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Are women getting angrier?

233 replies

Bosebeau · 07/12/2022 08:52

The BBC have published an article about rising anger and stress levels in women…as if this is news!

Yes I am angry. I am angry that equality means I get out to go and have a job whilst still having to pick up most of the domestic work at home. I am angry that I pay most of the bills, but still have to be the one who organises Christmas, birthdays, the weekly food shop and even pull the damn blinds every morning.

I am angry that when I bring it up with my partner I am told “just tell me what you want me to do and I’ll do it”….you’re 40 fucking years old, the floor is dirty you shouldn’t need to be told to put the hoover round.

Im angry that the washing basket is overflowing with his clothes because they haven’t been washed in 5 weeks, but I’ve stopped doing his washing to see at what point he notices.

bloody hell BBC.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-63874001

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OMG12 · 07/12/2022 20:35

VinoDino · 07/12/2022 20:21

@GaggleOfSwans the alternative, that you are indeed a woman (assuming you know what one is) is really fucking depressing 😂.

Anyhoo, I'm off to get the help I need to deal with my self hatred and anger.

Maybe we should ask Dumbledore- I mean “help is always given at Hogwarts to those who ask for it” wrote some wise woman somewhere

GaggleOfSwans · 07/12/2022 20:41

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TruckerBarbie · 07/12/2022 20:43

I remember reading a year or two ago that female violence has tripled in the past decade, so it defo follows that women are getting angrier.

RosaGallica · 07/12/2022 20:45

What pisses me off is male violence and the fact that women’s equality has been taken over to mean more sex for men and sex work for women. We are prevented from doing so much because of men’s sexual gaze and aggression, and then they blame us for that too.

Random789 · 07/12/2022 20:50

I SO agree with you, OP. Especially regarding “just tell me what you want me to do and I’ll do it”…
I often feel massively consumingly furious these days.

VinoDino · 07/12/2022 20:51

@GaggleOfSwans many many women didn't and don't, appreciate the implications on what self ID actually means. They think it stops with men (usually) should be left to identify as women (what they perceive to be) however they please. Wear a dress, make up, heels and be left alone. As do I! I believe if I man wants to wear a dress leave him be. Be kind everyone!! Be inclusive!!

It now means however that they now have to be treated as literal women, be allowed wherever women are, go into women's prisons, take a place in a women's sports team, take a place in a rape support group where women, for whatever reason that they shouldn't have to explain, want to be with others with PURELY the same sex as them. Why are men's feelings prioritised over the above?

Many women are angry about this. Just because YOU aren't doesn't give you the right to insult anyone else.

And if you disagree with any of this you are a bigot, transphobic and apparently, according to you, are full of self hatred.

It's a belief system and no one has to sign up to it if they don't want to, like believing in God.

NO.

TruckerBarbie · 07/12/2022 20:51

RosaGallica · 07/12/2022 20:45

What pisses me off is male violence and the fact that women’s equality has been taken over to mean more sex for men and sex work for women. We are prevented from doing so much because of men’s sexual gaze and aggression, and then they blame us for that too.

This doesn't reflect the day to day reality I experience if I'm honest. I don't want to discredit other people's experiences, but I often wonder whether a lot of this comes from reading stuff on the internet.

GaggleOfSwans · 07/12/2022 20:54

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 07/12/2022 20:55

Im very happily married but I’m fucking furious about how far women’s rights are regressing

the very fact that the government, the NHS, the media and multiple private companies are happy to define women as ‘adult human females oh and men who say they feel like women’ is absolutely fucking disgraceful

if the definition of women also includes men then they are no more women’s rights at all

MrsTerryPratchett · 07/12/2022 20:57

Your opinion isn’t the standard or the norm and will die out soon enough like most racists and homophobes (since as usual it’s a view mostly held by older, white, women)

That's the second time today you've wished death on older women. Reported.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 07/12/2022 20:57

also 🤪🤪🤪🤪 at the idea that the general population agrees men are women - they don’t, and biology doesn’t give a fuck about men’s hurty feelings

Axolotlquestions · 07/12/2022 20:58

RunLolaRun102 · 07/12/2022 12:42

Birthdays are a huge bugbear in my house because I organise everything & then at the last minute DH gets ‘stressed out’ that I’ve done something wrong and makes me doublecheck everything again which paints me as ‘unreliable’ when actually that’s him. I’ve had enough of his gaslighting & next year will plan everything by myself and ignore him completely.

Or you could leave him.

VinoDino · 07/12/2022 20:59

@GaggleOfSwans I think it's sad you would prioritise men's feelings over women's lives experiences, but not surprised. Women have been subservient to males for years.

Yet to hear of any transmen wanting to take a place in men's sports, prisons etc. Funnily enough.

And I don't agree that the majority disagree, people are scared of being cancelled and labelled as transphobic for merely disagreeing, people are starting to wake up. Most people I've spoken to once the facts have been presented agree. No one looks at Eddie Izzard and thinks he's a literal female do they.

And we won't die out.

RosaGallica · 07/12/2022 20:59

TruckerBarbie · 07/12/2022 20:51

This doesn't reflect the day to day reality I experience if I'm honest. I don't want to discredit other people's experiences, but I often wonder whether a lot of this comes from reading stuff on the internet.

No, it comes from having first been assaulted when I was about 8 or so. Hearing comments like ‘get your tits out’ from the age of 10. Realising I would never be safe walking around on my own after the 4th or 5th time o got followed. Being told to go out and flirt to make sales or make the visiting males feel good. Aren’t you lucky it didn’t happen to you, but #MeToo shows that it is all too common. I personally don’t understand how some women have it so fortunate that they cannot believe in the violence of male apes tbh, given my history and the history of women around the globe and human history in general, although I am of course glad that some escape.

VinoDino · 07/12/2022 21:00

I'm 40. Does that make me old?!
I personally identify as a 21 year old millionaire but that's got me hee haw in life. Raging.

TruckerBarbie · 07/12/2022 21:04

In principle I disagree with self ID, pronouns, and all this nonsense but I'll admit I don't really give it much thought day to day as it's just not something you really encounter much in the real world. Most women seem too busy living their lives and I honestly don't think many would even be aware tbh if it wasn't for reading it on the web.

TruckerBarbie · 07/12/2022 21:10

RosaGallica · 07/12/2022 20:59

No, it comes from having first been assaulted when I was about 8 or so. Hearing comments like ‘get your tits out’ from the age of 10. Realising I would never be safe walking around on my own after the 4th or 5th time o got followed. Being told to go out and flirt to make sales or make the visiting males feel good. Aren’t you lucky it didn’t happen to you, but #MeToo shows that it is all too common. I personally don’t understand how some women have it so fortunate that they cannot believe in the violence of male apes tbh, given my history and the history of women around the globe and human history in general, although I am of course glad that some escape.

Well, I'm sorry to hear of your misfortune. However, I think a lot of women get a bit overcome by online hyperbole. In reality we're much less at risk statistically than men are when out and about. The main risks are being at home with your husband/partner.

VinoDino · 07/12/2022 21:12

TruckerBarbie · 07/12/2022 21:04

In principle I disagree with self ID, pronouns, and all this nonsense but I'll admit I don't really give it much thought day to day as it's just not something you really encounter much in the real world. Most women seem too busy living their lives and I honestly don't think many would even be aware tbh if it wasn't for reading it on the web.

Because you, and I, are in a position of privilege where it probably, hopefully, won't affect us.

Hopefully you'll never have to be in prison, where the majority are vulnerable and suffer from mental health issues and be placed with a penised male 'identifying' as a female (look up Karen White).

Or that you're raped and when attending your rape support group have to talk about your experiences with a male attendee present who looks and presents like a stereotypical male (he was a male readers) and doesn't say anything and when you raise this with the organisers say that the women's group is inclusive, despite there being a male and trans group available for said male.

Or a male with the physiological advantages that a male has over a woman taking up a space on a sport's team when they've got nowhere in the men's (Lia Thomas).

It's happening ladies. Certain spaces are based on sex for a reason. It's called safe guarding which goes out the window with self ID.

ghostyslovesheets · 07/12/2022 21:13

Define risk? Men don't get cat called, wolf whistled, forced to tolerate men spreading, 'accidental' touching, being followed - even unintentionally - men don't feel unsafe in public daily - every day

RosaGallica · 07/12/2022 21:13

Thank you for telling me what males I need to worry about. However I can spot loads who quite clearly think women are nothing but servants and sex objects quite easily every single time I walk outside.

comfortablyfrumpy · 07/12/2022 21:14

I'm bloody fuming, me Grin

OMG12 · 07/12/2022 21:15

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“Millions of women disagree with you….a minority voice…your opinion isn’t the standard or the norm…” oh dear you really have fallen hook line and sinker. You’re so wrong and getting more wrong by the day as more women are becoming educated about what activists are trying to do. And I would draw a distinction between people who actually feel the need to transition to the opposite sex and those people who are hijacking the issues facing genuine trans people (who need proper help and support) in order to push their own agenda to the detriment of women. The issues isn’t trans people it’s the violation, undermining and dehumanisation of women and the shutting down of their voices that’s the problem.

Terf, transphob etc are just meaningless hysterical cry’s these days no one is affected anymore.

TheKeatingFive · 07/12/2022 21:21

Millions of women certainly don't believe that men can change sex. 😂

I mean really Gaggle, engage that brain. People used to be ashamed of scientific illiteracy. What the hell happened to you that you're spouting this nonsense?

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 07/12/2022 21:24

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And now the 'Feminism Chat' board has tumbleweed blowing down the halls. They've all just migrated to sex and gender.

Great call (slow handclap).

TheKeatingFive · 07/12/2022 21:25

Great call (slow handclap).

😂