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"Scientists Confirm Short Man Syndrome Is Real."

185 replies

SleepDreamThinkHuge · 10/12/2022 14:34

To think this is a strange finding:

www.menshealth.com/uk/health/a42175436/short-man-syndrome/

From my experience, this is not true. I have met many aggressive men short, medium height and very tall. I do not understand why men who are short are more likely to be aggressive it seems like quite a generalisation. By that logic, are short women also more aggressive.

I think "short" is also subjective. A 6 foot man can be seen as short for a 5 foot 10/11 women. A man who is 5 foot 6 is not necessarily short for a 5 foot 1 women. It is relative.

OP posts:
jicora · 11/12/2022 09:50

I do think there's an angry version of short women. They're usually posting about how tiny short they are on many threads here but I think it's far less of a bother than angry short men with chips on their shoulders.

I was probably on that same thread with a pp. I said I wouldn't date bald men and some man was offended by that too.

Thighlengthboots · 11/12/2022 09:51

NewToWoo · 11/12/2022 09:49

That's disappointing. But to be fair, short men really do have that chip knocked into their shoulder when they first start to date. Most women are so dismissive of short men, so they quickly learn they are unlikely to find a partner, however nice, kind, successful, witty, handsome, caring they are.

DS is very short and his girlfriend is a few inches taller than him. Neither of them care but I honestly prayed thanks when they met that his first experience has been a positive one where height is not an issue so he doesn't get a complex, as he was well on his way to getting one before he met her.

Thats not an excuse. Ive had comments my whole life about being too tall (was bullied for it at school etc) - didnt turn me into an abusive arsehole making nasty comments about short men.
What I dont understand is- if height is so sensitive to you then why on earth would you pick on that in others? You know full well that height is an unchangeable characteristic so why criticise others for it then when you know they can do nothing about it? (nor should they).

PeaceJoySleep · 11/12/2022 09:56

I'm short but still have an opinion on bald men, it depends what shape head they have. Some men have a good strong skull shaped head which the baldness shows off, others have an alien like tetradecahedron shaped head that needed a bit of hair. May we all find peace with our imperfections :-p

MintyFreshOne · 11/12/2022 09:57

Thighlengthboots · 11/12/2022 09:51

Thats not an excuse. Ive had comments my whole life about being too tall (was bullied for it at school etc) - didnt turn me into an abusive arsehole making nasty comments about short men.
What I dont understand is- if height is so sensitive to you then why on earth would you pick on that in others? You know full well that height is an unchangeable characteristic so why criticise others for it then when you know they can do nothing about it? (nor should they).

Tall women tend to shrink into themselves and be non-assertive, and seem passive. Probably in an unconscious attempt to seem more feminine. While the short male will act aggressive to seem more masculine. Obviously these are generalisations … but ime are pretty commonly observed.

FabFitFifties · 11/12/2022 09:57

Your arguments seem flawed to me OP, I agree with Fairislefandango 100%

Thighlengthboots · 11/12/2022 09:59

MintyFreshOne · 11/12/2022 09:57

Tall women tend to shrink into themselves and be non-assertive, and seem passive. Probably in an unconscious attempt to seem more feminine. While the short male will act aggressive to seem more masculine. Obviously these are generalisations … but ime are pretty commonly observed.

Yes, quite possibly. I know when I was younger my posture was awful because I felt so self conscious about it. Now, with everyone generally getting taller (including women) its more the norm. Now, I wear heels and dont GAF because this is who I am and if short men cant handle that then they can jog on.

Frannyhy · 11/12/2022 10:06

I watched a programme on TV once about dating agencies. One of the owners said she wouldn’t take men of under 5’6 or women over a size 18. She went on to say it was wrong to take their money if she couldn’t help them.

KimberleyClark · 11/12/2022 10:16

My SIL 6ft met my DB 5ft 8 on line dating. She told me she had considered scrolling by because of his height but something about him drew her. She’s so glad she didn’t dismiss him they have been together 16 years.

BringOnAutumn · 11/12/2022 10:18

Fleurdecerisier · 10/12/2022 14:40

If it is indeed true then I'd be inclined to think they'd be less aggressive if people were less rude and cruel about their height and stopped telling them they have short man syndrome. Toxic feedback loop innit?

Exactly.

There's a male relative of mine who's going to be short when he grows up (he's 13 now). He had the same confidence as any child when he was born, but unfortunately has an illness that stunts growth. There’s nothing he can do about it.

For the last 13 years, he's had nasty comments form adults (yes, really. Adults can be the worst when pointing out how small he is in comparison to his peers). And has been bullied relentlessly about his height. No matter the situation, when he goes somewhere new, someone comments.

No matter what his family do to try to teach him body confidence and pride (including our part of the family) it takes one snide comment from an adult to undo it.

Add the nastiness of 'small man syndrome' into the mix. I mean how to you combat that? And it’s no wonder smaller men develop a complex.

Thighlengthboots · 11/12/2022 10:24

BringOnAutumn · 11/12/2022 10:18

Exactly.

There's a male relative of mine who's going to be short when he grows up (he's 13 now). He had the same confidence as any child when he was born, but unfortunately has an illness that stunts growth. There’s nothing he can do about it.

For the last 13 years, he's had nasty comments form adults (yes, really. Adults can be the worst when pointing out how small he is in comparison to his peers). And has been bullied relentlessly about his height. No matter the situation, when he goes somewhere new, someone comments.

No matter what his family do to try to teach him body confidence and pride (including our part of the family) it takes one snide comment from an adult to undo it.

Add the nastiness of 'small man syndrome' into the mix. I mean how to you combat that? And it’s no wonder smaller men develop a complex.

So, are you saying that because short men have a hard time in dating, it’s acceptable for them to ask a tall woman out and then spend the entire relationship criticising them and putting them down for being tall?

No. I do not accept that at all. Having a hard time doesn’t give you carte Blanche to treat others like shit. That’s ridiculous. Plenty of people have difficult childhoods/ experiences- doesn’t then make it ok to take that out on others. It might be the reason but it’s not an excuse.

BringOnAutumn · 11/12/2022 10:28

Thighlengthboots · 11/12/2022 10:24

So, are you saying that because short men have a hard time in dating, it’s acceptable for them to ask a tall woman out and then spend the entire relationship criticising them and putting them down for being tall?

No. I do not accept that at all. Having a hard time doesn’t give you carte Blanche to treat others like shit. That’s ridiculous. Plenty of people have difficult childhoods/ experiences- doesn’t then make it ok to take that out on others. It might be the reason but it’s not an excuse.

Did you read anything I wrote? Where on earth did I say anything of that?

HeleneLagonelle · 11/12/2022 10:32

LuciferRising · 11/12/2022 08:10

If this stereotype is true, I guess the one about overweight people being lazy and greedy is too. Can't argue with stereotypes can we? Especially if you have first hand experience of nasty short FILs.

Yup. I’m married to a 5 ft 3 man (who is professionally very successful and a well-balanced, laid-back character, from a family of lovely short people — very poor, probably linked to generations of poor nutrition as well as genetics) and mother to a short ten year old, who is a delight. We’re both working hard to instil confidence into DS, but he definitely hears a lot about his height already.

BringOnAutumn · 11/12/2022 10:33

HeleneLagonelle · 11/12/2022 10:32

Yup. I’m married to a 5 ft 3 man (who is professionally very successful and a well-balanced, laid-back character, from a family of lovely short people — very poor, probably linked to generations of poor nutrition as well as genetics) and mother to a short ten year old, who is a delight. We’re both working hard to instil confidence into DS, but he definitely hears a lot about his height already.

It’s depressing, isn’t it?

Abhannmor · 11/12/2022 10:34

LikeTearsInRain · 10/12/2022 18:27

Yep for sure and same for bashing balding/bald guys. The joking, insults and saying they look like thugs.

Although balding / bald seems to be cooler these days. Maybe because it's more common? I watched an old football match from the 60s and was surprised at all the hirsute men!

Height anxiety is certainly a thing with women too. A friend told me she was always the tallest girl in her class - she is 5ft 8in. Now when she meets taller women she feels inadequate.

KimberleyClark · 11/12/2022 10:38

Thighlengthboots · 11/12/2022 10:24

So, are you saying that because short men have a hard time in dating, it’s acceptable for them to ask a tall woman out and then spend the entire relationship criticising them and putting them down for being tall?

No. I do not accept that at all. Having a hard time doesn’t give you carte Blanche to treat others like shit. That’s ridiculous. Plenty of people have difficult childhoods/ experiences- doesn’t then make it ok to take that out on others. It might be the reason but it’s not an excuse.

You seem to have extrapolated from your experience dating short men that they all behave like this. Of course it’s not acceptable but there are arseholes at every height.

gannett · 11/12/2022 10:43

XanaduKira · 11/12/2022 09:33

This is my experience also. Tall men don't seem to have a point to prove whereas some of the short men I've known, have absolutely been aggressive & it's very much felt like they're trying to demonstrate just how tough & manly they are (toxic!)

Plenty of tall men are aggressive and intimidating. Ever been in a pub with a group of drunk burly rugby lads the size of mountains?

PeaceJoySleep · 11/12/2022 10:45

@BringOnAutumn that is really sad, you can be surrounded by love and support but still be so hurt that the outside world judges you only by your appearance/height. I've been single almost all of my adult life and tbh have achieved more as a single person and was unsupported in relationships, so being single doesn't = unhappy. I think it's hardest when you're young though.

@Thighlengthboots no words, you read what @BringOnAutumn wrote and made it about a comment you had once 🙄

Changechangychange · 11/12/2022 10:52

Snufkinhastherightidea · 10/12/2022 18:58

Height is like skin colour, age and sex surely - something you cannot control and a very weird thing to be proud of. Old people, women and non-white people all have to cope with ill- treatment but we don’t say someone has angry black man syndrome.

Black men are frequently accused of “aggression” over interactions that could more accurately be described as “polite disagreement” - you must be aware of this?

XanaduKira · 11/12/2022 10:54

I absolutely have @gannett and I didn't say they couldn't be. All I did say was in a work context over the years, no tall man has physically aggressive & shouted at me, whereas quite a few short men have.

newnamethanks · 11/12/2022 10:55

Yes, real. Also small dog 'syndrome'. Smaller so everything, consciously or not, is that much more threatening. If it wasn't true (thanks scientists, have you nothing better to do?) It wouldn't be the familiar old cliche that it is.

KimberleyClark · 11/12/2022 10:55

XanaduKira · 11/12/2022 10:54

I absolutely have @gannett and I didn't say they couldn't be. All I did say was in a work context over the years, no tall man has physically aggressive & shouted at me, whereas quite a few short men have.

As I said upthread I have been shouted at by a tall man at work. Never experienced anything like that from shorter men.

MrsSkylerWhite · 11/12/2022 10:58

Seems fairly widespread through the animal kingdom. Obviously there are exceptions but small animals can be very aggressive whilst larger ones are often very gentle.

gannett · 11/12/2022 11:01

XanaduKira · 11/12/2022 10:54

I absolutely have @gannett and I didn't say they couldn't be. All I did say was in a work context over the years, no tall man has physically aggressive & shouted at me, whereas quite a few short men have.

Thankfully I've never worked somewhere where I've been shouted at by anyone, but I have experienced tall and broad men trying to physically intimidate me in a supposedly professional setting.

LuciferRising · 11/12/2022 11:01

HeleneLagonelle · 11/12/2022 10:32

Yup. I’m married to a 5 ft 3 man (who is professionally very successful and a well-balanced, laid-back character, from a family of lovely short people — very poor, probably linked to generations of poor nutrition as well as genetics) and mother to a short ten year old, who is a delight. We’re both working hard to instil confidence into DS, but he definitely hears a lot about his height already.

My DF is very successful. Mid 70s and earns a large wage part time. Had to put more effort in than others, but is very quietly spoken. He stayed away from the pissing competitions, and focused on the tasks.

Wonder if small man syndrome is like fat woman syndrome. Overweight women full of self loathing constantly asuming anyone who is a healthy weight must have an eating disorder. Walking around with a chip on their shoulders, blaming everyone and everything other than their selves.

phoenixrosehere · 11/12/2022 11:04

Changechangychange · 11/12/2022 10:52

Black men are frequently accused of “aggression” over interactions that could more accurately be described as “polite disagreement” - you must be aware of this?

Yes and that poster is forgetting the widely and heavily used term “black on black” crime yet no one says “white on white, Asian on Asian”, etc.. when all racial groups commit crimes against each other.