To think the British royal family has had its day?

[Ladybugpolkadot]

I had a lot of respect for the Queen, may she rest in peace… But now she has passed away I just feel like the UK Royal family/ establishment should just be abolished.

The younger generations are not the same standard as Queen Elizabeth was. There’s so many rumours and so much scandal in recent times. And what have these people really done in order to justify leeching of UK tax payer money to fund their privileged lifestyles?…

Am I the only one who thinks the members of the Royal family should give up their royal roles and get real jobs and earn their own living like anyone else in the country?

Statista isn’t the Daily Mail 😂

They're still riding high at the moment: on the back of the Jubilee - which I suspect many felt was a last hurrah - the funeral of the late queen and The Queue - and possibly, but not guaranteed, next year's coronation. We'll see how long Chuck's honeymoon period lasts after that.

As for other factors deciding their popularity, in my prediction, Andrew will quickly be forgotten. People are apparently more concerned with a rogue Windsor and his outspoken, American actress wife than they are about a man cavorting with convicted sex offenders and exploiting extremely vulnerable people. No, I don't get it either. But that's what the vox pop suggests. Charles will never let him raise his ugly mug above the parapet again, and that will be the end of that. Sickening, I know.

As for Harry and Meghan, far from bringing the monarchy down they are only bolstering their popularity. The more they attack the Windsors, the more they cast themselves as aggressors with their family as victims, and the more people double down and defend them. If they really want to cause harm, what they need to do is shut the hell up. Then, the critical spotlight will turn relentless onto the Windsors instead, and it won't remain this cloyingly sycophantic, that is a certainty.

I'll give the British public 5 years of Charles III before we see a new groundswell of anti. IMO, the Windsors themselves are small fry. It's the entire UK constitution that is long-overdue a major shake-up from top to bottom. Not all objections to this useless, unelected family are necessarily made on the basis of cost.

The vote for Brexit was very close indeed, just over 50% of those who voted.
This should have been reflected in the outcome ie retaining close ties with Europe.
Instead a hard Brexit was foisted on us courtesy of the Tories via FPTP, which gave them a mandate to do what they liked in forcing major constitutional change on us despite their minority electoral vote .

So we don't have a proper democracy and at the root of all this is the need for constitutional reform. The Monarchy supports and underpins the whole crumbling edifice and it needs to go too.

The concept of an apolitical diplomatic representative is popular. I can’t think of a PM in my lifetime I would have been happy to have as the only representative of the country. Indeed there’s a couple I think would’ve got carried away with themselves.

@Livingtothefull

Great post
I doubt removing the monarchy will be like Brexit
The abolition of the House of Lords will go a long way to helping improve democracy here.
It will be slow boring political adminstratuve processes being improved that will result in the diminution of the 'importance' of the 'royals'
The most important process being getting the royals' sticky hands away from laws and public land and money.

Once that's done they may well fuck off themselves without being told .
It will be interesting fo see how many charities they remain 'patron'of though

I agree with all of that apart from the last sentence. The monarchy is irrelevant to the democratic process. Other European countries make their monarchies work, there’s no reason why we can’t.

@Blossomtoes
The monarchy here as it currently operates is a huge part of tue problem
It tells us all that we are not equal, most particularly not not equal under the law . We cannot the fully democratic , mature society we should be with an unelected family as head of state . A family which uses its power and influence to further their own interests - not those of the populace

Keep your king if you insist . Stand at the bottom of his drive and wave
But get that corrupt irrelevant self serving institution away from democracy

And the frequent references royalists make to a few European monarchies ( I wonder if they include Monaco , Liechtenstein and Andorra in their number 😂) are really not relevant
The UK monarchy is spectacularly retrogressive.
It's the only one to insist on a coronation ceremony for example - spending millions in the process , no regard for how that money could be better used. Must let everyone see the magic hat go on your head eh Charles ?
This says all you need to know about the difference
And even the ' modern ' European monarchies ( a total contradiction in terms ) are battling falling popularity. I think only one -Danish maybe - it's a queen - remains generally popular .
Queens do better in the modern world in my opinion
We have a century of men ahead - if they last that long

amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/02/on-the-throne-till-i-drop-how-does-british-monarchy-compare-with-european-royals

The family photograph of Christmas released today with the two boys wearing Ralph Lauren shirts. I just thought was tone deaf in this current climate. What do they cost hundred quid each?

@Tintime2022
They will have been trying to dress down 😂

I don't know a single person who is phased by the royal family.

Do you mean fazed? What’s going on with all this ‘phasing’ at the moment?

@Cuppasoupmonster Whatever the spelling is. You understood it didn't you babe x

It's the only one to insist on a coronation ceremony for example

It isn’t. Spain, Sweden, Denmark and the Netherlands also formally crown their monarchs. It seems to me that you must be running out of arguments if you’re having to make them up @Novella4.

Absolutely agree. The RF have become an anachronism in this day and age and the idea that we need to 'bow / curtsey to our superiors' who have achieved this lofty position by virtue of being born is actually pretty offensive.

They've become a symbol of the class system and unearned privilege in this country and whilst I think the Queen was a decent sort, I have absolutely no time for the rest of the hangers-on who basically live a ridiculously entitled lifestyle on the basis of 'smile and wave'...

@Blossomtoes

You are misinformed .
The UK is only mo archt to insist on a coronation .
Look it up .

This is from the HOC library :

Coronations emerged from a European tradition of increasing church involvement in the state, as well as the need to bring stability to often unstable societies in which several individuals had a claim to the throne. Central to the ceremony is the “unction”, the act of anointing a monarch with holy oil. This signals the conferment of God’s grace upon a ruler. Today, the United Kingdom is the only European monarchy to retain such a ceremony. The last one – for Queen Elizabeth II – took place on 2 June 1953.

It is a fact the the UK 'royals ' are the only monarchy in Europe to insist on having a coronation

He declared himself king the moment Elizabeth took her last breath .
Coronation is a complete waste of money . It has one main purpose : to promote Charles as king in case any subjects get any new tangled ideas about unelected people as head of state. Dangle a few shiny things - that will distract them! Literally bread and circuses

The other purpose is REALLY problematic. The unction ceremony - Charles is appointed BY GOD . Big sky daddy says so ! I'm king !

I'm not COE so I don't know how adherents feel about Charles as head of their religion
Sick I imagine

I did look it up. Sweden still has coronations.

www.royalcourt.no/artikkel.html?tid=92785

Incidentally, you’re also wrong about other monarchies’ popularity. Denmark’s sovereign has 84% popularity. The King could do a lot worse than emulate Queen Margrethe.

I think they will self destruct eventually. People these days are not of the same make up as those who witnessed the Q's coronation back in '53. Younger people particularly are more interested in the latest TikTok or whatever the cause du jour is. The RF are fossils to them. I mean just look at the clothes, the clothes OMG!

Anyway nothing much we can do about it now. It will fade into insignificance sooner or later, but the irony is they will be delighted if so, as they will keep their fortunes and thousands of acres, castles, houses, and jewels. Well they were born you see. That's all it took.

@Blossomtoes
I think you have become confused between some sort of inauguration ceremony which other countries with a monarchy might do - with 'king' in a suit probably , and a coronation which only the UK monarchies insist on

There is a big difference and as a royalist you really should be aware of that difference
It's this sort of nonsense that really highlights how out of date and ridiculous the Windsors are

If you re read my post you'll see I mention the queen - I guessed Denmark but wasn't 100%

I said that queens seem to do better than kings . She's in her 80s - who is next in line I wonder

No, love, it’s not me who’s confused but you crack on making stuff up. It’s quite amusing the lengths you’ll go to.

@Blossomtoes
I don't wish to pick on you - I think you must be having an off day

Sweden hasn't had a coronation since 1873!

I think you must mean some sort of inauguration.

royalcentral.co.uk/europe/sweden/the-monarchs-role-in-sweden-184236/

The monarch in Sweden does not hold the same powers as many counterparts, and his official role is limited. For example, he does not nominate or dismiss a prime minister or give royal assent to bills from the Swedish legislature (Riksdag). The King is also not the head of the armed forces but is their foremost representative. King Carl Gustaf is an admiral of the Navy, general of the Army and the Air Force, and Honorary Commander of the Life Guards and the Life Regiment Hussars.
The Swedish monarch is not crowned. King Oscar II was the last monarch to have a coronation. The royal crowns and coronets have not been worn since 1907; instead, they are displayed at royal occasions like weddings, christenings and funerals

Are royals not allowed sex lives? Even ones where they say crude things to each other in private?

Of course they are, though I'd prefer a monarch who wasn't quite so attracted to the sort of people whose idea of a sex life involves children

To befriend one paedophile may be a mistake, but to do it again and again could well be thought of as something else entirely