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DD homeless abroad

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EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 18:44

Okay, I’m prepared to be told my daughter needs to toughen up and I’m getting too involved but I’ve had her on the phone in absolute bits.

My 18 year old DD moved to Canada 8 weeks ago, on a temporary travel visa. Got a job in a hotel with staff accommodation, just near the hotel. We were so, so proud of her and thought it was a brilliant opportunity. They really liked her during interview.

She hasn’t had the best luck of it, and got struck down with influenza a week in, requiring an A&E visit (she’s insured, thank god). She was first taken ill at work, having fainted, they allowed her to leave to seek medical attention but nobody offered her a lift. Not saying anybody owes her a lift, but I think it’s common decency. She had a week off, was pressured into returning whilst still ill. Unfortunately the virus has caused some long-term side effects for her, such as thyroid problems, and she’s been struggling.

Yesterday, she had a performance review. She has had no feedback previously, had no inclination that anything was wrong. The review was terrible. I have seen a screenshot of the written review she was presented with, these are direct quoted:

“X seems to lack basic social skills, struggling in interactions with guests. She is robotic. We suggest X seeks support for this and an assessment.” (This seems to be implying that my daughter has ASD or something? She certainly doesn’t! Has always had many friends and been fine in school and other customer facing jobs! ASD has never, ever been on anybody’s radar. How can they think it’s okay to say this in a work review?)

“X causes other staff members stress due to her incapabilities. Newer staff members are a lot more capable than X. X is a hindrance on every shift she is on.”

“X is always claiming to be ill, and has no concept of basic punctuality.”

Among other stuff. She was the told she was dismissed, and had to be out of the staff accommodation that night with nowhere else to go. She called me in absolute bits. Luckily she has savings and has gone to a hotel, but it’s in a very expensive area and hotel is £350 a night. She has about £2000 left. She is trying to find another job with staff accommodation last minute but if nothing comes up, she will have to book a flight home. I have told her that once her savings get down to below £1000, she needs to come home as we don’t have the means to send her money for an emergency flight back on once she can no longer afford the hotel. So likely she will be home in the next few days.

DD is devastated about the work review and feels it went too far, and that it was a character assassination. Maybe it isn’t the job for her, fair enough, but I think the comments are incredibly cruel and they should’ve given her more notice to sort out alternative accommodation. She spent so much money on this visa, and was so excited to go, and she is heartbroken. They don’t owe her a job and home, of course they don’t, but had they handled it differently she probably could have sorted out a new job with staff housing, as there is plenty of it in the town. I don’t know why I’m posting on AIBU as I expect to be told she’s an adult, isn’t owed anything etc etc but I am heartbroken. She has had mental health issues before and this was supposed to be the making of her, and her confidence has been destroyed.

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PacificallyRequested · 08/12/2022 19:04

PacificallyRequested · 08/12/2022 19:02

How did she get into Canada on a temporary visa without a return flight booked?

Sorry, what I mean is, does she already have a return flight booked for six months time? If so, call the airline and change it, as the cost of doing that will likely be less than booking a new flight.

EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 19:05

@picklespark

Maybe it is a cultural thing. Her British mate there got pulled up on that before. DD insists she’s never had feedback, and if she had she says she’d have worked on it.

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TheYearOfSmallThings · 08/12/2022 19:05

I think the best thing will be for her to come home - it doesn't sound as if she was ready for this step or is coping on her own.

MrsSkylerWhite · 08/12/2022 19:06

That’s one hell of a trip for a first job.
id be encouraging her to get back home, recover then maybe apply to European ski resorts in a few weeks. It’s late but I read that some destinations have the same problems with recruitment post Covid as the UK.

she needs to be home with her family for now.

CandlesBlanketsandTea · 08/12/2022 19:06

You've said she wants to stay but is stuck somewhere with no long term accommodation. What is her plan? Is she hoping you keep funding the hotel once she's run out of money?

greenhousegal · 08/12/2022 19:06

Sounds a bit overwhelming to me, but I'm not 18 and full of adventure anymore, but I was!

Get her out of that one horse town for starters. Get the shuttle to the nearest city, book cheap accommodation and get settled for a few days. The rest is up to her.

Otherwise she has to come home. What's the alternative? This is not the time to feel that moving on or moving home is defeatist, it is probably very sensible in the long run.

picklespark · 08/12/2022 19:07

EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 19:05

@picklespark

Maybe it is a cultural thing. Her British mate there got pulled up on that before. DD insists she’s never had feedback, and if she had she says she’d have worked on it.

I still think they were just prejudiced because she got ill. The fact they never gave her feedback about anything before this damning performance review makes that pretty clear. How convenient for them to come up with another reason. I'm sorry for her :(

EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 19:09

Yes I suppose an alternative is that she tries to arrange a cheaper flatshare in Calgary (nearest city). But she doesn’t particularly feel comfortable doing that, and I get it too be honest. She just wanted a nice 6 month long job in living in the mountains (where the hotel is) and making friends, having fun. Going to Calgary and scrimping and saving to get a flatshare and looking for another job there seems like a waste of what’s supposed to be a gap year to have fun before uni.

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RockAndRollerskate · 08/12/2022 19:10

Oh your poor daughter OP, sounds like she’s just had terrible luck. I don’t know how anyone could do that to an 18 year old so far from home bless her. You must be beside yourself!

Well done for her for sticking to it, perhaps if she came straight home she’d had lost all confidence. Hopefully she can get something sorted and get back on track.

Can you support her to get to a bigger city and find something?

Testina · 08/12/2022 19:11

“I expect a manager to have basic empathy for an 18 year old in a foregin country with no support system. He should’ve given her notice to sort alternative accommodation.”

It’s possible she’s been receiving basic empathy for the last 8 weeks, and had already been warned that if she didn’t improve the review would end her job and accommodation - thus giving a kind of notice.

You say the review was nothing like her in previous jobs - but you didn’t say (I think!) that she’d said the review was bullshit. Like I said in my previous post some parts were quite specific - and you know that she has struggled with her health after the flu.

I’m not saying this to trash the poor girl, she sounds unwell. I’m saying it because I really would be concerned that staying out there was the right thing to do. Some posters talk about the benefits of practising resilience… but she sounds really similar to my sister at work just before a break down. You can no more be “resilient” against some physical and MH issues than she could have been “resilient” not to have caught the flu! If she has a post viral illness causing her to be off ill and unable to get out of bed in time, then no amount of resilience will fix that.

GetOutOfMyVadge · 08/12/2022 19:12

Yes as above, she needs to get out of that town and to the city straight away. Why would she spend £350 a night on accommodation! That’s insane.

If she’s keen to stay she can find a cheap hostel, make some nice friends, ask around for opportunities. Find something on workaway.

She will be so full of regret and disappointment if she comes home now surely. What a fortune position to be 18, in an amazing country with £2k in the bank. Lots of life experience and pragmatism to be learned here.

She should visit the Labour Office to make a complaint about the employer. www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/services/labour-contact.html#offices

Quveas · 08/12/2022 19:12

EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 18:53

I’m sure those who know Canada will soon figure out the town. Plenty of jobs going, but those with accommodation have to be sorted months in advance. Hostel’s simply not an option, barely cheaper than a hotel and all booked up anyway.

I have been gently enouarging her to come home as as I say, she only has £2000 left and a flight will be expensive. It’ll be a nightmare of a flight for her though, with connections as she certainly can’t afford a last minute flight if she leaves it much longer. And the shuttle to the airport is about £100 in itself.

I'm fairly sure I know where she is, and my friend lives there or nearby. I hate to say this but Canada is a poor choice of destination - Canadian people can't get decent or long term jobs, and anything for "foreigners" is low pay, long hours and gruelling. My friend, in her 70s, went there at 18 years old, and her own children, born there, can't get anything other than seasonal work unless they are prepared to be servile. Canada isn't the destination of choice any more.

weaseley · 08/12/2022 19:13

I'm assuming she's in Banff. It will be cultural. Canadian customer service standards are really different. She probably could have ramped it up if she'd known but they didn't spell it out.

I'm in the Edmonton area, but there are lots and lots of places hiring. There's a workforce crisis. She will be able to find something if she still wants to, just not necessarily in the National Parks, which might have been the appeal really. I'm sorry this happened. She must be gutted.

SusiePevensie · 08/12/2022 19:13

Um. Sounds to me like they wanted her out because they don't want an ill person around. Only the can't say that so they say she's horrible. The workaways linked above, or ski town life sounds way way better.

SpicyFoodRocks · 08/12/2022 19:14

Your poor girl. 18 is still very young in my book. Well done to her for taking a risk.

I have no idea how this works. But I would be calling local resorts and ski places and asking about vacancies. Saying that my daughter didn’t have enough money to make all the calls and I was helping her with them. Then if something came up I would pay for her transport there. To give it one last shot.

Maybe that’s ridiculous, I don’t know.

User57632678 · 08/12/2022 19:14

I’ve stayed in a few HI Hostels in Canada and I believe they have quite a few all over the country. They were brilliant when I was travelling (2019/early 2020) so not too long ago. Clean, safe and full of other people also travelling. If she could get herself to her nearest one of those her accommodation in a dorm would be more like £30 per day in a dorm, £100-ish for a private room. May buy her a little more breathing space while she tries to find another job.

McBurgerTime · 08/12/2022 19:15

AnyFucker · 08/12/2022 18:53

She seems very young to me to be heading off to a new country in this manner.

New job, new culture, the pressures of living away from family, previous MH issues, no support around her.

What on earth were any of you thinking that this would have a good outcome ?

I did the same at 18 and was fine. More than fine. I loved it and it was the making of me. I'd have thought it was hilarious if my parents had tried to stop me though as a legal adult.

The situation she finds herself in now could have happened anywhere to anyone. It's just bad luck and hopefully her family can help her sort it out.

SpidaMama · 08/12/2022 19:15

This sounds mad to me. My son is 18 in a few days and I wouldn't dream of this. Maybe he is immature but I don't know. It seems alot. I really feel for her :(

Alaimo · 08/12/2022 19:16

Is she in Canmore/Banff/Lake Louise by any chance? If she's in that region she should be able to find hostel accommodation. There's a lovely hostel in Canmore (I stayed there earlier this year) which has beds for about $40/night. Book it for a week, hand out CVs wherever she can in Canmore & Banff, and if that doesn't lead to anytime she can still come home.

EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 19:17

@Testina.

I absolutely agree she is best off coming home, I’m worried sick.

I believe her that she’s not had adequate feedback or warning, she’s absolutely shellshocked.

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Mummieslncorporated · 08/12/2022 19:20

I'm not convinced she is best coming home. Surely that will knock her confidence far more than if she figures something out and makes it work?

Workaway is a great option. There's also a Facebook group called host a sister that might be able to come up with a short term solution for accommodation.

I hope you are giving her the information on here, so she can make a decision for herself at the right time, rather than being forced into coming home.

EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 19:20

Even her supervisors are horrified at the way she’s been treated, but they have no say.

I just want her home to be honest, her being physically ill changes things I think. She can’t cope with the stress. I think she reason she ended up with “Long Flu” in the first place was because she picked it up just a week after travelling. She had a nightmare getting there with cancelled flights, 2 layovers, had to start work the next day after arriving still jetlagged etc etc. So her body was stressed

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TheYearOfSmallThings · 08/12/2022 19:21

This sounds mad to me. My son is 18 in a few days and I wouldn't dream of this.

In fairness I was abroad working summers in hotels from when I was 17 and it was fine. However I always went with a group of friends, and if things had turned sour I would have headed home.

It sounds as if the OP's daughter has a lot going on and is not in great shape, so I think coming home and making a new plan would be wise.

EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 19:22

In a way I understand it’ll be a really good character building experience if she stays and sticks it out. But also, I don’t know if it’s worth it for a sake of what was supposed to be a 6 month gap year opportunity living in the mountains and having fun. If she goes to Calgary, can only afford a seedy flatshare, and gets a horrible job and has no friends or support system it will be crap for her.

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