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To think the anyone but England mentality is cringe?

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SolitaryMind · 10/12/2022 21:22

I’m Scottish, I was brought up to be anti English, SNP mad household, despite having English grandparents. I’ve always thought it made no sense, England is part of the UK like we are. I now have an English dp who is step- parent to my child, I support England in football as does my dc, every match my social media is filled with support for any country playing against England, I don’t get it! Can someone explain the logic to me, I can’t be the only one surely!

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healthadvice123 · 10/12/2022 21:46

@BashfulClam because if course they would they are british commentators , they were going to welsh camp as well
Its british tv

Daydreamer12345 · 10/12/2022 21:48

Travis1 · 10/12/2022 21:44

Because they still can’t shut up
about 1966 and the media ram it down our throats at every opportunity.

it’s like in other sports if a Scottish person does well they’re British but as soon as they fuck up they’re Scottish. It’s wearing

The media ram it down our throats- really? Where/when? I’ve hardly heard it mentioned.

Your second point- sorry but that is just not true -

BashfulClam · 10/12/2022 21:49

i heard much less about Wakes at the start of this year than I heard about England…it gets relentless. I’m hiding this now as it’s just annoying me.

carefulcalculator · 10/12/2022 21:49

I'm English and find the attitude of the media around England/other nations tiresome at times. England is the biggest nation, but not the most important, we're supposed to be equals. So I can understand the attitude of ABE from some.

ganachee · 10/12/2022 21:49

Helpyou · 10/12/2022 21:41

I can't see England supporting Wales if Wales had got further in the world Cup do you? (Note, I'm not a football fan at all) but it works both ways.

I want any country of the U.K. to do well. If England and Wales were playing each other then I would be supporting England being English, but apart from that I would be supporting any country team that makes up the U.K. playing in any international tournaments.

PacificallyRequested · 10/12/2022 21:50

Travis1 · 10/12/2022 21:44

Because they still can’t shut up
about 1966 and the media ram it down our throats at every opportunity.

it’s like in other sports if a Scottish person does well they’re British but as soon as they fuck up they’re Scottish. It’s wearing

This.

healthadvice123 · 10/12/2022 21:50

Can you imagine how it would be the other way around
I used to always wish the other home nations well, but less so lately as see all the hate that comes across
Crap about being rammed down your throat , there is plenty of channels to watch these days.
In England you expect England to be the main feature , im sure the Scottish papers aren't all full of England football.
It strikes a little of jealousy really

VinoDino · 10/12/2022 21:50

Your second point- sorry but that is just not true

It absolutely is.

Andy Murray winning - British.
Andy Murray losing - Scottish.

carefulcalculator · 10/12/2022 21:51

Daydreamer12345 · 10/12/2022 21:48

The media ram it down our throats- really? Where/when? I’ve hardly heard it mentioned.

Your second point- sorry but that is just not true -

I'm English and think @Travis1 is right on both points.

IrmaGord · 10/12/2022 21:52

VinoDino · 10/12/2022 21:50

Your second point- sorry but that is just not true

It absolutely is.

Andy Murray winning - British.
Andy Murray losing - Scottish.

https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/2015/nov/24/andy-murray-scottish-british-tennis

runwithme · 10/12/2022 21:53

My husbands colleague is English, born to Danish parents, he supports Denmark as well as ABE. I don't get THAT! I get that he supports Denmark, but I don't get how he supports ABE!

tocahairchop · 10/12/2022 21:53

Turned on bbc breakfast today and rammed down our throats was about right...at one point they were 'interviewing' the dog in the pub about who would win tonight...

TowerStork · 10/12/2022 21:53

ABE sentiment was always very strong in Ireland unsurprisingly and it’s so tiresome now. In truth, I think most people don’t mean it anymore. Aside from politics, the current England team and management seem thoroughly decent and their diversity represents a different kind of England. But ABE persists because it’s a cheap and easy joke for a comedian or media presenter and anyone can join in a conversation about football by saying ‘I hope England loose’. (I think people still mean it when it comes to rugby though).

VinoDino · 10/12/2022 21:54

@IrmaGord I can't take anything from the Guardian seriously, sorry.

BakedTattie · 10/12/2022 21:55

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Whatmarbles · 10/12/2022 21:55

I think it's the sheer arrogance that turns other countries of the UK against them.
We all need a little bit of self belief but England footballers have it in spades but unfortunately do not have the talent to back it up.

Travis1 · 10/12/2022 21:55

Daydreamer12345 · 10/12/2022 21:48

The media ram it down our throats- really? Where/when? I’ve hardly heard it mentioned.

Your second point- sorry but that is just not true -

😂😂 ok then. Have you actually watched any of the world cup footage?

And my 2nd point is spot on. As has been backed up by others. Maybe take the blinkers off

IrmaGord · 10/12/2022 21:57

VinoDino · 10/12/2022 21:54

@IrmaGord I can't take anything from the Guardian seriously, sorry.

That's handy.

Try this from the BBC then

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-34909845.amp

Aintnosupermum · 10/12/2022 21:57

I didn’t think England and wales should have been in the same group. Yea they pick it randomly but it’s FIFA so we know it’s randomly random when necessary.

Living in the US I often hear ABE and it’s rude. The game today against France, I’m embarrassed that we have a team who seemingly can’t stay upright. You look at how Morocco play, they keep going and play with a passion for their country. The England team did a much better job this time compared to the Euro’s where their behavior was nothing short of embarrassing.

DisneyPrincesss · 10/12/2022 21:58

Is rooted in crippling jealousy, ime.

MarshaBradyo · 10/12/2022 21:58

Yanbu

MrsDooDaa · 10/12/2022 21:58

Falalalalaaah · 10/12/2022 21:46

I'm not English, but I do live in England. Although I would never do that whole "I support whoever is playing against England" crap, I would not cheer on England in any sport really, as I'm not English. I would cheer on my own country whoever they are playing and that's it. Keep it simple!

I don't know any English people who actually would actively cheer for Wales / Scotland / Ireland unless they have a connection to one of those countries, but I'm sure some of them do

I'm English and everyone I know who is English would support Wales/Scotland after England.

The connection we have is that they are part of the UK so we are supporting a 'home' team.

Daydreamer12345 · 10/12/2022 21:58

Travis1 · 10/12/2022 21:55

😂😂 ok then. Have you actually watched any of the world cup footage?

And my 2nd point is spot on. As has been backed up by others. Maybe take the blinkers off

Yeh, so 2/3 other people have said it so it must be true, ok then.

Your point is bullshit. If you look hard enough for something, you’ll find it.

LargeglassofRosePlease · 10/12/2022 21:58

Nah. It’s well known the Scots , Irish and Welsh support any other country when it comes to Football other than England. They hate us and we know it.

Fuck all to do with fans and players , it’s cos we are better at Football than them
and they know it.

Is what it is and we just crack on and take no notice.

Wearegoingtoneedabiggerboat · 10/12/2022 21:59

We are in Scotland at the moment and were in a restaurant ( use that term loosely as it was Nando’s) when France scored and the whole place erupted in cheers, including the staff. I did ask the guy who took out plates away when Scotland s next match in the tournament was. Her wasnt impressed but if you can’t take it don’t dish it out.

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