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DD homeless abroad

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EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 18:44

Okay, I’m prepared to be told my daughter needs to toughen up and I’m getting too involved but I’ve had her on the phone in absolute bits.

My 18 year old DD moved to Canada 8 weeks ago, on a temporary travel visa. Got a job in a hotel with staff accommodation, just near the hotel. We were so, so proud of her and thought it was a brilliant opportunity. They really liked her during interview.

She hasn’t had the best luck of it, and got struck down with influenza a week in, requiring an A&E visit (she’s insured, thank god). She was first taken ill at work, having fainted, they allowed her to leave to seek medical attention but nobody offered her a lift. Not saying anybody owes her a lift, but I think it’s common decency. She had a week off, was pressured into returning whilst still ill. Unfortunately the virus has caused some long-term side effects for her, such as thyroid problems, and she’s been struggling.

Yesterday, she had a performance review. She has had no feedback previously, had no inclination that anything was wrong. The review was terrible. I have seen a screenshot of the written review she was presented with, these are direct quoted:

“X seems to lack basic social skills, struggling in interactions with guests. She is robotic. We suggest X seeks support for this and an assessment.” (This seems to be implying that my daughter has ASD or something? She certainly doesn’t! Has always had many friends and been fine in school and other customer facing jobs! ASD has never, ever been on anybody’s radar. How can they think it’s okay to say this in a work review?)

“X causes other staff members stress due to her incapabilities. Newer staff members are a lot more capable than X. X is a hindrance on every shift she is on.”

“X is always claiming to be ill, and has no concept of basic punctuality.”

Among other stuff. She was the told she was dismissed, and had to be out of the staff accommodation that night with nowhere else to go. She called me in absolute bits. Luckily she has savings and has gone to a hotel, but it’s in a very expensive area and hotel is £350 a night. She has about £2000 left. She is trying to find another job with staff accommodation last minute but if nothing comes up, she will have to book a flight home. I have told her that once her savings get down to below £1000, she needs to come home as we don’t have the means to send her money for an emergency flight back on once she can no longer afford the hotel. So likely she will be home in the next few days.

DD is devastated about the work review and feels it went too far, and that it was a character assassination. Maybe it isn’t the job for her, fair enough, but I think the comments are incredibly cruel and they should’ve given her more notice to sort out alternative accommodation. She spent so much money on this visa, and was so excited to go, and she is heartbroken. They don’t owe her a job and home, of course they don’t, but had they handled it differently she probably could have sorted out a new job with staff housing, as there is plenty of it in the town. I don’t know why I’m posting on AIBU as I expect to be told she’s an adult, isn’t owed anything etc etc but I am heartbroken. She has had mental health issues before and this was supposed to be the making of her, and her confidence has been destroyed.

OP posts:
TheBeachIsBack · 09/12/2022 21:13

@EmilioSoup

Firstly, I am one of those annoying people who is qualified to diagnose.

So many people think that they can make an amateur diagnosis of others and, frankly it is utter bollocks. I don’t diagnose without making a full assessment.

In future, if anyone tries to make an amateur diagnosis of anyone in person, say directly to them are you qualified to diagnose me?

Secondly, the current flu is vile. I’d had my flu jab and still got it. Now it has become gastric flu, I haven’t eaten for a week and I have developed an infection. I’m on antibiotics and my second week in bed.
My sympathies absolutely go out to your daughter. I have no doubt that her system has taken a battering.

Finally, your daughter needs to be at home now, be firm with her.
She is chasing good money after bad, when she is well she could do a lot with that money.
Tell her to come home where she can use the NHS, get some rest, enjoy Christmas and try something else in the new year.

Good luck ♥️

KAYMACK · 09/12/2022 21:29

I am very glad your daughter has money.

My advice would be to cut your losses and get your daughter home straight away.

Then, together, you can work out a plan what to do next. Find a job in the UK, for example, to make up the losses. Maybe post again here and ask people for recommendations of foreign jobs which might suit your daughter through personal knowledge of the person offering the job.

Both you and your daughter sound nice.

LocSeeTan · 09/12/2022 21:33

If the hotel have to re recruit staff from overseas to fill there vacancies, surely they could have placed her in a non customer facing role?
My guess is that they are envious of savvy confidt young wo.an who has the balls to fly across the Atlantic by herself at the age of 18.
Bullying at work is rife everywhere .
I think it has to so with unreal expectations as shown on social media.
Nannying would be a good call for your daughter.

leithreas · 09/12/2022 21:39

LocSeeTan · 09/12/2022 21:33

If the hotel have to re recruit staff from overseas to fill there vacancies, surely they could have placed her in a non customer facing role?
My guess is that they are envious of savvy confidt young wo.an who has the balls to fly across the Atlantic by herself at the age of 18.
Bullying at work is rife everywhere .
I think it has to so with unreal expectations as shown on social media.
Nannying would be a good call for your daughter.

Um, the OP already said that a lot of the other staff were young, British workers. Not everything is jealousy. It sounds like the OPs daughter was just a bad fit, whether that was because of illness or something else only the OPs daughter knows. Not everyone will thrive everywhere and that's ok but chalking it up to jealous haters and not learning from what happened won't benefit her dd in the long run.

bellabasset · 09/12/2022 21:48

@Unicorn1919 My ndn's ds is currently in Canada skiing. He decided not to go to uni as he didn't know what he wanted to do. He'd had regular work since 15, left college and went into work planning to travel this winter. He's been unable to get work as have friends so he's coming back in the New Year. There aren't the jobs there this year

I think that if OP's dd had been unwell in this country she might have gone home to recuperate. Far better that she comes home and gets well before going to uni.

EmilioSoup · 09/12/2022 21:52

She’s just boarded, so I’m off to get a few hours kip before the 2 hour slog to Heathrow. DH was going to go (he’s a much more confident driver) but came home from work exhausted so doesn’t seem fair. She’s excited to see us and her friends

OP posts:
Buteverythingsfine · 09/12/2022 22:05

Good news, pitch this to her as a rest and heal opportunity, lick her wounds, then get out there, she can take a job here or travel for the rest of the year. I would be devastated to get that job assessment as a 50 plus year old! A bit of mum and dad time, and encouragement to pick herself up again once she's better will go a long way.

Devora13 · 09/12/2022 22:15

@AnyFucker you're probably right.

DatasCat · 09/12/2022 22:20

OP, your DD is not the first to have bad experiences overseas, or unfair and harsh treatment in work. Many years ago I heard of a young woman who went travelling through rural India alone in the 1990s. She was young, inexperienced, and being red-haired, stuck out like the proverbial sore thumb; she was terrified for most of her journey. Another student picked up some nasty dysentery type bug while volunteering in India and had to come home. There’s no shame in it.

As for work, it’s a rite of passage to get badly treated in a temporary job when you’re younger, learn that the boss is sometimes wrong, and that it’s not always your fault or the end of the world when a job doesn’t work out. I was sacked (OK, didn’t pass probation) from a rubbishy little job at a college library in my twenties, after being the victim of a nasty bullying colleague, and my ‘charge sheet’ was, as with your DD, full of lies. I learned a lot about office politics, who to avoid and when to jump ship. Your DD will be just fine once she recovers and gets her confidence back.

Sep200024 · 09/12/2022 23:01

Gosh - I would have been beside myself in your shoes, OP.

So glad you will soon be getting her home.

Illness can’t be helped and that’s clearly the trigger here for a downward spiral of events.

Getting herself home is a triumph. She should be proud of herself.

naffusername · 10/12/2022 02:52

I'm Canadian. I'm thinking your daughter was either in Jasper or Banff?

There isn't a lot of places to live there and we actually encourage our children NOT to take seasonal jobs there because of the cost of housing and the cruddy conditions that many young people live in.

There's a reason these resort towns have to recruit overseas. They lure you in with the promise of accomadation, wages, skiing, and meeting people.

Hooverphobe · 10/12/2022 04:27

@LocSeeTan tell us you’ve never been to a Canadian ski resort without telling us.

jealous of an 18 year old English girl with flu indeed! 😂

marvellousmaple · 10/12/2022 04:37

So glad she is almost home @EmilioSoup . It is a terrifying situation. One of mine had a massive drama / brain snap before boarding a flight from Europe to England about 10 years ago, in the middle of his big overseas trip at 18. I had to go and collect him from England ( I'm in Australia!). I must say everyone was so lovely. The captain of the plane lent his personal mobile to my son so that he could call me, a lovely lady from the cabin crew stayed with him, (and gave him a cup of tea of course) until a vague relative of ours who'd never met him picked him up from Heathrow. I love the English.
He is now a very successful Economist earning probs more money than he should, living in an apartment that he is purchasing ( in Sydney - that's London prices) who has heaps of friends and a wonderful girlfriend.
So hang in there OP. It's a difficult time. I had never had a problem with this DC before so was completely shocked. He did have a couple of health check ups and reviews once he returned but was back to his old self within a month or so.
I don't think anyone but he and immediate family even remember it happened ( he's now 28yo).
Just put it down to one of those things and move on. I hope your family have a lovely Christmas!

Podgedodge · 10/12/2022 05:19

I really feel for both you and DD.
Its a tough time, encouraging them to try things, but also having to watch them struggle when things don’t work out.

Glad she’s coming home and that she always knew you were there for her.

Winter789Mermaid · 10/12/2022 07:02

Hope you can both have a big hug soon and after the jet lag has passed she’s enjoys a fun Xmas at home then regroups. I had similar experience when 19, but still went on to travel solo in my 20s.

Snowpixi · 10/12/2022 07:55

Work yes, accommodation at this point not a lot of options. As staff housing fills up at the beginning of the season. Maybe try smaller ski resorts but stay away from places like Whistler etc.

Snowpixi · 10/12/2022 08:02

I think her mate is right to tell he to stick it out.

she needs a plan of action - not to dwell but look seriously at her options. let her see if she can turn it around, the lessons she learns here and the experience gained will help create a foundation for her life going forward. If he does goes home she very May will regret that later in life, but if she gives herself a break, regourps and turns it around which she can do - at least she knows she can do it and if she still decides to leave after that, she knows she did her best.

What the supervisor wrote about the ASD is completely out of line but as an experienced hotel manager in Canadian ski resorts - younger employees can sound a bit robotic until they get comfortable in their position and this can take time.

Canadian companies can get ride if you on a hairpin if the employee hasn’t completed probation. This is an important life lesson for her.

she needs to regroup and look at her options asap.

Snowpixi · 10/12/2022 08:05

Lack of experience and maturity: it can feel really pressured and isolated when you are on your own abroad without loads of life experience.

TheSilentPicnic · 10/12/2022 10:59

Going home is far from giving up. Rather, it's a sign of maturity; she knows what she needs and is making that happen. Sensible young person. She must still be in shock. It'll be lovely to get her home and help her to recover.

rookiemere · 10/12/2022 11:50

TheSilentPicnic · 10/12/2022 10:59

Going home is far from giving up. Rather, it's a sign of maturity; she knows what she needs and is making that happen. Sensible young person. She must still be in shock. It'll be lovely to get her home and help her to recover.

Agreed.

Sometimes the grown up thing to do is to retreat and try again another day, but it's hard to realise this as for some reason blind perseverance is seen as such a great character trait.

To me resilience will be built through earning money in the UK and trying somewhere else later.

You see it in the threads sometimes. My BF/DP/DH does x, y and z but we've been together 10 years and I LOVE him. Sunk cost fallacy does seem to be a particularly modern malaise.

I think this will end up just fine. DD saved her own money to get there and managed to get herself back again when things went wrong because of her illness. I just hope it doesn't put her off Canada for good as it's such a wonderful country and the people I met seemed lovely.

BrizzleMaverick · 10/12/2022 20:25

Can she not book a week or two in a hostel in a city and either coach it or fly there?

This will then give her a chance to find other employment.

Sorted!

Testina · 10/12/2022 20:55

@BrizzleMaverick are you aware of the “see all” function? 😉

TheSilentPicnic · 10/12/2022 22:16

Tiggy321 · 09/12/2022 21:04

This whole “18 is really young to be doing this” comments is crazy! Your daughter has done an amazing thing and I would encourage her to stay and try to find something else. My 18 year old is off in Feb on his gap year to Asia for 6 months- no real plan, just travelling through 5 or 6 countries. I have encouraged it as what a great adventure! I did similar aged 18/19 too. Life lessons and all that.

Why would you encourage her to stay somewhere where she is homeless and jobless and without any prospect of her situation improving? And she is quite unwell. That would be madness. Sticking at something bullheadedly to prove some sort of point is ridiculous, it proves foolishness not resilience. Resilience is about knowing what support you need and being able to find it when you need it.

Iamgrootyesiam · 11/12/2022 08:42

Agree with this ⬆️

Goodgrief82 · 11/12/2022 08:50

All I’ll say is AS @Tiggy321
and you’ll see how her approach to teens is really playing out in RL

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