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"Scientists Confirm Short Man Syndrome Is Real."

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SleepDreamThinkHuge · 10/12/2022 14:34

To think this is a strange finding:

www.menshealth.com/uk/health/a42175436/short-man-syndrome/

From my experience, this is not true. I have met many aggressive men short, medium height and very tall. I do not understand why men who are short are more likely to be aggressive it seems like quite a generalisation. By that logic, are short women also more aggressive.

I think "short" is also subjective. A 6 foot man can be seen as short for a 5 foot 10/11 women. A man who is 5 foot 6 is not necessarily short for a 5 foot 1 women. It is relative.

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PattyJones · 12/12/2022 11:39

I HATE WHEN PEOPLE SAY SHORT MEN ARE ANGRY. as a 5'1 man myself (in my brogues) i have literally never been angry. THESE PEOPOLE MAKE ME SO MAD WITH THEIR SILLY THEORY. xoxo Pat

OneTC · 12/12/2022 11:45

Every day from when I was 9 to when I left school I had a French teacher who used to say "OneTC you're supposed to stand when a teacher comes in" and he said it every lesson and every lesson people laughed.

The supposed heightism thing that some people seem to get upset about on here I've never actually encountered IRL. The most likely candidate for giving me a hard time is someone who's taller than me but not tall, average height people basically. IME people at any physical extreme trend to have pretty thick skin about it

lieselotte · 12/12/2022 11:49

Justanotherlurker · 11/12/2022 20:49

I'm not a troll, Manlet is a term that is widespread, it is admittedly shorthand and sexist, it is akin to Karen etc but for males. It has been a descpritor since the internet was borne.

No it hasn't, you have made it up. I was an early adopter of the internet and this is the first time I've heard it.

There is no justification whatsoever for criticising men on the basis of their height.

lieselotte · 12/12/2022 11:50

The supposed heightism thing that some people seem to get upset about on here I've never actually encountered IRL

Smaller boys are very often bullied. I know many taller boys will get bullied for other characteristics, but I would have thought it was fairly obvious that heightism was a thing IRL.

OneTC · 12/12/2022 11:52

Sorry I wasn't clear I meant the women not liking small men thing that some people complain about on here. I understand full well about getting bullied for your height.

phoenixrosehere · 12/12/2022 12:06

lieselotte · 12/12/2022 11:50

The supposed heightism thing that some people seem to get upset about on here I've never actually encountered IRL

Smaller boys are very often bullied. I know many taller boys will get bullied for other characteristics, but I would have thought it was fairly obvious that heightism was a thing IRL.

My husband was and his mother constantly told he just needed to be fed, until they saw how much he ate, then crickets. He eventually became of average height when he was in uni. He did own one t and didn’t let anyone push him around but despite that there is a wound there where he needs a certain amount of reassurances when it comes to his body.

phoenixrosehere · 12/12/2022 12:06

phoenixrosehere · 12/12/2022 12:06

My husband was and his mother constantly told he just needed to be fed, until they saw how much he ate, then crickets. He eventually became of average height when he was in uni. He did own one t and didn’t let anyone push him around but despite that there is a wound there where he needs a certain amount of reassurances when it comes to his body.

*own it

SleepDreamThinkHuge · 12/12/2022 16:42

Think a lot of people are not understanding you can HAVE any preference you want. You can DATE WHOEVER you want. But being nasty to others either directly or indirectly is not nice. Like the examples I mentioned:

"at least my son won't be short like him."
"what do you call a man under 6 foot a friend."
"he is good looking but too bad he is short."

There is a lot of whataboutery. "Men do this to women." Who said that was right in the first place? Two wrongs do not make a right. We can say both actions are wrong. Plus if you want to talk about things men do make your own separate thread. It is like someone discussing racism they faced in this country and you saying "will women also face a lot of injustice" although that is true it is not really helpful when someone discusses their issues we can listen and see what they face instead of saying "will they do this."

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WalkingOnTheCracks · 12/12/2022 17:59

lieselotte · 12/12/2022 11:49

No it hasn't, you have made it up. I was an early adopter of the internet and this is the first time I've heard it.

There is no justification whatsoever for criticising men on the basis of their height.

A quick Google search will show that @Justanotherlurker didn't make it up. Or, if so, it was eight or nine years ago at least.

First time I've heard it too, but the history is there. Though perhaps not since the internet was born. More like, since social media got mean.

Burgoo · 12/12/2022 19:06

Full disclosure on this... I am (relatively) short for a man at 5ft7. The article is a bit misleading because it isn't sex specific, the sample size was 420 (265 male v 155 female. I can't access the full research paper so it is hard to look at the methodology, so I will go from a sex neutral perspective to be fair.

Firstly, it would make sense that individuals that are shorter would display higher levels of aggressive behaviours - they are likely to have encountered much more "push back" than taller counterparts and have probably learnt that the way to get their point across (and their needs met) is through a higher degree of forcefulness. Taller individuals may not have had as many problems and therefore it would make sense.

Secondly, I would love to see what measures they used in relation to the behaviours involved. My "aggressive" or "rude" is going to be different to the next person's and therefore it is hard to ascertain at what point someone moves from normal levels of behaviour to "small person" realms. I'd also be interested in seeing the measures used in determining the Dark Triad traits as these tools, without sufficient exploration using them, are essentially meaningless. It is also interesting that traits need to be independent of any other mental health condition which would require a full psychological work-up for each of those individuals.

Thirdly, and more importantly, is the need to control. The question I would pose is whether those individuals with "short person syndrome" traits would have those traits regardless of being short? Given that it is extremely hard to prove a negative (how can you prove it is BECAUSE they are short or whether they just happen to be short?) the research is going to need to do a hell of a lot of leg-work for me to buy the evidence.

I am also curious about whether they broke the stats down into race, sexuality, disability, class and ethnicity backgrounds. Is this a cultural thing? Was it strictly white people? Black? Asian? A mix? What jobs were they in? So many questions.

I am always suspicious when researchers claim big with such possibly flimsy stats/data.

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