To think the British royal family has had its day?

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I had a lot of respect for the Queen, may she rest in peace… But now she has passed away I just feel like the UK Royal family/ establishment should just be abolished.

The younger generations are not the same standard as Queen Elizabeth was. There’s so many rumours and so much scandal in recent times. And what have these people really done in order to justify leeching of UK tax payer money to fund their privileged lifestyles?…

Am I the only one who thinks the members of the Royal family should give up their royal roles and get real jobs and earn their own living like anyone else in the country?

It is not very good training then. Look at Philip's frequent sexist and racist remarks. Or Edward's awkwardness at small talk.

Great post. Totally agree

'Informed views and choices'? Is that what you.think this thread is about?
If scurrilous gossip, if nasty sneers, if expressions of contempt are what passes for informed views in yor eyes, then you have a problem with perception.

Good grief,

I'm not singing anyone's praises @callingeveryone! I'm not a royalist. I'm just calling out illogical arguments.
People are fallible. Highly trained footballers miss penalties and lose matches to use another recent example.

This is something that the RF PR team peddles.

Palace of Versailles and many palaces around the world get millions of visitors without the RF.

I find it odd that we have so many MNs who seem quite bitter about anyone with more money than them, so much anger at tax dodgers but we accept it as a given that the RF don't pay inheritance tax when they pass their wealth from generation to generation! It's insane that they have brainwashed people so much that the average person doesn't mind.

The forced mourning of the queen included all of the things the media usually make fun of North Korea and Thailand for doing when their leaders died!

Whether you agree with constitutional monarchy or not, changing that is not simple. Look how long it took for bloody Brexit to take effect - would ANY PM really be that bothered about setting up a referendum for removing the monarchy when there are far, far more important things to worry about and spend public money on? And if you think that the 'cost' of the RF is going to be put back into our pockets, or into public funds, then I think you will be disappointed. Personally I am happy with the £1.22 a year it costs me for the monarchy (not sure where I read that, but I believe that's the cost per head of population).

We need some kind of head of state to represent the country on the world stage, be that a President or whatever, so they will still cost money.

The RF have enough individual private wealth and landed estates to live as very, very comfortable aristocrats if their royal status was removed, so maybe they wouldn't care either way. Nice comfy life on their landed estate without the hassle of opening Parliament or touring lighthouses!

Not this again!

I'd expect most members of the Royal Family would be (in the long run) quite happy if it was abolished.

Less smiling and waving and campaigning for charitable causes and they can retire with their squillions into a quiet country life.

Other threads on various topics can be found quite easily I find.

I know, right? Questions are gathering apace as to the continued relevance of a spent institution, as was always predicted would happen after the time of Elizabeth II. They were already being asked during her lifetime, and have gathered a lot of momentum in the short time since.

Those questions are gradually getting louder and more persistent. And so are the protests. They won't be going anywhere.

The only place it’s gathered momentum is on MN where a select group of republican usual suspects raises it with monotonous regularity. As a pp has pointed out the UK is in quite enough turmoil for the foreseeable future for any politician with a grain of sense to kick the future of the monarchy into the furthest reaches of the long grass.

I also find William and Kate so bloody boring, plus when I saw them at the Queens funeral, walking alongside thier dc and not holding their hands, I felt so sad for them. Who else would expect their young child to walk into a cathedral, containing thousands of people, and not give them a bit of comfort? It really shocked me

They absolutely did hold their hands , I remember thinking how sweet it was

Totally agree, I've got lots of different friendship groups and have literally just one quite vocal anti monarchist friend. She sticks out so much as very unusual. We range from 40-70 years old .

It is on its way out IMO. The Queen was the last of the old school, where the mystique mattered. Nowadays they are all out in public, making speeches, acting "normal". I don't want Royals acting like us! They should have an air of aloofness and being "above" the rest of us. Otherwise they are just us but with crowns and estates.

Cobblers. I don’t know any monarchists other than my parents’ generation.

In all polls I have seen abolition far outvotes retention.

Course you have ....

Really?

www.statista.com/statistics/863893/support-for-the-monarchy-in-britain-by-age/

I know, rubbish isn't it. Hardly see people marching to abolish the Monarchy, far more important things to worry about.

I tell you what it reminds me of, all that ridiculous time devoted to getting rid of fox hunting. I'm totally against it fwiw but it was insane.

Yes it's time for them to stop being funded by us. They'll always be massive landowners, so obviously the duchy estate will continue to rake shit loads in from its tenants across the UK, but we need to stop putting this one family on a pedestal above others now.

A few notes on this:

That poll was issued in June 2022 so would have been conducted in the build up to the Platinum Jubilee, when positivity towards the Queen was likely riding high. It remains to be seen what the passing of the Queen will mean re the monarchy's future popularity.

The poll shows a steady decline in their popularity among younger age groups (barely a third of 18-24s support the monarchy, the rest oppose or 'don't know). So overall, their popularity is likely to decline.

We are all subjected to a constant media and PR campaign in support of the monarchy. If a proper public debate could ever be held about the pros and cons of monarchy vs elected head of state - with the public being presented with alternatives to consider - those statistics are likely to change.

Finally: I oppose the monarchy because I think the institution is pernicious and morally wrong. I will do so whether it is a popular cause or not. I appreciate we are living in turbulent times but that makes it all the more imperative imo that we have much needed reform.

The royal family has had it’s fair share of dramas over the years with 3 of the 4 Children of QE2 and PP being divorced, Diana’s death, Andrew’s JE case and Harry & Meghan’s constant grenades…
The dynamic has changed for sure since Prince Phillip passing away and even more so now Queen died in September. I think Charles is doing a great job so far in modernising the monarchy and he is in touch with ‘his people’.

Could you explain what in concrete terms what Charles has done to modernise the monarchy? Other than threatening dozens of his staff with redundancy at the very time they are working hard on his transition...

Some of the RF dramas are much more serious than others; Andrew's case is much more serious because of the seriousness of the allegations against him. Yet there he still is, at the heart of the family whilst Harry & Meghan are frozen out.

And we really should not be dependent on Charles' willingness (or otherwise) to make necessary reforms; where is the accountability?

Andrew's case is much more serious because of the seriousness of the allegations against him. Yet there he still is, at the heart of the family whilst Harry & Meghan are frozen out.

Andrew’s in exile in Royal Lodge, the only person who ever supported him was the Queen. The Sussexes have frozen themselves out, they chose to fuck off.

I always considered myself a royalist but in reality the Queen was the key player, I think it’s time to scale down. I don’t really buy the hype for William & Kate, it’s just media hype & palace desperation.