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to believe H&M because of defamation laws?

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Shejustwentthere · 16/12/2022 06:11

I've watched the full series on Harry and Meghan.
A few things have struck me.
The most important thing is that there are defamation laws in England. Damage to your reputation is grounds for pursuing such a case. That no such case has yet been initiated by William or Kate, suggests that there is truth in Harry and Meghan's version of events.
Meghan comes across as very vulnerable but very real. She also comes across as very much in love still; as does Harry.
I admire Harry for his decision to leave. I do buy his logic; if the tax payer had even 1% of a contribution to their lives financially, the media could then claim a public interest.
Harry comes across as incredibly intelligent. He has always been touted as the dumb one. He seems to be very much more than some dumb guy.
He adores Meghan and that seems to be reciprocated. She gave him an out.

Harry is very much is mother's son. Diana would have supported Meghan I think. I think they were kindred spirits (Diana and Harry) in a way. Pawns in the game where the king and queen reign...

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UseAMuckySock · 16/12/2022 07:59

Imthegingerbreadwoman · 16/12/2022 07:58

Maybe! But I doubt it because she went into the family knowing she's not allowed a 'public' opinion on anything. Everyone knows they aren't allowed to voice their opinion. It's quite common knowledge

Yeah but she probably never imagined that Willy would shag around and she would be told that she was not allowed a reaction to it whatsoever.

TirisfalPumpkin · 16/12/2022 07:59

I think there's a lot of confusing a royal's worksona/customer service face with her actual personality.

I think Kate has plenty of it and we saw it pre-marriage in spades. Now we see her with her 'how can I help you' badge on - playing a role. Most of us don't ooze natural personality at work.

Agree that Louis is great though, can't wait to see what he turns out like when he's older.

Sirzy · 16/12/2022 08:00

Shejustwentthere · 16/12/2022 07:46

I think that one of the more telling interactions actually was at the beginning of ep 5 I think? Archie is toddling around a maze and Harry is encouraging him and then he topples over and Harry is like 'yes, get up, carry on' sort of thing and the little tot starts to cry and Meghan immediately picks him up to console him. I think it was a very real dynamic. Parents are like that.

I genuinely am a bullshitter detector. I don't get 'bullshit' from either of them. Ok, her language and her way of expressing herself is very American, but she's not lying.

But it has been proven that things she has said in the past are lies.

i think it’s at best very naieve of you to think a documentary presented to be biased is going to give an accurate truthful picture of anything

Jensandwich · 16/12/2022 08:00

I just can’t believe Harry did this to his own brother. I had some sympathy for both of them before seeing this tripe of a documentary. They don’t exactly call out any names so can’t imagine the lawsuit would succeed. Now I am positive that they’re a pair of money grabbing traitors

Prescottdanni123 · 16/12/2022 08:00

I think Harry and Meghan have their heads lodged much too far up their own backsides to consider the royal family could sue them. Or they think the never complain, never explain rule will protect them.

I didn't see a real or vulnerable side to Meghan. All I saw was a school bully whining that everybody hated her because she was so brilliant and e verybody who criticised her was mean and that all negative stories about her were made up by meanies out to get her. That text from William scene was some of the worst acting I have ever seen

janeeyreair · 16/12/2022 08:00

The documentary definitely made me make sense of why they decided to leave, I was always puzzled why they seemed settled in Frogmore cottage, Megans first public engagement with the Queen went really well and William at the wedding seemed happy.

Why the sudden change? The fact that his own father and brother knew and allowed palace staff to plant and leak info to the press is awful. Thats what I can't get over and It has changed my view of Will and Kate, and Charles.

I also think there was a bit of a personality clash with Megan being American, but I think that would have settled down. Thats no ones fault. They wanted to respectfully tell the Queen and they were blocked from doing so.

Megan tried to fit in, she let the palace dictate her wedding guest list as her niece was uninvited. She let the palace dictate how she handle her father.

I think ultimately will and Charles expected Harry to suck up how his wife was treated and he said no and they went to logger heads. Just because she was an actress doesn't mean she doesn't have the same feelings and emotions as any other woman/mother.

UseAMuckySock · 16/12/2022 08:01

Shejustwentthere · 16/12/2022 07:59

I've seen another compilation of him at the jubilee (that same event) but he pulls the girls hair (must be Mike Tindall's daughter?). He's then passed off to Charles lol.

Oh yes, was that the old “come here, I want to tell you something … yank” trick? 😂

flapjackfairy · 16/12/2022 08:02

@yoyy
well you don't know how upset she was by anything do you as she had the good grace to keep it to herself and not whinge about how hard done to she was whilst living a life of unimaginable privilege!

Unifolorn · 16/12/2022 08:04

The fact that his own father and brother knew and allowed palace staff to plant and leak info to the press is awful.

By the same token then, why has meghan not legally challenged the numerous members of the press who have claimed she sold them stories? We know she took photos in royal residences which isn't permitted as they were on netflix, and so is it that far fetched? Why isn't she speaking up against those?

Shejustwentthere · 16/12/2022 08:04

UseAMuckySock · 16/12/2022 08:01

Oh yes, was that the old “come here, I want to tell you something … yank” trick? 😂

God help Kate when he hits his teens! The royal family will become popular again lol

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yoyy · 16/12/2022 08:04

obviously I'm not a royalist but I actually think they would have had more longevity with H&M staying in. The four of them seemed more dynamic, modern & I think would make more of an impact globally all together. The Caribbean tour was bad and the whole idea of Royals looks increasingly outdated & irrelevant.

Farawayfromhere · 16/12/2022 08:05

I just think they come across as a couple of incredibly over privileged teenagers:
they are basically saying we are SOOO in love, my parents are so mean and everyone is against me.

At a time when so many people are struggling with huge difficulties on top of the usual family disagreements (doesn’t every family fall out?! They’re not special!) it’s just so vulgar to make it seem as if these are actually real issues that could induce sympathy.

I can totally understand the desire to leave royal life, but then to take advantage of all of that to become a highly paid reality TV star and cause a great deal of damage to the royal family is just so self-centred and disloyal.

Thefriendlyone · 16/12/2022 08:06

As the series showed much of the Meghan hatred came from rhe same few accounts.

I for one certainly don’t hate Meghan, I actually have more disdain for harry , who I actually believe is an entitled over privileged immature and very very damaged man, I also feel sorry for him as I think he’s not in a happy place. He is clearlh reactive, and not smart, so unable to think things through.

but for both of them I feel it’s acceptable to call out bad behaviour. This doesn’t make someone a “hater” , you can be ambivalent , even like them, pity them, and still call it out.

the show was designed to illicit sympathy, even the music was carefully done to illicit emotions like a movie.

the issue was it was not a complete picture. It was not an independent documentary showing both sides, it was what they wished the public to know. And only what they wished the public to know. Not the full story by any means and I’m surprised anyone thinks it is.

is there truth in it, of course, without a shadow of a doubt. Is it the whole truth, absolutely not, far from it.

if you present a half truth, is it a lie? For me, if it seeks to mislead it is. Anf there is no doubt much of that what half truths that sought to mislead to gain both public popularity and sympathy, as well as to seek revenge on the royals for not giving them what they wanted, their ability to seek fame and fortune and still be senior royals. They didn’t want to know their place, they wanted equal or higher billing to Kate and William, and if the palace wouldn’t give them it, they’d get it themselves. And when the palace said no to that, we ended up here.

yoyy · 16/12/2022 08:06

@flapjackfairy is that the crux of it? do the "peasants" tolerate the unfairness of it because the deal is you get the privilege & never complain. I don't look at that life with envy, who would want that?

flapjackfairy · 16/12/2022 08:07

@janeeyreair
but there is no evidence for that is there? just their unsubstantiated allegations.
And the palace encouraged H to go and meet Thomas M so that doesn't hold water already does it ? Any mess between M and her father were nothing to do with the RF. Harry's texts to him nothing to be proud of to start with.

Jensandwich · 16/12/2022 08:07

Their whinging about “ omg we have to parent alone and no one to help” screams privileged

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 16/12/2022 08:07

DrMarciaFieldstone · 16/12/2022 07:30

Harry comes across as incredibly intelligent

Strange, I thought he came across like a brainwashed, self-obsessed, grandiose twat who takes himself far too seriously.

I agree!

cribside · 16/12/2022 08:08

I really don't understand the absolute vitriol that H&M experience, there are so many things on this thread that are tenuous at best, factually incorrect at worst. I've experienced a modicum of the fame they have had in my life and it's insidious how it leads to people needing to tear you down.

OP, I believe them:

Wait till all you angry posters find out what prince Andrew did, and how much money was spent on getting him out of his situation. You'll be furious Hmm

Imthegingerbreadwoman · 16/12/2022 08:08

UseAMuckySock · 16/12/2022 07:59

Yeah but she probably never imagined that Willy would shag around and she would be told that she was not allowed a reaction to it whatsoever.

Haven't seen any of that. But If you ever did history at school or paid attention to the royal family then yeah she would know that.... but haven't seen him accused of having an affair anywhere. And if he is who says she isn't to. It's unheard of in the Royal family!

Richelieu · 16/12/2022 08:09

I haven’t seen the series and frankly I’d rather watch paint dry. Who cares, honestly? I’m mystified as to why anyone has the slightest interest in this whinging, over-entitled pair, with their self-important gushing.

They wanted to be left alone, apparently, but whenever we think we’ve seen the back of them, up they pop again with some other attention-seeking behaviour. Please let them disappear into obscurity in America where they can 'live their truth' well away from us (unfortunately I fear they won’t, though).

bloodyplanes · 16/12/2022 08:09

Shejustwentthere · 16/12/2022 06:42

I don't get on with my SIL. That doesn't make me a cunt anymore than it makes her a cunt. We simply don't get along.

I suppose, a bit like Meghan, I'm never conformist. I'm more of rebel without a cause in her view.

Non conformist/ revel without a cause = attention seeker who likes to be awkward and make things difficult for others!

GladysB · 16/12/2022 08:10

'Harry comes across as incredibly intelligent'

🤣

Outraged that Thomas Markle sold photos and interviews to the media..then sells photos and interviews to the media himself! That is not 'incredibly intelligent'.

Coxspurplepippin · 16/12/2022 08:10

Welcome to MN op.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 16/12/2022 08:12

Doria seems a pleasant enough lady, but why is she now an arbiter of all things right?

She is, and highly so, on her daughter's side. I would take my daughter's side no matter what.

SandyY2K · 16/12/2022 08:12

I agree with you OP. I think it's good that they have spoken out.

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