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DD homeless abroad

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EmilioSoup · 08/12/2022 18:44

Okay, I’m prepared to be told my daughter needs to toughen up and I’m getting too involved but I’ve had her on the phone in absolute bits.

My 18 year old DD moved to Canada 8 weeks ago, on a temporary travel visa. Got a job in a hotel with staff accommodation, just near the hotel. We were so, so proud of her and thought it was a brilliant opportunity. They really liked her during interview.

She hasn’t had the best luck of it, and got struck down with influenza a week in, requiring an A&E visit (she’s insured, thank god). She was first taken ill at work, having fainted, they allowed her to leave to seek medical attention but nobody offered her a lift. Not saying anybody owes her a lift, but I think it’s common decency. She had a week off, was pressured into returning whilst still ill. Unfortunately the virus has caused some long-term side effects for her, such as thyroid problems, and she’s been struggling.

Yesterday, she had a performance review. She has had no feedback previously, had no inclination that anything was wrong. The review was terrible. I have seen a screenshot of the written review she was presented with, these are direct quoted:

“X seems to lack basic social skills, struggling in interactions with guests. She is robotic. We suggest X seeks support for this and an assessment.” (This seems to be implying that my daughter has ASD or something? She certainly doesn’t! Has always had many friends and been fine in school and other customer facing jobs! ASD has never, ever been on anybody’s radar. How can they think it’s okay to say this in a work review?)

“X causes other staff members stress due to her incapabilities. Newer staff members are a lot more capable than X. X is a hindrance on every shift she is on.”

“X is always claiming to be ill, and has no concept of basic punctuality.”

Among other stuff. She was the told she was dismissed, and had to be out of the staff accommodation that night with nowhere else to go. She called me in absolute bits. Luckily she has savings and has gone to a hotel, but it’s in a very expensive area and hotel is £350 a night. She has about £2000 left. She is trying to find another job with staff accommodation last minute but if nothing comes up, she will have to book a flight home. I have told her that once her savings get down to below £1000, she needs to come home as we don’t have the means to send her money for an emergency flight back on once she can no longer afford the hotel. So likely she will be home in the next few days.

DD is devastated about the work review and feels it went too far, and that it was a character assassination. Maybe it isn’t the job for her, fair enough, but I think the comments are incredibly cruel and they should’ve given her more notice to sort out alternative accommodation. She spent so much money on this visa, and was so excited to go, and she is heartbroken. They don’t owe her a job and home, of course they don’t, but had they handled it differently she probably could have sorted out a new job with staff housing, as there is plenty of it in the town. I don’t know why I’m posting on AIBU as I expect to be told she’s an adult, isn’t owed anything etc etc but I am heartbroken. She has had mental health issues before and this was supposed to be the making of her, and her confidence has been destroyed.

OP posts:
Goodgrief82 · 09/12/2022 10:50

MRex · 09/12/2022 10:32

No medication was mentioned. It sounds unlikely that an 18 year old presenting with flu/cold symptoms would be given lithium or interferon, even more unlikely that they would then be told by a doctor that the illness rather than the medication had affected their thyroid, no?

Canada
influenza
a&e visit

trust me… she would have been chucked meds left right and Center

Delandra · 09/12/2022 11:08

I’ve just read your thread and I’m relieved that your dd is coming home. Totally agree that the employer is out of order for throwing her out of the accommodation without any notice. And completely disregarded her health problems.

I can understand that a hotel needs a full team and can’t carry people who are incapacitated but your description reads like they’ve blatantly ignored her health problems and re described her as lazy/incompetent/incapable in order to get rid and replace asap. I don’t know if this fits in with migrant worker exploitation but it maybe worth making some enquiries to the area’s local authority? A young person travelling thousands of miles alone left without accommodation at short notice leaves them vulnerable. The employer was aware of her health problems. Surely they have some duty of care to these young people?

SuperSuperCold · 09/12/2022 11:26

Hi OP

You must have been so worried and I'm pleased for you that your daughter has made the decision to come home if that's what you both want.

I just read the original post again and I'm wondering, once DD is home and recovered, if there is some learning from the job feedback to be had. Obviously feeling ill will compromise your ability to be completely on form, but the feedback includes lacking social skills, 'robotic' and not punctual. I'm wondering if there are things to learn in that? Even if we feel awful and are in hospital, we don't tend to come over robotic, or lose our general social skills. Being punctual also does not rely on feeling well. If her illness was a barrier to these things, what can she learn about how she could have managed this? Eg. With hindsight would she have been wise to have set up a meeting with the manager before returning to work after illness, to explain the impact the illness has had on her and might have when she returns to work, so the manager can support her.

Also - bit of a tip, but I wonder if your dd taking a CV round to pot washing and cleaning jobs in hostels was a bit overkill and why she didn't get any work? When I did this in New Zealand in my early twenties it was a case of knock on the door, ask 'hi, just wondered if you 've got any work available - cleaning, pot washing, bar staff, anything like that? In return for a bed for tonight? I've run out of cash and this would really help me out? I'm a hard worker and I don't mind the hours too much or what I do. etc....'. Social skills, a smile, a good work ethic, appearing keen are more important in this kind of situation than a nicely written CV with your GCSE results written on.

Salome61 · 09/12/2022 11:26

Great news, I hope she has a good journey back.

PacificallyRequested · 09/12/2022 12:23

rookiemere · 09/12/2022 09:56

Sadly it's probably the best outcome all round.

I wonder if it's worth checking out the price of the flights yourself, so you can point her at a good option.

It sounds like she is sleep deprived and not 100% well, so could end up spending all the rest of her money as she is so keen to get home, whereas it might be £100s cheaper to stay overnight at an airport hotel and catch tomorrow's flight for example.

100% agree with this. She's only 18 so it's to be expected that she's not very travel savvy but to just get on the airport shuttle without even having researched available flights is silly. Look at flights, pick an affordable one even if it's in a few days and there's bound to be cheap accommodation near the airport if needed.

Hooverphobe · 09/12/2022 12:44

I’ve stayed in the hostel in Banff and also a month in the LL one - nowhere NEAR $350/night. In fact LL was under $2000 for a month including lift pass. If she doesn’t fancy Calgary - what about Edmonton? Slower pace of life.

NorthAngel · 09/12/2022 13:03

Glad she is coming home. She will need to time to get over this and get herself strong and well again. You can track her flight on FlightRadar 24 if you’re like me and watch what is happening (my 18 year old went to Tenerife in the summer).
I think she should go back to her old job and save up a bit. Perhaps a month holiday in Whistler would be good for her?? And, then uni or whatever she has planned.

Coyoacan · 09/12/2022 13:38

If she doesn’t fancy Calgary - what about Edmonton? Slower pace of life

You're nuts. You don't move to a place like Edmonton in the middle of winter and it has a winter that lasts for about 8 months a year, with temperatures of minus 50 degrees. It is also an extremely ugly city.

Winter789Mermaid · 09/12/2022 13:45

Bless her I hope with some rest and recharge time at home and she will look back at the positives from her adventure knowing it wasn’t her fault she got sick and coping alone in a foreign country is really hard! Hope she can plan some more adventures for the spring & summer

Psychgrad · 09/12/2022 15:26

TheSilentPicnic · 09/12/2022 07:37

No, it won't "build her resilience". It is a myth that hardship breeds resilience. Hardship breeds vulnerability. Support breeds resilience.

Well I have been in a similar situation to the OP’s daughter and for me it did build resilience, confidence and has taught me how to be resourceful in many situations as an adult. I’m just giving my personal opinion on a thread where the poster asked for opinions, I’m entitled to mine and you’re entitled to yours. However, as I’ve been in a similar situation, the OP may find mine more useful. Just saying.

Goodgrief82 · 09/12/2022 15:26

Psychgrad · 09/12/2022 15:26

Well I have been in a similar situation to the OP’s daughter and for me it did build resilience, confidence and has taught me how to be resourceful in many situations as an adult. I’m just giving my personal opinion on a thread where the poster asked for opinions, I’m entitled to mine and you’re entitled to yours. However, as I’ve been in a similar situation, the OP may find mine more useful. Just saying.

Do you have children @Psychgrad ?

Goodgrief82 · 09/12/2022 15:31

And during these hard times when you were a teen @Psychgrad what was your relationship like with your parents and indeed now?

Coyoacan · 09/12/2022 15:34

A certain amount of hardship builds resilence, but that poor girl has been through the mill. We also have the saying that he who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day.

Psychgrad · 09/12/2022 15:34

No I wasn’t a teen but not far from it really, I didn’t have a great relationship with my parents, slightly better now that I’m older- if you must know! Anyway looks like the daughter is going back home so problem is resolved, you can go back to your life now @Goodgrief82.

Goodgrief82 · 09/12/2022 15:46

Psychgrad · 09/12/2022 15:34

No I wasn’t a teen but not far from it really, I didn’t have a great relationship with my parents, slightly better now that I’m older- if you must know! Anyway looks like the daughter is going back home so problem is resolved, you can go back to your life now @Goodgrief82.

What an odd post.

but it would be interesting to see how you parent teens if you do go on to have children, if you have the same “resilience, toughen up, stand up strong” to all your children, whoever their personality and whatever the situation.

for their sake, I hope not

Goodgrief82 · 09/12/2022 15:47

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2bazookas · 09/12/2022 15:51

An 18 yr old with MH and thyroid problems, no experience of hotel work, in a different winter climate and a strange country . Same language as UK, but different social manners expected in the hospitality trade.

Given her vulnerability, why didn't she try it out in Harrogate or Birmingham?

antelopevalley · 09/12/2022 16:01

I agree it was very harsh to tell an employee from abroad they were sacked and to love out the next day. But sadly it does not surprise me. People advise the exact same response all the time on here when people have a foreign nanny they are not happy with. Its always just chuck her out, she has a family who can look after her. So sadly this attitude is not uncommon.
I hope she is home with you soon and you all have a brilliant Christmas.

MadameMackenzie · 09/12/2022 16:04

HerRoyalNotness · 08/12/2022 18:50

Can she move to a ski town, there should be plenty of work for her to try and pick up? Definitely needs to love out of hotel per PP!

Not much of Canada is constantly covered in snow you know! 🙄 The west coast & mid-west only gets it about as much as us, if not less!

MeridaBrave · 09/12/2022 16:07

She could look on au pair world. At least with being an au pair don’t need to pay for accommodation. Although given the circs probably best to cut losses and come home. Being ill was unfortunate, being late was a stupid mistake. The world of work is different to being at school and sounds like she lacked maturity.

notanothertakeaway · 09/12/2022 16:08

I found cheap accommodation in Banff
www.hostelworld.com/s?q=Banff,Canada&country=Canada&city=Banff&type=city&id=4674&from=2022-12-10&to=2022-12-17&guests=1&page=1

And this
www.workaway.info/en/host/613659434345

But, 18 is young. If her big adventure hasn't worked out, she might be better coming home for some TLC

Psychgrad · 09/12/2022 16:16

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What you actually mean is you searched my posts, busy day at work today is it?

Tangled123 · 09/12/2022 16:16

I’m so sad for you daughter OP. Coming home early due to sickness at this time of year is really disappointing, especially since you can only get those working visas once and the hotel were so horrible to her. It’s absolutely the right decision in the circumstances though. Hopefully she’s able to pick herself up quickly.

notanothertakeaway · 09/12/2022 16:24

2bazookas · 09/12/2022 15:51

An 18 yr old with MH and thyroid problems, no experience of hotel work, in a different winter climate and a strange country . Same language as UK, but different social manners expected in the hospitality trade.

Given her vulnerability, why didn't she try it out in Harrogate or Birmingham?

@2bazookas

Yes, probably would have been easier to work in the UK, but it's a bit late to suggest that now...............

ArabellaScott · 09/12/2022 16:32

I'm glad she's coming home, OP. Sounds like the most sensible decision.

Sometimes 'resilience' means making that kind of decision. She needs to rest and recover, look after herself, be kind to herself, and confront the shitty behaviour of her employers - perhaps learn not to place her self worth in the hands of people who don't care about her?

Sometimes we learn a different lesson than the one we think we needed!

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