To think this is (yet another) bad day for women?

[Livingtothefull]

On the same day that the male perpetrator is jailed for life for the particularly brutal murder of Megan Newborough, the victims of yet another murder in Kettering are named - a nurse and her two young children. A 52-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder.

AIBU to be saddened, sickened and angered by this? Will it ever end, this catalogue of male violence against women and children?

"I can understand if an individual has experienced past trauma, but I'm sick of middle class white feminists moaning about privilege if I'm honest. They don't generally tend to like it when people question their own privilege."

Oh fuck off. You don't know what colour women are on here. All shades of women are affected by male violence, even if it 'just' means feeling afraid to walk in their local area after 10pm.
Stop trying to divide women along racial lines.
And feminism is what got women the vote, the right to own property and the right to not be raped by their husbands.

You come on every thread about male violence, trying to shut us down. Start your own fucking thread about male suicide, or the 1000s of men having to uproot their children's and their own lives to get away from violent, controlling female partners.

I have no problems with men in general. I defo don't live in fear outside of being reasonably sensible.

I don't believe Barbie Trucker is a woman.

Nope. If you want an echo chamber then set up your own website. This is a public forum.

Do you want to know the number one cause of male suicide?

It's a discussion forum. You haven't 'discussed' any of the points put to you. You keep spouting the same nonsense and your constant attempts to derail are embarrassing, and yes, dripping in misogyny.

@Pumperthepumper "Do you want to know the number one cause of male suicide?"

I'd like to know. I've noticed the poster who keeps going on about it has ignored you though.

Weird isn’t it? It’s almost like they don’t actually give a shit about men either.

Its toxic masculinity. A huge amount of time (and funding) is put into getting men to open up, to not see it as weakness, not to self-medicate in silence with alcohol or drugs.

I already know the answer.

Exactly how many wars have been started by female leaders? I can't think of any

It's not toxic masculinity. 😂

Loneliness, financial hardship, deprivation, relationship breakdown. There isn't one cause.

You’re wrong.

Loads of people suffer loneliness and hardship. That’s not why male suicide figures are so high. It’s the lack of coping mechanisms open to men determined to be seen as ‘strong’.

Elizabeth Bathory and Bloody Mary weren't exactly shrinking violets. Or Irma Grese and the numerous other female nazis.

Women haven't been as prolific as men but when given the opportunity they haven't been saints either.

Better go and tell Samaritans that you know better then.

The Samaritans agree with me. It’s only you, with absolutely zero experience of anything to do with male suicide charities, who thinks they know better.

Oh ok, so the poster who said women leaders were equally likely to start wars was talking rubbish. I thought as much

I'm very taken aback by this thread. To get back on topic, OP YANBU it's disgusting that so many women and children (and other men) are murdered by men. Society needs to stop tolerating and explaining away male violence.

Many do abuse mothers and sisters as well? And not all DV is anger caused, some is quite cold and calculated? Some is due to PTSD/mental illness? So I do think it’s a little more complex than ‘temper tantrums’.

Very few women are killed out of the blue. There are alway precursors. We need to get more women aware of the red flags and give them the tools to extricate themselves from abusive relationships. At the same time we need to educate boys about the need to be an equal party in a relationship rather than a dominant one. This needs to start at home with children and be reinforced at school. We used to gave religious and morals classes when I went to school in the dark ages which touched on things like this.

Every time I hear about another murder in the news of a woman due to violence from a male my heart breaks. Women should have a right to be safe. To have loving and safe relationships free of violence, we should be able to walk home feeling safe from violence… It’s just not fair that this is not the case.

I don’t know that it will ever change. All I can say is all those with children, with sons, teach them respect for girls and for women.

They do pcshe (or something like that!) that supposedly covers this, and in my ds year group they also discuss this stuff in RE. Doesn’t seem to be stopping the mysogyny in some of the boys. The problem is you tube and other social media has a greater influence. And some will come from homes where actively educating them about how to behave towards women isn’t seen as necessary, and of course there may be mysogyny / domestic violence in the home.

Parents really do need to step up. I’ve done it and I’ve had to repeatedly explain to Dh why it’s important.

There is finally a TV ad campaign aimed at men to not stay silent but to call out other men's various forms of male violence, from sex pics to harassment to DV. I guess that's a start.

There have been quite a few off the top of my head

Queen Isabella vs Edward II (she invaded England, deposed Edward II her own husband literally for being openly gay).

Catherine the Great - created the Russian Empire including successfully invading Ukraine and Crimea

Queen Isabella of Castile- launched a holy war against the Muslim caliphs in Spain and reconquered the Iberian peninsula (yes included Portugal at the time)

Queen Elizabeth I started the war with Spain by sending out pirates to capture their ships and steal their cargo, take nobles captive and sell them back for ransom.

But at any rate, historians have done studies of female leaders and found they are just as warlike as male leaders.