Bi or pansexual

[dawnfromgavinandstacey]

I've just been blocked by someone that I know via friends and family. They are semi famous.

They are out and gay and happy.

They have just come out on Instagram as pansexual. I have asked how is it different to being bi.

I am bi.

I'm really sorry if I'm offending anyone but to me it's the same.

You like the person. Doesn't matter how they identify you just fancy them. For whatever reason. You just do. You like them.

I've been blocked and asked snottily if I get the difference.

I will be honest. No I don't. You like who you like. Regardless.

What is the difference. You like who you like. Regardless of if they are a a man or or women.

Have I missed something here?

Why does your sexuality need to be known by anyone else other than by those who love you? The current need to have a sexual label flies right in the face of sexual freedom.
Don't worry about you friend and their need for the announcement and label, it's just a rouse for attention and recognition.

@ShirleywasaLady as Belissa Cohen said "everything to the right of LGB is straight people".

There was an attempt to

I guess the question is why do we need these extra labels?

We need words for people who are attracted to people of the same sex as themselves because they need the same rights under the law as people who are attracted to people of the opposite sex.

Beyond that, what do these labels achieve?

What rights does a person who isn't sexually attracted to anyone, or a person who is attracted to women and trans women but not men or trans men, or a person who is attracted to people of either sex and any gender identity, not already have?

it seems that in the conversation about sexualities the true scope of the word is not welcomed.

It seems like MNHQ don't like puns. A pan is a half-man, half-goat.

what is the word for people who are only interested in the opposite sex, but only 'cis' people and not people with different identities? Is that heterosexual?

Superstraight was coined a couple of years ago for this purpose.

yes. I got it. But it also worked to highlight the wider scope of the word 'sexuality'. It seems people don't like the elephant in the room....

Hetero: different and Homo: same, so it follows etymologically that Bi: different and same gender attraction.

I'm bi, and the pan people I know tell me it's different because gender isn't a factor in how they feel about a partner. I can understand that!

Very grasping to make the leap to "this is wokeist newspeak". These definitions have been around for at least 20 years in my experience alone.

And remember how the mob went after the poor kid that came up with it? And went after his family too.

Thomas is an attention seeking flouncer so I think you can comfortably ignore him.

yes. I got it. But it also worked to highlight the wider scope of the word 'sexuality'. It seems people don't like the elephant in the room....

Yeah, I know. I deliberately didn't go there but apparently that wasn't enough to avoid deletion.

yes babyj

This conflation of 'sexual orientation' and 'sexuality' has ramifications.

Who exactly benefits from that conflation?

It certainly is not the people who need safeguarding. This defense 'it is just morphology', looks fucking weak when you then look at what happens when you conflate the two legally and people then demand their 'sexuality' is legally protected.

This is not a harmless destablisation of language. Look to the roots. Look at who is considered one of the 'grandfathers' of the theory surrounding it and then look at what that person was actively involved in changing in law in France at the time.

Oh I saw Thomas from MAFS uk on Instagram announcing he was pansexual. Wondering if it was him who blocked you?

I think it's ridiculous OP that you've been blocked for asking a genuine question.

I'd consider this a bullet nicely dodged.

This word is linked very strongly with the alt-right. Identify how you like but exercise caution.

You haven’t missed anything, Bi means you are attracted to both sex. As there are only 2 types of sex/gender Pansexual is an odd label. I also don’t understand what the obsession is with labels!! It seems overly dramatic and attention seeking.

Linked how? Not saying you are wrong but saying everything is 'linked with the far right' is a very common way to stop people having opinions so I think it's important to provide citations/context for such dramatic claims.

I always considered myself bisexual but then again I really, really fancy Mae Martin and Emma Corrin. But not any transwomen. Maybe I'm not a full Pan but a gravy boat or similar.

For me I can't really tell the difference. Surely if you go for the person regardless of gender then you are bisexual (or tri-sexual? If you like males, females and trans people? I'm unsure if that is a thing though I don't want to encourage more labels!)

I'm bisexual. I find all sorts of people attractive, often for who they are. I do not feel the narcissistic need to label myself as anything other than bisexual because I am not all that special. if I like someone then lets go for it! If I don't then we won't (and vice versa obv!) Its all a bit much really. I wish people could calm down.

I think the key problem here is when we have no sense of self and then define ourselves based on sweeping characteristics. I am a man who happens to be bisexual and married to a woman. My bisexuality isn't WHO I am, though with many of these people it is. If they aren't a label then who are they? What do they stand for?

Do you genuinely see Mae Martin and Emma Corrin as being something other than a woman though?

Everything is linked with the 'alt right' these days. Feminism is linked with, and funded by, the Christian alt right, particularly as emanating from the US. Would you get that? Feminism, which fights tooth and nail for women's right to autonomy over their own bodies, is aligning itself with a pro-life ideology that's just rolled that back by 50 years.

You couldn't make it up. Except they just did.

Gender ideology and TRA/TQ activism does not remotely resemble any left-wing activism I've seen or heard of during my lifetime. Conversely, it has a definite stench of being precisely the opposite. There's a word for the total taking-over of a person's body, sexuality and individual autonomy - one which, no less, wants the entire world to get on board with its politics and will threaten to harm or kill those who don't - and it's a word that appears in a good deal of dystopian fiction.

That word is 'totalitarianism'. The left is the ground on which these battles have traditionally been fought, so when betrayals emanate from that direction they're even harder to take than those coming from the right. But this is not the 'left'. It's far right masquerading as leftism, and telling the left they are really the right-wing fundamentalists all along.

Classic DARVO. This, again, doesn't come as a surprise. It's always been this movement's stock-in-trade.

Do you genuinely see Mae Martin and Emma Corrin as being something other than a woman though?

I certainly believe that they don't feel they are women. But my criteria for fancying people seems to be a bit more simplistic.... Rugged men, beautiful men (Michael Hutchins kind of beautiful), women and androgynous women... But for some reason not trans women!

That's because the mob made some lies up because they didn't like that people were starting to identify as superstraight, as in not attracted to trans people. That couldn't be allowed so they started saying it was linked with the alt-right. It's a way to shut people down. The same as when you're called a transphobe for not believing that a bloke with a beard is a woman.
"Superstraight" was started by a teen boy on Tiktok who then got targeted by activists. They literally went after his mother's business and he had to take the video down.

Yeah but regardless of how they see themselves....

Do YOU see them as women, or as something other than women?