Another dog kills. When is something going to be done?

[ofwarren]

AIBU to think that there needs to be a dog licence or at least SOMETHING put in place to try and prevent deaths by these dogs?
I was not at all surprised to read the breed..
"The dog, a large black XL bully cross cane corso breed, was seized by officers and has been destroyed."

metro.co.uk/2022/12/20/woman-dies-after-being-mauled-in-dog-attack-in-her-own-home-17970433/?ito=socialmetrouktwitter

I wonder if all Bull breeds should be muzzled in public, and any caught not muzzled seized from the owner and removed or PTS.

Anything apart from a small poodle cross should be banned. Nobody needs a large, aggressive dog. With an increase in low IQ, lazy people around now, a small dog is all they're able to manage. The dog is probably more intelligent than they are.

Obviously working dogs would be exempt.

YANBU but nothing will be done. Dog owners are entitled and selfish and always have an excuse.

“He was just worked up.”
“He was just playing.”
”He’s so friendly!”

These people are the reason we have so many dog attacks and deaths. They are responsible for each and every one.

There was a thread on here recently where a child was bitten by a dog and the OP and all the people defending used those excuses.

If a dog bites it needs to be put down straight away. Because not doing so leads to things like this.

We should also be putting down and banning all XL bullies and other dangerous dogs. We all know the ones.

To answer the question, I doubt if anything will be, at least in the near future. The Dangerous Dogs Act was a classic example of 'something must be done' but in reality very little was done.

I am with the person who suggested minimum space to keep a dog or at least certain breeds. Or charge the dog's keeper with manslaughter, as we should anyone who crashes a car and kills someone whilst under the influence of drink or drugs.

I'd support dog licenses, but on animal welfare grounds rather than anything else.

Tragic as these deaths are they are far far fewer in number than (say) by car accidents, abusive parents etc. Laws that are introduced reactively and emotionally to protect against miniscule risks often have unforeseen consequences.

I knew before I opened the link it would be a Cane Corso or a Cane Corso crossed with similar. I love dogs but if I see one of these breeds I cross the road, if I see one of these breeds when im with my dog or with a child Im even more careful.

My dog is a rescue.

Before being approved we had to do a walkthrough tour of our house and garden on a video call so they could see that we had sufficient space.

We had two meet-and-greet sessions at the rescue centre, one for just me and DH to meet the dog and see if we felt they were a good match. Once that was determined we took the DC and they had an hour long meet-and-greet session with the dog, observed by a member of staff to make sure the dog was coping, followed by a walk.

A few days later we brought the dog home for a month long foster placement. They called us every few days to check how it was going and it was made clear we could return the dog at any time for any reason if it wasn't working out. There was a 24hr contact number too for any emergencies, including vet care.

At the end of it we could proceed to adoption. It all felt quite robust and worlds away from a Gumtree ad and "free to good home".

I'd love to see more done especially more draconian laws. Let's face it, responsible dog owners take these measures anyway. Had a frightening encounter with an off lea, out of control dog during lockdown. There was a terrifying dog attack in Ireland recently where a 9 year old playing football in a public green space almost had his face ripped off by an out of control dog. We are all vulnerable to these attacks. More so kids.

even chihuahuas? Or shih tzus?

Just out of curiosity I just googled this breed and was instantly informed what a gorgeous family pet this dog makes. Perfectly safe, ‘nanny dog’ and so, so much more total bollocks.

Im sure not many people rub their heads and think, ‘so shall we go cocker spaniel or XL Bully cross?’ but nonetheless there should be a ban on presenting this misinformation and not only on American sites either.

Poor woman, looks as if she took a couple of weeks to die. What a horrible end to her life.

There has been a massive increase in dog attacks though:

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/dec/12/lockdown-bad-breeds-or-just-poor-training-why-are-dog-bites-on-the-rise-in-britain

Whoever above said “idiot magnet” was right. Those XXL Bullies attract people who have neither the time nor ability to look after such a dog.

There are loads in my town and all owned by people who can barely organise their own lives let alone a dog’s. I even met an XXL in the park being taken for a walk by two primary age children. It had, unsurprisingly, pulled out of their grasp and was running around like a lunatic. I was terrified. I and two other members of the public managed to get hold of it’s lead, and only then saw it didn’t even have a proper lead or collar, just home-made, totally inadequate rubbish that a chihuahua could have pulled out of.

XXL Bullies, Canó Corsos, anythingof that tupe should be banned for general ownership and only licences did professionals allowed to own them and in very limited numbers. Rotweillers and Dobermans and GSDs again should be licensed but possibly a tier down eg public can own but need to undergo and pass training courses.

Or we could simply go by weight and anyone owning a dog above a certain weight needs a special permit. I know all dogs can bite, but it’s the weight that dooms their victims.

As always, it's not the breed it is the owners.
Banned breeds does not work.

Oh look, another excuse.

The majority of deaths caused by these dogs are on private property, so not sure how that would help.

I was reading a week or so ago

It's quite tricky to say if it's owner or breed - there is possibly a correlation between person and the breed they choose

So banning a particular breed may not help as the people just get a different breed and fail to raise that well also

There's also been an increase in violent crimes person on person, should we be banning people too?

<Quote>The police recorded 2.1 million instances of violence against the person offences in the year ending March 2022, an increase of 18% from 1.8 million in the year ending March 2021</quote>

Obviously not. Perhaps we just need to deal with why people are bad, violent and bring dogs up to be the same regardless of whether it's a cane Corso or a Chihuahua

I lived overseas for a few years. We had a pet dog and had to buy a dog licence, it was not cheap, and it came with a disk that had to be attached to the dog’s collar. Any dog seen out on a street without a current licence would be seized by the police.
I don’t want to stop people keeping a dog and looking after it properly but we need to stop people who don’t know how to look after a dog.
I also think every dog should be DNA tested and any dog dirt found checked and the owner fined a lot.

Nothing will happen because too many people are stupid about dogs.

Dominance theory (pack leader idea) is very outdated but I agree that people need to know what they are doing, especially with those breeds... apdt.com/resource-center/dominance-and-dog-training/

Oh look, another misinformed idiot who thinks that doing something even if it's ineffective is better than doing the right thing.

Even the rspca are better informed on this one

www.rspca.org.uk/getinvolved/campaign/bsl

I wasn't going to post on this thread but I've just had to... Wtf have I just read 🙈🤣

Because there has been a massive increase in dogs

Staffies are great family dogs and are recommended as such by the kennel club. Knee jerk reaction to ban them is ridiculous. They were the breed of choice by dickheads before bully’s came on the scene. They have such a strong bond to their owner, less so with dogs, and so can be trained (or not trained when they are an unknown quantity) to do what their owner wants.
The problem is that if they attack they will cause way more damage than many other breeds and I doubt anyone would disagree with that.
My Staffie is a fantastic little dog, very closely bonded to me, and I know every nuance of her behaviour. She has fantastic recall but I can assure you I will put her on the lead if I see anything in her or another dogs behaviour which looks ‘off’.
The biggest problem are the breeders. All breeder’s, no matter how few litters, should be fully licensed and inspected on a regular and unannounced basis.

Nothing will be done because you'd never get legislation through parliament for stricter controls because most MPs probably have dogs as well and can't imagine they can be a pest at best and danger at worst.

I am not sure a dog licence is going to solve this sort of issue. The responsible dog owner would get one, but they are not the problem here (although they still anthropomorphise their pets). The irresponsible ones who probably wouldn't get a dog licence anyway are the issue. Although it might make it a bit more difficult to get a dog if it was made illegal to sell one to someone without a licence.

A lot of councils have also been getting rid of their dog wardens. They need to be forced to bring them back. Dog wardens do a fantastic job and it's ludicrous to leave it to the police who don't have the resources (and don't eg deal with dog on dog attacks).

And maybe rescue dogs from overseas need to be banned. People in their own countries can look after them. There are fairly good controls on rescue dogs in the UK - for good reason and you shouldn't' be able to circumvent them by getting dogs from Portugal and the like.