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"Scientists Confirm Short Man Syndrome Is Real."

185 replies

SleepDreamThinkHuge · 10/12/2022 14:34

To think this is a strange finding:

www.menshealth.com/uk/health/a42175436/short-man-syndrome/

From my experience, this is not true. I have met many aggressive men short, medium height and very tall. I do not understand why men who are short are more likely to be aggressive it seems like quite a generalisation. By that logic, are short women also more aggressive.

I think "short" is also subjective. A 6 foot man can be seen as short for a 5 foot 10/11 women. A man who is 5 foot 6 is not necessarily short for a 5 foot 1 women. It is relative.

OP posts:
ReadtheReviews · 11/12/2022 14:45

Small dogs have the same issue.

NewToWoo · 11/12/2022 14:47

Robekinobi · 10/12/2022 21:15

Posts like these make me feel very sad..As a short person, with a short person and short son, perhaps I'm overly sensitive (short woman syndrome!?)

However, I struggle to find how it's acceptable to openly mock short men when, like race, baldness etc, they have 0 control over it. On a daily basis, my DS is mocked about his height. It's all jokey, but comes from all angles, including teachers who eg try and stop him from going in his year group playground because he's too short to be in yr11.

He takes it on the chin and laughs about it but FFS, is it any wonder why such a syndrome exists when an individual has been made to feel inferior for much of their life.

Luckily, my DS is completely awesome and excelling in many areas, but I do despair when I read yet another post about angry short men..maybe ask yourself why??

This posts resonates for me a lot. People will become chippy if they are constantly mocked and dismissed for something they can do nothing about. Then they are mocked and dismissed for being chippy too. If it's not OK to mock skin colour why mock height? No one chooses their height. No man would choose to be tiny, given how much more challenging life is - less promotions at work, less luck with women, lower pay, more likely to commit suicide are some of the stats I've read. Mainly because they are socially derided and excluded.

Happy to say DS, who is very short, has loads of mates and a lovely, tall, good looking girlfriend but until they met he was really drowning in 'evidence' that short men are unattractive.

jicora · 11/12/2022 14:49

MyOtherCarIsAHearse · 11/12/2022 12:59

My OH is 5ft 6. I’m an inch or so taller. He’s also bald. And vibe-wise, he’s the sexiest, most masculine guy I’ve come across. He’s not aggressive, but he has an air of confidence about him. And he’s well-versed in numerous martial arts and had easily held his own against men much taller than he is.

Well versed in numerous martial arts?

Man alert much! Grin

Joking

PeaceJoySleep · 11/12/2022 14:57

Yeh, it's like a form of projective identification. if you're told repeatedly that you're lucky to have a seat at the table because omg you're short then it's hardly strange to end up being defensive about the issue you've been made to feel crap about.

girlmom21 · 11/12/2022 15:17

ReadtheReviews · 11/12/2022 14:45

Small dogs have the same issue.

Yeah my little dog is a right twat Grin

KimberleyClark · 11/12/2022 15:18

The mocking of Rishi Sunak for his height has been quite unpleasant. Let him be mocked for his policies and his incompetence, but his height has nothing to do with those.

FloresApparuerunt · 11/12/2022 15:18

Why are you trying to police what another poster can talk about?

Where did I say they couldn't talk about it? I'm asking why they've started five threads about height on MN specifically.

aloris · 11/12/2022 15:27

People can be incredibly nasty about one's height. I'm a short woman and I've seen it in action frequently. It's strange, as height is a trait that is strongly genetic, so it's really blaming someone for something they have no control over. For me, I always concluded that the person who discriminates against someone or ridicules them on the basis of height is showing only their own poor character. But I think it's still socially accepted to make negative assumptions about a person's character and treat them poorly based on their height. I think this is true for short women too, not only short men, but in dating I think it's easier to get dates as a short woman than as a short man. But it's also true in the work world. A past supervisor of mine (female, tall) said to me (talking about me as a short person), in front of the whole team, that you just don't think of a short person as a leader and you naturally assume they are less mature than a taller person. And she didn't say it in a "sorry, I know I shouldn't think like that" way but in a "this is just how it is, it's reality, deal with it" way.

FloydPepper · 11/12/2022 15:33

FloresApparuerunt · 11/12/2022 15:18

Why are you trying to police what another poster can talk about?

Where did I say they couldn't talk about it? I'm asking why they've started five threads about height on MN specifically.

Because they want to? Because it matters to them?

I’ve probably replied to a few, is that ok?

what about people posting a few times on race, on gender? Is that ok?

underthemike · 11/12/2022 18:38

Thighlengthboots · 11/12/2022 09:40

I'm 5'10". Ive dated men shorter than me multiple times as I have no issue with it, never mentioned their height or anything but all I got in return were demands never to wear heels, constant comments on how tall I am for a woman, put downs etc.
Due to this, I will never date a short man ever again. I cant help my height any more than they can but I am not going to be criticized simply because it makes THEM uncomfortable to date a tall woman. I only date tall men now. I absolutely believe many short men have a massive chip on their shoulders.

Sadly this was my experience with my exh.

To be fair he got constant borderline abuse particularly from his private school mates - even though I meet them in their 20's.

The best man speech at our wedding the best man banged on and on about my ex's height. He was really upset (as I would have been) but my ex was definitely a bully to me in the way I've not experienced with taller men.

However very tall men do get picked on for fights by smaller guys - I've seen that happen to a gentle giant of a man who I recently dated. He was 6ft 4 and well built, but not tough at all, so I guess the short men thought he might be easy to knock out?

BlackeyedSusan · 11/12/2022 18:50

Fleurdecerisier · 10/12/2022 14:40

If it is indeed true then I'd be inclined to think they'd be less aggressive if people were less rude and cruel about their height and stopped telling them they have short man syndrome. Toxic feedback loop innit?

Same with fiery red heads.

Cuppasoupmonster · 11/12/2022 18:54

Conversely I find very tall men to actually be quite wimpish and passive!

Justanotherlurker · 11/12/2022 19:12

Manlets are world wide meme so it isn't really a ground breaking study.

No man or women who has witnessed the manlet will be questioning this study.

lieselotte · 11/12/2022 19:32

Fleurdecerisier · 10/12/2022 14:40

If it is indeed true then I'd be inclined to think they'd be less aggressive if people were less rude and cruel about their height and stopped telling them they have short man syndrome. Toxic feedback loop innit?

Exactly this. It is really annoying - you can do nothing about your height so it should be treated the same as sex, race, sexual orientation etc. Heightism is unpleasant and can be very damaging.

FloydPepper · 11/12/2022 20:29

Justanotherlurker · 11/12/2022 19:12

Manlets are world wide meme so it isn't really a ground breaking study.

No man or women who has witnessed the manlet will be questioning this study.

Manlet?

BringOnAutumn · 11/12/2022 20:35

FloydPepper · 11/12/2022 20:29

Manlet?

Ignore the troll. The only motivation for that post can be nastiness. Classic example of why shorter boys may grow up to be men who are sick of being picked on for something they have no control over.

Justanotherlurker · 11/12/2022 20:49

BringOnAutumn · 11/12/2022 20:35

Ignore the troll. The only motivation for that post can be nastiness. Classic example of why shorter boys may grow up to be men who are sick of being picked on for something they have no control over.

I'm not a troll, Manlet is a term that is widespread, it is admittedly shorthand and sexist, it is akin to Karen etc but for males. It has been a descpritor since the internet was borne.

FloydPepper · 11/12/2022 20:52

Justanotherlurker · 11/12/2022 20:49

I'm not a troll, Manlet is a term that is widespread, it is admittedly shorthand and sexist, it is akin to Karen etc but for males. It has been a descpritor since the internet was borne.

Karen is an attitude (not that it’s ok to use)

manlet sounds like it’s laughing at a physical attribute. Do you think it’s ok? Is it funny?

rumship · 11/12/2022 20:58

Justanotherlurker · 11/12/2022 20:49

I'm not a troll, Manlet is a term that is widespread, it is admittedly shorthand and sexist, it is akin to Karen etc but for males. It has been a descpritor since the internet was borne.

Pretty sure it was not around on BBS and irc. But then again everything you said so far is pretty low and incorrect 🙄

KimberleyClark · 11/12/2022 20:59

I’d never seen the term manlet before now. What a nasty term.

Justanotherlurker · 11/12/2022 21:04

Karen is an attitude (not that it’s ok to use)

Feel free to start a thread on that and see the responses.

(manlet sounds like it’s laughing at a physical attribute. Do you think it’s ok? Is it funny?

Shorthand for small man syndrome re Manlet is terminology that has been widely used for decades across the globe, it is in internet history of IRC , if you belive in Karen then you can't complian about Manlet, it has become a 'thing' that even men refer to it

FloydPepper · 11/12/2022 21:06

Justanotherlurker · 11/12/2022 21:04

Karen is an attitude (not that it’s ok to use)

Feel free to start a thread on that and see the responses.

(manlet sounds like it’s laughing at a physical attribute. Do you think it’s ok? Is it funny?

Shorthand for small man syndrome re Manlet is terminology that has been widely used for decades across the globe, it is in internet history of IRC , if you belive in Karen then you can't complian about Manlet, it has become a 'thing' that even men refer to it

Asking again
do you think it’s ok?
do you think it’s funny?

5128gap · 11/12/2022 21:09

Some men are aggressive. Saying that short men have special reasons for this (basically that it's women's fault for not dating them/not seeing them as manly compared to tall men) is just another excuse for male bad behaviour.
And no, short is not relative to the height of the woman they wish to date. Its relative to other men. So any man shorter than average is short.

rumship · 11/12/2022 21:11

is in internet history of IRC.

So it was not around on the birth of the internet as IRC was later on after BBS and Newsgroups, also strangely not something I've ever seen on IRC either, as it was not used in the same way as people use it now days. As others have said you seem a nasty piece of work.

BringOnAutumn · 11/12/2022 21:14

5128gap · 11/12/2022 21:09

Some men are aggressive. Saying that short men have special reasons for this (basically that it's women's fault for not dating them/not seeing them as manly compared to tall men) is just another excuse for male bad behaviour.
And no, short is not relative to the height of the woman they wish to date. Its relative to other men. So any man shorter than average is short.

Nobody is saying this.

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