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DD homeless abroad

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EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 18:44

Okay, I’m prepared to be told my daughter needs to toughen up and I’m getting too involved but I’ve had her on the phone in absolute bits.

My 18 year old DD moved to Canada 8 weeks ago, on a temporary travel visa. Got a job in a hotel with staff accommodation, just near the hotel. We were so, so proud of her and thought it was a brilliant opportunity. They really liked her during interview.

She hasn’t had the best luck of it, and got struck down with influenza a week in, requiring an A&E visit (she’s insured, thank god). She was first taken ill at work, having fainted, they allowed her to leave to seek medical attention but nobody offered her a lift. Not saying anybody owes her a lift, but I think it’s common decency. She had a week off, was pressured into returning whilst still ill. Unfortunately the virus has caused some long-term side effects for her, such as thyroid problems, and she’s been struggling.

Yesterday, she had a performance review. She has had no feedback previously, had no inclination that anything was wrong. The review was terrible. I have seen a screenshot of the written review she was presented with, these are direct quoted:

“X seems to lack basic social skills, struggling in interactions with guests. She is robotic. We suggest X seeks support for this and an assessment.” (This seems to be implying that my daughter has ASD or something? She certainly doesn’t! Has always had many friends and been fine in school and other customer facing jobs! ASD has never, ever been on anybody’s radar. How can they think it’s okay to say this in a work review?)

“X causes other staff members stress due to her incapabilities. Newer staff members are a lot more capable than X. X is a hindrance on every shift she is on.”

“X is always claiming to be ill, and has no concept of basic punctuality.”

Among other stuff. She was the told she was dismissed, and had to be out of the staff accommodation that night with nowhere else to go. She called me in absolute bits. Luckily she has savings and has gone to a hotel, but it’s in a very expensive area and hotel is £350 a night. She has about £2000 left. She is trying to find another job with staff accommodation last minute but if nothing comes up, she will have to book a flight home. I have told her that once her savings get down to below £1000, she needs to come home as we don’t have the means to send her money for an emergency flight back on once she can no longer afford the hotel. So likely she will be home in the next few days.

DD is devastated about the work review and feels it went too far, and that it was a character assassination. Maybe it isn’t the job for her, fair enough, but I think the comments are incredibly cruel and they should’ve given her more notice to sort out alternative accommodation. She spent so much money on this visa, and was so excited to go, and she is heartbroken. They don’t owe her a job and home, of course they don’t, but had they handled it differently she probably could have sorted out a new job with staff housing, as there is plenty of it in the town. I don’t know why I’m posting on AIBU as I expect to be told she’s an adult, isn’t owed anything etc etc but I am heartbroken. She has had mental health issues before and this was supposed to be the making of her, and her confidence has been destroyed.

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EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 20:22

She had so many plans, it’s such a shame. The place looks beautiful. She wanted
to go on hikes etc and was very excited to explore. And she hasn’t got the chance to do bloody any of it. Obviously yes she’d be working full-time but she still intended to use her days off to the fullest. She’s in Banff and will be coming home having not had one hike, without having visited anywhere like Lake Lousie etc. Those experiences are the whole reason people go to live/work in Banff. She hasn’t even had the chance to really explore the immediate town around her. I know there’s worse problems in life but we could never afford to take her abroad when she was younger, and she saved up for ages to do this with no family help and was just so excited.

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Justthisonce12 · 08/12/2022 20:24

EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 18:55

@AnyFucker.

She has friends that have done it, though they went to Australia. All alone, all having brilliant experiences. Most of the other staff at the hotel (except management) are British young adults. She’s 18 and wanted to go, what was I supposed to do other than encourage her to go for it?? It’s a visa designed for young people on gap years etc!

Australia can be just as bad, this isnt a unique situation

HangerLaneGyratorySystem · 08/12/2022 20:24

Thing is, we all agree the employer sounds like a nightmare, we all seem to agree your DD was brave to try all this so well done to her, and as someone said above its not a failure just a bit of a setback and she has money to get a ticket home.

So why doesn't she just come home for Christmas? I don't understand why you just keep repeating how outrageous the employer is - yes, we know that bit!

I wouldn't feed the drama OP, I'd be solely concerned with encouraging her to book a flight today.

EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 20:27

@HangerLaneGyratorySystem
Sorry for repeating myself, I’m just venting because I’m upset for her.

She originally WAS coming home, then a well-meaning mate out there gave her a “Don’t give up, stick it out or you’ll regret it forever” speech. It’s a sunk costs fallacy thing.

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SirVixofVixHall · 08/12/2022 20:27

AnyFucker · 08/12/2022 18:53

She seems very young to me to be heading off to a new country in this manner.

New job, new culture, the pressures of living away from family, previous MH issues, no support around her.

What on earth were any of you thinking that this would have a good outcome ?

I agree with AnyFucker
18 is really young for this. I think it is too young for all but the most robust and independent of teenagers, even then maybe too young. Also girls are particularly vulnerable in situations like this, it seems a crazy thing to do at 18.
I certainly do not think a teenage girl thousands of miles away, and having to stay in an emergency hotel should “toughen up” !! I think she should come straight home.

curlymacv · 08/12/2022 20:28

If she's very ill, sorry haven't read all replies, then probably best for her to come home?

If she's not however, if I were her I'd immediately be leaving the town to go to a bigger city to find a cheap hostel to stay in. Also, as someone else suggested, have a look at workaway - she'll probably be able to find someone to host her last minute. She'll get her accommodation covered, probably food too, and some even offer payment for the work.

Dittosaw · 08/12/2022 20:29

Canadians especially in hospitality are expected to be reallly smiley and positive all the time. It’s a culture shock. Also she is young. She just hasn’t hit the ground running yet. It sometimes takes a couple of jobs to grasp how to behave.

But… that was cruel. Really mean. Unprofessional. Your poor daughter. So unnecessary.

AlbertaAnnie · 08/12/2022 20:31

i was born in England but grew up in Canmore - it’s a beautiful place but very expensive! Calgary housing is also very pricey - best bed it trying hostels maybe looking further afield? Does she have a car?

SirenSays · 08/12/2022 20:32

I'm sorry for what she's going through but if she wants to stay I'd be telling her to get online and start asking for help inside the backpacker community. They'll have information on temp work, flat shares, ride shares etc. She needs to start looking for hostels, lots of them offer free accommodation in exchange for work.

TillyTheTeddy · 08/12/2022 20:32

I don't agree with the " get herself to a big town and found a new job and place to live" Come on - what are the practicalities of that?

NorthAngel · 08/12/2022 20:32

This is awful. My son is 18 and on a gap year. He also wants to work in Canada (Whistler or Banff) over the summer season before taking up his deferred place at university. We were in Canada for a holiday in the summer - flew to Vancouver and stayed in Whistler mostly with lots of trips around the Sea to Sky Highway. It’s a stunning area. He was adamant he wanted to work in Whistler over the summer and is currently working part time to save up for it. He is planning on sorting it all out after Christmas but this is really putting me off. It’s shocking the way your daughter has been treated. I’d be really having strong words with the manager. She is 18, miles away from home and has no other accommodation or family available nearby. It’s shocking. I’m not sure where she is or who she got the job through but please do something about this. Accommodation in British Columbia is expensive and she does need to return home. I’m devastated for and I don’t even know her! Could she not get something here (something like in the Lake District) until she goes to university?

EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 20:34

She spent well over £2000 getting there. Visa fees, a train trip to London to sort the visa (we’re in the north), a good health insurance policy (thank fuck for that, with hindsight) and then the flights. Then the flights were messed up by the airlines and she ended up having to fork out for 2 airport hotel stays for layovers and they wouldn’t compensate. So she’s gutted at the thought of coming home after spending so much money when she hasn’t got to do anything she wanted to do. She’s done literally nothing because she got ill immediately. She admits she’s not coping with the stress and it’s making her feel more ill but she can’t believe this has happened to her and doesn’t want to give up.

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ThirdTimeIsTheCharm · 08/12/2022 20:35

So she went there 8 weeks. Got sick after one week, then had a week off, and after this she went back to work, but being unwell, her work performance has been poor as she is struggling as she admits herself.
You can't be surprised she has been dismissed .

Is she in a ski resort type of town? Is that the reason she wants to stay there? IS she in Castle Mountain or similar? There are plenty of beautiful cities in Canada, she can move to another one instead of being stubborn on this one.
Jobs with accomodation are a precious rarity. She should try to find an aupair position.

CPL593H · 08/12/2022 20:37

She sounds intrepid and good for her, but things have changed and recovering from an illness that has really knocked her about is not the time to be accommodation and job hunting thousands of miles away, with a limited financial safety net and a high probability she will struggle at any job she does manage to get.

She needs to come home and I would enlist all means necessary to get her to do so. Could one or more of her close friends contact her and persuade her?

RSintes · 08/12/2022 20:37

Something similar happened to me when I was son my gap year in the States in a volunteering role years ago. Turned out it wasn't actually me that was the problem, it was they were being investigated for employing foreign students illegally without the correct documentation and they needed to be rid of me quickly. Could this possibly be a factor in your situation, given how lacking in professionalism they sound?

EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 20:38

@NorthAngel.

Your son will probably be okay and have a blast, I wouldn’t let it put you off. My DD just got unlucky getting poorly so quickly and having side effects. The other young staff at DD’s job, who’ve come from the UK/Australia all love it apparently, and DD’s 2 flatmates who she shared her accommodation are always off doing amazing things!

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cansu · 08/12/2022 20:38

I think she was too young to do this. I would not have been able to manage this aged 18. She needs to come home and get some work experience elsewhere.

momtoboys · 08/12/2022 20:38

EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 19:22

In a way I understand it’ll be a really good character building experience if she stays and sticks it out. But also, I don’t know if it’s worth it for a sake of what was supposed to be a 6 month gap year opportunity living in the mountains and having fun. If she goes to Calgary, can only afford a seedy flatshare, and gets a horrible job and has no friends or support system it will be crap for her.

The poor girl has had enough character building for one trip. I hope she comes home soon.

Winter789Mermaid · 08/12/2022 20:39

Poor thing brings back memories I had. It’s horrid getting sick when you’re away from home, she just needs a place to rest up for a week that’s cheap that maybe easier in a different location. Calgary has university are there any cheaper places to get a room. Then she can make a plan if feeling better by x date look for work or plan to come home and re-group. I only stuck it out for 10wks of a 6mth Canadian visa it was hard aged 19 alone. But looking back I learnt A lot of life lessons. It didn’t put me off travelling as a couple of years later spending year in NZ which suited me way more than Canada.

Canuckduck · 08/12/2022 20:39

She’s not well enough to work especially in the busiest ski and hospitality season of the year. Tell her to book a flight, she can choose a date and then enjoy the last few days / week exploring. Get a spot in a hostel and conserve the money.

Life’s not over, she can come home, get well and save up. She will even have time left on her visa if she wanted to try again in Canada or maybe try a ski resort in Europe.

kitcat15 · 08/12/2022 20:39

Could she look further afield…Canmore?…Jasper? ….I preferred Jasper to Banff….and Canmore is actually outside of the National park I think so will be cheaper but only a short bus ride away

museumum · 08/12/2022 20:41

I know you want her home but if it were me I’d stay. She has a chance to turn this around and find a different job somewhere with cheaper accommodation.

oakleaffy · 08/12/2022 20:42

''Based on what you’ve said, I wouldn’t dismiss the factual basis of the review (even if you disagree with how it was delivered) and would be very wary of her staying''

This.

Seems like it was all ''To much'' for whatever reason.

As her MH isn't good, and she was with British people, then I'd not risk her floundering out there all alone.

My son went to Canada {Whistler} on a Working visa, as a joiner, for a quality construction company and learned loads..Loved it, but even he said he got homesick, despite the gorgeousness of Canada.

He worked with Canadians, but lived in a shared house, as Whistler is terribly expensive otherwise.

Health insurance is an absolute must for anyone contemplating North America...He broke an ankle, but luckily at the end of the working year, so it didn't affect work.

JudyGemston · 08/12/2022 20:42

EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 18:53

I’m sure those who know Canada will soon figure out the town. Plenty of jobs going, but those with accommodation have to be sorted months in advance. Hostel’s simply not an option, barely cheaper than a hotel and all booked up anyway.

I have been gently enouarging her to come home as as I say, she only has £2000 left and a flight will be expensive. It’ll be a nightmare of a flight for her though, with connections as she certainly can’t afford a last minute flight if she leaves it much longer. And the shuttle to the airport is about £100 in itself.

Canada is a big country. Why does she need to stay in that town? Presumably she will need to get herself to a big city to even get an international flight home so why not go now to Montreal or Toronto or Quebec City and look for a job there? At the very least she will be able to find much much cheaper accommodation. Even if she’s going to come home it would be very foolish of her to waste her savings on a few nights in a hotel.

dollytot · 08/12/2022 20:43

In my experience dealing and working for a Canadian company, they like to look after their own. I think they perhaps couldn't handle the cultural differences of a British person working for them. I had a dreadful experience working for a Canadian language school when I was about 24. The boss completely bullied me out of the job because I was "different" to what he was used to.

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