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To think that Adam White should have never been sent to prison and we're way too soft on career criminals!

230 replies

Unicornenthusiast · 30/11/2022 12:15

I watched 24 Hours in Police Custody on catch up. A father and husband, a completely law abiding tax payer was chasing after two career criminals who had tried to burgle his garage, where he kept thousands of £ worth of tools he needed for work.

Adam White and the two thugs were in an RTC, the thugs were injured and Adam was sentenced to 22 months in prison for GBH. He lost his life savings, his job and his wife had an abortion because she wouldn't have been able to support a new baby and their two existing children whilst he was in prison.

The two thugs received community service...

Here's a link to the full story www.lbc.co.uk/news/adam-white-24-hours-in-police-custody-backlash-fund-raised-crooks-avoid-jail/

Yes he probably shouldn't have chased after the thugs, but he didn't actually intend to harm anyone. Violent domestic abusers and career criminals seem to escape prison sentences all the time, yet a hardworking father had a custodial sentence to set an example.

I feel so sorry for Adam and his wife, especially since they had to make the heartbreaking decision to end her pregnancy due to all this.

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BoobsOnTheMoon · 30/11/2022 12:20

Well.... They were a pair of little scrotes.

But, he had absolutely no need to pursue them like he did. It wasn't about anything other than vengeance. They were fleeing, there was no risk to his family or his property once they'd fled. He should have called the police and the police SHOULD have dealt with said scrotes properly (whether they would is debatable but they should have).

No matter how law abiding he was previously or how vile the scrotes were or how useless the police are, we still can't have a society where people take the law into their own hands and mete out their own justice. It's not civilised. And before I get jumped on, neither is burglary, I know that, but it's not a race to the bottom here.

Hoppinggreen · 30/11/2022 12:22

It does seem unfair but what he did wasn’t self defence and he did cause them to crash

RightsHoarder · 30/11/2022 12:23

@BoobsOnTheMoon agree completely. As sorry as I feel for him, people can't just do that and get away with it.

Lockheart · 30/11/2022 12:25

So nothing of his was actually stolen, and he caused a dangerous car accident some time after the attempted burglary when the other two were no longer on his property or a risk to him and his family?

It sounds like the right course of action was taken.

AlfredBasedman · 30/11/2022 12:26

I agree OP. Decent people are being trod all over by scum while middle class liberal bedwetters bleat on about how letting criminals do what they want is a sign of a ‘civilised society’.

Henuinequest · 30/11/2022 12:26

He caused serious injury, the circumstances were taken into account which is why his sentence was light.
They attempted to break in, they weren't a threat to him or his family ans he chases them down,for what? revenge? sounds like this guy is as thuggish as the wannabe burglars and annoying that it is that we have scrotes who want to steal from others it would be chaos if people just started handing out their own punishments.
I grew up somewhere were the police were afraid to get involved and it was just a cycle of men beating each other up, violence and people handing out 'punishments' that they saw fit.

Cheesuswithallama · 30/11/2022 12:27

AlfredBasedman · 30/11/2022 12:26

I agree OP. Decent people are being trod all over by scum while middle class liberal bedwetters bleat on about how letting criminals do what they want is a sign of a ‘civilised society’.

No one bleats about that.
I am a victim of numerous burglaries and theft and even I agree with the judge on his sentence.

SlipperyLizard · 30/11/2022 12:27

“He probably shouldn’t have chased after the thugs”. Indeed, but he did and now has faced the consequences of making that stupid decision. Like Tony Martin, it is not ok to take the law into one’s own hands and exact vigilante “justice”.

Not only was he wrong/unreasonable in what he did, as a society we cannot simply say “oh, that’s understandable, they were scrotes” because if we excuse one vigilante we excuse them all, and then we’d be in a very bad place.

The police need more resources, that’s true, but somehow people keep electing exactly the type of government that won’t fund public services properly.

Lockheart · 30/11/2022 12:27

AlfredBasedman · 30/11/2022 12:26

I agree OP. Decent people are being trod all over by scum while middle class liberal bedwetters bleat on about how letting criminals do what they want is a sign of a ‘civilised society’.

No, the rule of law is a sign of a civilised society. Not people running each other over in the street.

Suedomin · 30/11/2022 12:27

Yes the criminals were wrong but he has no need to pursue them. You say he didn't intend to harm them what did he Iintend to do? He was driving dangerously chasing them why? He wasn't in danger and they attempted to steal his tools but didn't get them.
We can't allow vigilante justice.

MatildaTheCat · 30/11/2022 12:28

I feel extremely sorry for Adam and his wife. He didn’t set out with the intention of injuring them, he was acting purely on adrenaline. He could easily have been killed himself in the ensuing crash.

I was surprised he was found guilty and sent to prison given all the circumstances and was enraged that the actual criminals didn’t even get a custodial sentence‘because it would have been hard for them given their injuries.’

I wish the Whites well and hope their lives can be recovered.

Henuinequest · 30/11/2022 12:28

'Decent people are being trod all over by scum while middle class liberal bedwetters bleat on about how letting criminals do what they want is a sign of a ‘civilised society’

Oh, do one. I'm about as WC as you can get, so WC in fact I was surrounded by violence from have a go enforcers like this guy all of my child-hood. He got what he deserved. And now the thieves get a shot a compo from the insurance too.

abigailsnan · 30/11/2022 12:29

My heart goes out to the family they have lost everything whilst the dregs get community service then go on again to commit more break ins !!! totally wrong to jail Adam.

AlfredBasedman · 30/11/2022 12:29

Lockheart · 30/11/2022 12:27

No, the rule of law is a sign of a civilised society. Not people running each other over in the street.

How come the ‘rule of law’ only seems to apply when honest people are protecting themselves, but never to the drug addicted vermin that infringe on them?

Itwasntevenblackpudding · 30/11/2022 12:30

www.mumsnet.com/talk/telly_addicts/4687420-24-hours-in-police-custody

Lots more discussion here.

Lockheart · 30/11/2022 12:32

AlfredBasedman · 30/11/2022 12:29

How come the ‘rule of law’ only seems to apply when honest people are protecting themselves, but never to the drug addicted vermin that infringe on them?

Because you're reading the wrong newspapers and you don't take an interest in our legal system unless it's something you can wind yourself up about.

Many, many criminals get locked up each day for drugs, burglary, assault, and more. You just don't hear about them because the newspapers know it won't send you into an ignorant froth.

Threadkillacilla · 30/11/2022 12:34

I do feel sorry for the Whites but you can't get away from what he did. What was he chasing them for? He'd removed the threat to his family and belongings but carried on chasing to do what?
I really wouldn't want to be in that position.

ExtraOnions · 30/11/2022 12:35

The main thing at fault here is the criminal justice system. The two thieves have led a life of criminality, who were caught (again) after the accident .. and (yet again) were given a none-custodial sentence, which will have no impact on their behaviour.

They are unfettered in their criminality, by a police force that has the worst figures (nationally) for solving burglaries.. even if the police came out to this attempted burglary that’s is an 86% chance that nobody would have been arrested.

A beacon of this is that over £80k has be raised by the Go Fund Me for the lad convicted. I hope that, in some way it makes up for the baby they felt forced to abort, the loss of his freedom, and the families move to another area.

I still don’t understand why the CPS felt the need to prosecute, I don’t understand the sentence that the judge gave, and I hope the two thieves fail in their attempt to sue for compensation.

Wakeywake · 30/11/2022 12:35

The sentence is too harsh, but he had no business chasing them. I bet he wasn't planning on having a calm chat with them if he caught them. He was reckless, he could have died, he could have killed an innocent bystander.

AlfredBasedman · 30/11/2022 12:36

Lockheart · 30/11/2022 12:32

Because you're reading the wrong newspapers and you don't take an interest in our legal system unless it's something you can wind yourself up about.

Many, many criminals get locked up each day for drugs, burglary, assault, and more. You just don't hear about them because the newspapers know it won't send you into an ignorant froth.

They get out in five minutes, often after only serving time on remand. Britain has become a soft touch

FOJN · 30/11/2022 12:37

He's paid a very high price for what was no doubt a very impulsive decision. I do feel for him but the accident could have injured or killed innocent bystanders and I think the sentence reflects that.

I think the men who tried to break into his garage for off far too lightly. I'm coming to the conclusion that career criminals can't be rehabilitated and locking them up for longer is the best way of protecting everyone else from their criminal behaviour for the maximum length of time.

Lockheart · 30/11/2022 12:38

AlfredBasedman · 30/11/2022 12:36

They get out in five minutes, often after only serving time on remand. Britain has become a soft touch

What you mean is "Britain's legal system, police force and prison system are shockingly underfunded and under-resourced".

Unicornenthusiast · 30/11/2022 12:39

I'm not suggesting that there shouldn't have been some consequences for Adam White, he made a serious mistake and an error of judgement. I just think there seems to be

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Georgeskitchen · 30/11/2022 12:39

He shouldn't have even been charged. In some Amreican states you can claim a reward if a known criminal breaks into your house and you kill them.
Tired of listening to the bleeding hearts shite about the "rights" of these thugs.
In a town close to me some young thug was in court for GBH, ie: battered someone senseless, unprovoked, and has been "spared jail"
Why? What kind of message does that send out?

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 30/11/2022 12:39

FWIW OP I completely agree with you. They are scum. You’re wasting your breath here though. One of the defenders of these two scumbags was defending a paedophile the other day.