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To ask what exactly Clarkson

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Nogbreaks · 19/12/2022 08:26

Feels Meghan has done to him to justify the vitriol and misogyny of that article he wrote where he’d like to see her naked and assaulted?

I mean WTF? How in earth did a major publication think that it was fine to publish his little sexual fantasy about hurting a woman like that?

I’m no fan of the Royals in any form, and could care less about their infighting, but why are we surprised that there is so much violence against women and girls when this kind of article by an influential man is seen as okay to write?
Where’s his description of a naked, vulnerable Harry being assaulted??

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Odessafile · 19/12/2022 10:45

Sturgeon is trying to push through legislation that will leave women and girls very vulnerable, though, and take away a lot of the freedom of Orthodox Jewish,Muslim, Rastafarian women who are forbidden to share many spaces with men.
Bit of an oxymoron that really...
can't stand Meghan, think she is a self indulgent, narcissitic trouble maker fuelled by jealousy of William & Kate, who did everything to get back in control.
you know her then ? I really don't get the over investment like it's love island.

jetadore · 19/12/2022 10:45

I’m pretty sure anything Clarkson says or writes is intended solely to create offence/controversy and thus keep him in the public eye. To be fair it’s worked out really well for him so far. One might think he’s gone “too far” this time but I’m sure he’ll be able to parlay this into a nice TV gig or book deal. The irony of the outrage/backlash is that it gives him the oxygen of publicity that he craves.

Mrsjayy · 19/12/2022 10:46

Lost123454 · 19/12/2022 10:44

Do we really need yet another thread on this?

I'm sorry why does it bother you ? There should be more threads about this

LemonTT · 19/12/2022 10:49

Why are people saying this was an opinion. It was an articulation of a vengeful, sick misogynistic fantasy. An absolute eg of incel speech. It comes from a sick mind. The tabloids have set a woman up for this type of misogyny and racism which attracted real threats of violence against her. Why are so many women jumping on this bandwagon.

It’s not good enough to say ignore it, him and the publication.

TheKeatingFive · 19/12/2022 10:49

For goodness sake they haven't commented on a 6hr Netflix show they're hardly likely to comment on something Clarkson said in the Sun

It would be their chance to refute the Netflix claims and demonstrate they will stand up for these family members in the face of disgusting press attention. It would be great PR for the palace.

But they can't do that. The fear of press retaliation is too great.

NoShrunking · 19/12/2022 10:49

Rainbunny · 19/12/2022 10:35

I don't think he has a sexual fixation on her and I genuinely think he thought he was being funny. However the fact that it's gone down so very badly is because he inadvertently showed his REAL underlying rage at a woman he can't put in her place. The subtext to his humour was a misogynistic anger that I think many women in the UK recognise, no matter how much it's dressed up as humour.

Clarkson demonstrated the rage of a man who sees a woman do and say things he detests: she complains, she makes uncomfortable accusations of racism, she shows the British press and to an extent the British public in a bad light. She is the dominant partner in her marriage to a husband is is content to let her take the reigns and she clearly has high self-esteem and values herself.

I'm no Markle fan but if she drives a man like Clarkson into impotent rage then I salute her for that.

Perfect summary.

FrippEnos · 19/12/2022 10:49

Clarkson is doing what he is being paid to do.

Being a controversial loud mouth oaf that gets himself publicity
I am surprised that anyone takes him seriously not that that ever justifies what he has said.

On the Camilla posts, she didn't host the party, and it was a few days before this all kicked off.

twelly · 19/12/2022 10:52

JC often writes articles that are over the top ie NHS workers should be shot, comments about Gordon Brown. Those comments are not intended to be taken literally.

That said I do think they are in poor taste and he should not use such "shock jock" language.

OoooohMatron · 19/12/2022 10:52

He's a disgusting pig. Where was his rage at Andrew?

TheKeatingFive · 19/12/2022 10:53

Clarkson is doing what he is being paid to do. Being a controversial loud mouth oaf that gets himself publicity. I am surprised that anyone takes him seriously not that that ever justifies what he has said.

I expect people said that about the Flack press coverage also.

On the Camilla posts, she didn't host the party, and it was a few days before this all kicked off

The point being more about Clarkson clearly thinking this piece wouldn't be problematic for her and the deafening silence from the palace backing that up

electricmoccasins · 19/12/2022 10:53

Dotjones · 19/12/2022 10:12

I think the "defence" is that Game of Thrones is a fictional TV programme and the suggestion that Meghan should be forced to walk naked through the streets with shit being thrown at her is clearly not to be taken literally.

The proposal of an absurd or extreme form of action as a reaction to a person's behaviour or event is a common method of humourously ridiculing the situation whilst poking fun at oneself.

See the case of Paul Chambers, who joked on Twitter that he was going to blow up Robin Hood Airport a few years ago, his conviction was overturned on appeal after a campaign by the likes of Stephen Fry and Al Murray the Pub Landlord. The point was, an extreme reaction like this was so clearly over the top nobody with any sense would take it seriously.

As Al Murray the Pub Landlord pointed out at the time, it might be a shit joke, but you shouldn't punish people for making a "threat" when the threat isn't actually a threat, just a shit joke.

That's all Clarkson is doing here, following his usual style of humour. It's not to be taken seriously.

In any case, humour is subjective. Clarkson's style is well-known and shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. If you dislike his style, don't read his columns, and if you dislike rubbish, don't read the Sun.

It’s not fictional though, is it? Women were actually treated like this throughout history.

WinterIsComingKnitFaster · 19/12/2022 10:56

TheKeatingFive · 19/12/2022 10:34

What would motivate a man like Clarkson to fantasise such vile stuff about a woman he's never met and who's committed no crime?

One of Game of Thrones USPs is the hideous fates dished out to the villains. If I were asked what I would like to see happen to Vladimir Putin/Donald Trump/Boris Johnson then the fates of Ramsay Bolton/the Freys/Cersei Lannister might leap to mind because they're the ultimate examples of evil people getting their comeuppance. But if I described them in detail to you and you didn't know the background I'd come across as a weird obsessive sadist.

Which is precisely why I would never do that, and an editor shouldn't print it if I submitted it. And certainly certainly not when applied to a woman whose worst crime is, what? Maybe bending the truth sometimes? Being American?

bellabasset · 19/12/2022 10:57

Why on earth has his opinion even been printed? It's vile and she doesn't deserve to be vilified in this way. I think that while I have sympathy for some of her issues with the RF I think that it could have been handled differently. To me she had the potential to have a role to protect and promote women's rights and I'm sad for her and Harry that their dcs aren't growing up knowing both their families.

I'm so disgusted about Clarkson

Snowyy · 19/12/2022 10:58

twelly · 19/12/2022 10:52

JC often writes articles that are over the top ie NHS workers should be shot, comments about Gordon Brown. Those comments are not intended to be taken literally.

That said I do think they are in poor taste and he should not use such "shock jock" language.

Yes his USP is being an offensive prat, he should be on the scrap heap not given a column in a paper.

It's a shame really, if he was intelligent he could have used his platform to critique the Netflix series a bit more subtly and sarcastically. This overt rubbish just fuels the whole 'they were bullied out of the UK' narrative.

Whynobreadpudding · 19/12/2022 11:00

He is a deranged dick, thinks he is cool, old fool.

Viviennemary · 19/12/2022 11:01

Meghan and harry wanted to get people talking about them and make money. . Hence Netflix and so on. Clarkson wanted the same. Job done.

CocoC · 19/12/2022 11:02

Untitledsquatboulder · 19/12/2022 10:29

I disagree, I think race has everything to do with it. Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable but it's really, really obvious.

Explain it to me - how? I honestly don't get it.
What he is describing is medieval (and not so medieval) punishment for women, not black ones.
If he had talked about whipping or something similar which was more metted out to black women, then I would have seen the racism, but not in this?
Not defending him in the slightest, as I said, I think his comments are totally unacceptable, but whilst I see deep misogyny, I genuinely don't see racism - so please explain it to me.

Simonjt · 19/12/2022 11:03

OoooohMatron · 19/12/2022 10:52

He's a disgusting pig. Where was his rage at Andrew?

I imagine he would like similar ‘opportunities’ and has anything but rage about Andrew and his ilk.

electricmoccasins · 19/12/2022 11:05

Don’t think for one minute that Clarkson will be punished for this. He has form, and gets away with it. For those too young to remember, these are his comments after the conviction of Steve Wright for murdering six prostitutes in 2006, and his subsequent sentencing in 2008. The apologists will say he is making fun of lorry drivers, not the women….

From 2008:
Ofcom has cleared BBC2's motoring programme Top Gear despite receiving 339 complaints about its presenter Jeremy Clarkson's joke about lorry drivers murdering prostitutes.

During a sequence in which he was driving a lorry in a November 2 edition of the show, Clarkson said to the other presenters: "What matters to lorry drivers? Murdering prostitutes? Fuel economy?"

A few minutes later Clarkson added: "This is a hard job [driving a lorry] and I'm not just saying this to win favour with lorry drivers: change gear; change gear; change gear; check your mirrors; murder a prostitute … "

The regulator said that the comments were justified by the context in which they were made and did not breach its programming code.

RaRaRaspoutine · 19/12/2022 11:09

csos · 19/12/2022 09:10

The palace needs to release a statement condemning what was said about Meghan.

I wonder if this was about Kate, would they stay quiet?

Wasn't it years ago when Kate and William were newlyweds and a paparazzi took pictures of Kate topless, the Palace condemned it and legal action was taken against the newspaper?

I can't remember what exactly happened, but there was some degree of protection.

The palace also issued a statement to refute the idea that Kate had "baby botox" (which she absolutely has btw). So they will react when it matters to THEM. Hideous people.

Octo5 · 19/12/2022 11:09

It’s vile but honestly the best thing that could have happen for Megan and Harry.

Many people disliked Megan and thought she was over reacting or fabricating her experiences but this just proves that she was telling the truth.

If you don’t like someone it’s fair enough to say I don’t like this person because of X, Y, Z.

But to hate someone so much (and for no personal reasons) that you want her subjected to humiliation and violence and say she’s worse than an animal like Rose West is beyond vile and I worry for my own daughter that men not only feel this way but will happily publicly say it.

Imagine someone saying something so vile about your daughter, sister or wife.

The fact that his daughter who claims she’s against bullying and misogyny has fully supported his statement is disgusting and I hope she’s removed from media outlets too.

If she doesn’t like Megan (has she ever even met her?) then she could have said she agrees with the sentiment but not the way he said it - but instead she agrees with the humiliation and violence of a women who has never hurt anyone.

RaRaRaspoutine · 19/12/2022 11:10

Crazykatie · 19/12/2022 09:29

MM could have married her prince and lived quietly in luxury, even if she didn’t get on with his family they could still have moved away, she did not need to be a crusader an attention seeker, that’s all it is the need to be noticed.
The way that H&M have deliberately, systematically reviled his family is unforgivable, if any of us had children that had done that they would be excluded totally.

Clarkson was over the top, M has made herself a hate figure and may of us male and female dislike her.

Ah so it's Meghan's fault for not shutting up and disappearing. Got it. Seriously hope you don't have daughters.

Mrsjayy · 19/12/2022 11:10

His own daughter Emily has come out against him .

Roussette · 19/12/2022 11:11

The fact that his daughter who claims she’s against bullying and misogyny has fully supported his statement is disgusting and I hope she’s removed from media outlets too.

JC's daughter. She absolutely condemned it

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TheKeatingFive · 19/12/2022 11:12

The palace also issued a statement to refute the idea that Kate had "baby botox" (which she absolutely has btw). So they will react when it matters to THEM. Hideous people.

There was also something about hair extensions.

So no maintaining a 'dignified silence' when it comes to things that matter to Kate and Wills.

They'll protect some and not others. Crystal clear for all to see and exactly what H&M were highlighting in the documentary