To ask what exactly Clarkson

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Feels Meghan has done to him to justify the vitriol and misogyny of that article he wrote where he’d like to see her naked and assaulted?

I mean WTF? How in earth did a major publication think that it was fine to publish his little sexual fantasy about hurting a woman like that?

I’m no fan of the Royals in any form, and could care less about their infighting, but why are we surprised that there is so much violence against women and girls when this kind of article by an influential man is seen as okay to write?
Where’s his description of a naked, vulnerable Harry being assaulted??

The publicity usually against her for very minor things that shouldn’t have even made headlines much less news that was used to deflect against her uncle-in-law’s dealings with a known pedo and deflecting attentions from actual news that people needed to know about.

It was easy to see the moment she showed up in the news for something ridiculously stupid, the media was deflecting from something important. I saw more about Prince Andrew and his dealings in other countries’ social media and news site than I ever did here or in the papers.

Don’t blame her one bit for talking about her experience and attempting to use her royal connections, bet most would actually come to her due to the worldwide coverage of the royal wedding and the tabloid crap that was posted about her from here.

Funny how some leave Harry out as if a grown man had no choices in this and act as if there was no inkling he would want out eventually even before her.

Well exactly. If people stopped trying to shut down opinions, good and bad and left them open to judgement, and people relearned critical analysis skills and that their opinion is not the only one the world might be a better place!!

As I said in response to OP when they asked that question, no it’s not true. This is the preserve of misogynistic racist arseholes and they come in all ages, and genders too unfortunately.

But as I also replied to OP, I think his editors and publishers thought it was okay for him to write it. Because they published it. Which is really very very worrying.

What has she done so badly to people like you or Jeremy Clarkson that makes you sit at home seething and liken her to someone like Rose West??

The only person comparing her to a child murderer was JC.

But people can believe that he's an utter arsewipe AND not like her. Just because someone doesn't like her, does not mean they put her on a level to Rose West. This is simply ridiculous thinking.

Both Harry and Meghan want to be public figures. That's their choice. It means some people will like them, some won't. But it definitely doesn't excuse what JC wrote. And it doesn't mean that anybody who doesn't like them agrees with JC.

‘Why should Camilla have to say anything?

Because she's been hanging out socially with two men who've said disgusting things about her DIL in the press.’

its not a coincidence that Clarkson was a guest last week at her Xmas do. AND she is the patron of charities that ‘empower’ women and help victims of sexual assault.

I think the palace have overplayed their hand, or at the very least showed poor judgment in hosting Clarkson.

Can you imagine how the shit would hit the fan if he’d said this about Kate Middleton?

not that he should be calling for the degradation and assault of any woman,
regardless

The press have radicalised a substantial amount of people to see her as subhuman

It's absolutely sickening

Clarkson got off lightly when he assaulted that person working on Top Gear all those years ago. Now he's just proved that the BBC were right to sack him.

Do you think he’s overshot this given the amount of abuse Meghan has experienced? Imo, Clarkson has added to the Meghan pile on. Comments like this add fuel to a fire which has been driven by the usual suspects. His daughter has made it clear she disagrees with her dad’s comments on this.

JC was making an attempt at humour to point out the absolute ridiculousness that is the whole MM/PH situation. Yes it was in bad taste but if you read the rest of the column rather than the media snippet you can see the attempt at humour.

I read the whole thing and found it just as bad, if not worse, than the highlighted bit.

A bit more than bad taste...

Of course, the old 'women don't have a sense of humour ' trope , when they call out vile misogyny.

My opinion is that someone who expresses such views - and especially someone who is a prominent commentator and who writes in a prominent newspaper - needs to take a good look at themselves.

That poor, poor woman. And it's Piers Morgan and now Clarkson who have cemented that sentiment in me: I haven't watched either their documentary or the televised interview.

What I also haven't seen, at any stage during my lifetime, is hatred like this levelled at one individual by the media. I'd venture to say it's unprecedented. And for what? She's dared to criticize the anointed overlords.

She's not Rose West. She isn't even Margaret Thatcher. She has done nothing that for one moment justifies what the two PPs above rightly describe as radicalization and a concerted press campaign against her - a campaign that I entirely believe was initially stoked against her by the Windsors. This campaign is against one individual - two to a lesser degree, but the woman always cops the bulk of the flack - and is tantamount to terrorism. How can anybody even begin to justify it?

'But it's her fault for "attacking" the Windsors', goes the commonplace objection. A woman's place is that she is required to remain silent. If she rebels against this diktat, it's open season to go after her guns blazing.

In her shoes, you can bet I'd also be railing and saying a big 'fuck you' to those who perpetrated this gargantuan, completely disproportionate injustice.

Watching Loose Women, can’t believe that Janet Street-Porter has said what JC wrote is okay as it’s free speech.
WTF.

And if Meghan did a funny by talking about him being stripped and covered in shit, would he laugh?

Not just in bad taste. Totally unacceptable.

Nothing she has done warrants being subjected to those comments. He is fantasising about a sexually aggressive, misogynistic assault in on woman, and comparing her to a serial killer.

That isn't humour, not even attempted humour.

What I also haven't seen, at any stage during my lifetime, is hatred like this levelled at one individual by the media. I'd venture to say it's unprecedented.

Heather Mills got an unbelievable amount of shite when she divorced Paul McCartney. Social media wasn't the behemoth then that it is now but you know what it would have been like. She was white, but she was also a woman...and disabled.

I don't think McCartney did anything to encourage it, to be clear.

if you read the rest of the column rather than the media snippet you can see the attempt at humour.

Yes, we can see it. What of it?

It's a generous overstatement to suggest that attempts at 'humour' which are to this extent at someone else's expense are at best woeful.

What he wrote was hate speech, masquerading under the plausible deniability generally termed 'banter'.

He is despicable, as are those upholding similar sentiments.

It's almost as if his evil comments were too much even for the racists... I suppose even vile people have a limit.

Oh, everyone who reads the Times are racist trope.

I didn't realise it was GoT, I thought it was a variation on Lady Godiva but GoT makes more sense from the sound of it (I haven't seen it).

Yes, this approach worked out well for the Jews in the 1930s.

Granted. That was pretty bad. Interesting that McCartney is in his own way a national institution as are the Windsors, and that the target of the vitriol was also female.

Yoko Ono too, come to think of it.

Well done to his daughter Emily for posting this on her Instagram account. Must have taken guts.

I can’t help but agree with this.

I can't have Harry and Meghan at all. Because of that I avoid anything about them as far as possible. I don't go out of my way to find things they say and do to hate. I haven't watched the documentary, generally they don't come into discussion and to be honest when they come up I usually try and end the conversation quickly without saying much. I think that's a fairly sane reaction to something or someone you dislike.

But to have violent, explicit fantasies about someone and categories them as worse than literally murderers and even worst still to feel comfortable to publish your violent fantasy about that person nationally is abhorrent. And yes does in fact prove Harry and Meghan's point.

If nothing else I believe it to be an own goal for Clarkson. People like me may have softened slightly to the challenges Harry and Meghan have faced in a way I might not have had Clarkson expressed himself like someone who isn't a danger to society at large and women in particular.