do they? These are happening in private residences for the most part. It isn't Jane walking her bichon frise down the park without a muzzle that is the problem so why make it her problem? These threads are always so hysterical, it does no one any good.

I live next door to one of these horrible things. I have reported it 5 times for aggressive and out of control behaviour but nothing is done. It has killed a dog and hospitalised a person already this year. The police and courts did nothing. It’s disgraceful. It will eventually kill. It almost did.
These xl bullies should be banned.
I know a person who had a pit bull and police found out and it was pts, it has never attacked anyone but because it was a banned breed it was automatically pts. Why can’t the same happen to these xl bully breeds.
I own a large dog. I’m confident I could take it down if it ever chose to attack. I’m not stupid or irresponsible even so.
It’s always these xl bullies.

The licence needs to be for the dog and in the form of a disk that has to be attached to the dog's collar so it is clear that it is licenced.

These dogs are usually pretty much confined to their houses and yards because their owners cant be arsed. How will anyone even know if they display their disc on their collar when no one ever sees it? Where is the money going to cone from to police tax discs on dogs?

1. Breeding needs to be much much more controlled and breeders needing to be licensed.
2. Dogs needing homes need to come from licensed breeders or rescue centres - no direct advertising.
3. All dog owners need to undergo training. Dogs who fail need restrictions placed on where they can go or when or possibly even been pts. Dogs who have complaints lodged against them need additional training (with their owners of course). Details of training need to go on a database with the dogs microchip so police can do random checks to ensure dogs out in public
4. Every park needs to be built with dog parks where dogs can run off lead. They need to be on leads elsewhere.
5. Dogs who bite humans get an automatic PTS.
6. Certain breeds need complete bans or exemptions for people who want to own them.

The law is already clear - dogs can only be off lead if they are under control - which means a good recall by their owners. The problem is that no one is enforcing this. But a few spot checks would really help. No need for muzzles or always on lead rules. I have two dogs, a Jack Russell and a Rottweiler and am regularly stopped by people who want to comment on how well behaved they are. But it did not happen by accident, it took years to get them to this point.

^This

That's insane.
If a dog has hospitalised a person, in my opinion they should be put to sleep.

@ofwarren absolutely. The poor guy has had surgery and took months to recover yet nothing was done with the dog.

Stuff like this needs to be taken far more seriously. It is a disaster waiting to happen.

Why should dogs be allowed in pubic places without a muzzle?

I hate to say it but there is no answer to prevent this happening as there will always be irresponsible wanker owners. I feel for the dogs, most of them are tied up in gardens going stir crazy. We can’t prevent puppy farms either, it’s hopeless. God it makes me so angry!

Why should dogs be allowed in pubic places without a muzzle?

Why should they be? It is a tiny proportion of dogs who bite and most of these deaths happen in homes. This would be a ridiculous thing to do.

Exactly. I had a quick look through the past few years deaths from dog attacks and I think all but one happened on private property. There is no logical reason to muzzle Betty's pugs for a short waddle around the park for instance. Who would benefit from that?

Dogs do bite strangers in pubic places. Why should any level of biting be tolerated? Dog owners have signed up to risks of dog ownership. The rest of the population haven't.

If all dogs were muzzled in public places, there would be zero dog bite victims in pubic places.

It seems ilogical to allow dog owners to inflict this danger on the rest of society.

I say this as somebody that likes (nice) dogs, but loves DC a shit load more.

Some stories of dog attacks in public places. At least one is fatal.

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/new-malden-dog-attack-railway-police-crime-london-b1002020.html

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/man-killed-dog-attack-fareham-hampshire-b2143814.html

www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/news/19231709.father-describes-horrific-bushy-park-dog-attack-easter/

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/mums-horror-after-bulldog-attacks-24673436

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-girl-11-mauled-out-28116626

www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/dog-bite-left-five-year-7854029

www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/20618674.dog-banned-city-parks-attacking-woman/

www.granthamjournal.co.uk/news/dog-attacks-22-month-old-girl-in-grantham-park-9083421/

The one just above wasn't this year, but happened as the toddler was exiting the children's area. The bruises are hortible There's a lot more stories.

If dog owners are neutral about risks to humans, there are a lot of stories of dangerous dog breeds maiming and killing other owners dogs (and other animals in the wild; deer, ducks, swans, etc) while they were being walked in public, with their owners not being able to help them for risk of getting attacked themselves. Those don't usually make headlines but the same sort of dogs are involved.

I don’t think there’s a perfect solution, unless the government clamps down on poor dog owners by imposing instant destruction of the dog, large fines, and prison for dog owners with a dangerous dog that goes on to kill someone. Might act as a deterrent. But then, you’ll get people saying that’s OTT and excuses being made for the dog.

I think some dog owners just have a “shit happens” mindset, they just don’t care. It’s a weird one as the UK is dog friendly to the extent that some owners place their dog as being more important than people eg will be offended if they’re asked to control their dog and won’t care about putting boundaries in place to prevent attacks. Even the way some dogs are trained and brought up, is bound to lead to issues as they are badly socialised, territorial, resource protective etc and will carry these behaviours outside the home.

Well my dog would find it very hard indeed to catch his ball with a muzzle on......

@SirSniffsAlot @ElephantInTheKitchen

OK, so as you have rubbished Victoria Stillwell and Cesar Millan's dog training methods, and seem to know about dog pyschology, I'd be interested to hear your solution to the problem in UK of some 'dangerous' dogs. 🙂

@Atethehalloweenchocs Why should dogs be allowed in pubic places without a muzzle?

If you adopted a (retired, racing) greyhound from a rescue you will be provided with a muzzle. This should be used whenever the dog is free-running.
greyhounds are 'sight-hounds' who have been trained to chase small furry creatures and can't differentiate between an electric 'hare' and someone's moggy.
I believe it should be used for 3 years after the animal has retired.

There is a law in place against bully-type dogs, but it's not enforced. All sorts of them are paraded around the streets or up for rehoming by charities.
And what's with those selfish owners who suddenly decide their dog needs a walk at school going-home time? I think they actually enjoy the fear they create in parents and children

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This. Humans need to take responsibility. These dogs don’t breed themselves. They don’t force people to buy them.

XL bullies and CC can be good family dogs- look up the breed info. But no, I wouldn’t have one. Idiots have them, they do weight work, play fight, it ends up going horribly wrong because most humans are twats.

Laughing at the typo